From philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk  Fri Oct  2 07:36:49 2009
From: philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk (Philip Kendall)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 08:36:49 +0100
Subject: [Developers] Spreadsheet loader question
Message-ID: <20091002073649.GC31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>

Hi.

Is there any way when using the spreadsheet loader I can persuade it to
create both a /book/book and a /book/book_edition and link them together
correctly?

I've tried something like

/type/object/name	/type/object/type	/book/book/editions:/type/object/name
Carnival of Tears	/book/book		Carnival of Tears

but that isn't doing the right thing as far as I can tell.

Thanks for any pointers :-)

Cheers,

Phil

-- 
  Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/

From jeff at metaweb.com  Fri Oct  2 21:11:23 2009
From: jeff at metaweb.com (Jeff Prucher)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:11:23 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Deleting type "Film Crew Role"
Message-ID: <57BA299E3F514E1495CD380016B40BC7@p4>

The type /film/film_crew_role has no instances and no properties, and is
completely redundant with anther type, /film/film_job (which does have
instances and a property). We'd like to delete the type Film Crew Role.  If,
for some reason, deleting this type will break anything for you, please let
us know.

https://bugs.freebase.com/browse/DA-950

Jeff Prucher
Type Librarian & Ontologist
Metaweb Technologies, Inc. 



From acallejas at appliedminds.com  Sat Oct  3 00:10:45 2009
From: acallejas at appliedminds.com (Augusto Callejas)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:10:45 -0700
Subject: [Developers] last modify time for object?
Message-ID: <7DD69E73-F167-4A9F-AB91-2C4B4D8B266E@appliedminds.com>

hi-

i know there is "/type/object/timestamp" for the creation time, but is  
there a property for the last modified time of an object.
i know i could do a "/type/link" query with reverse sorting to get the  
latest link, but perhaps there's a single property
with the last modified time?

thanks,
augusto.

From jg at metaweb.com  Sat Oct  3 03:06:54 2009
From: jg at metaweb.com (John Giannandrea)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:06:54 -0700
Subject: [Developers] last modify time for object?
In-Reply-To: <7DD69E73-F167-4A9F-AB91-2C4B4D8B266E@appliedminds.com>
References: <7DD69E73-F167-4A9F-AB91-2C4B4D8B266E@appliedminds.com>
Message-ID: <0DAD2F89-FAFE-473B-A05D-23034C9CA0B4@metaweb.com>


Augusto Callejas wrote:
> i know there is "/type/object/timestamp" for the creation time, but is
> there a property for the last modified time of an object.
> i know i could do a "/type/link" query with reverse sorting to get the
> latest link, but perhaps there's a single property
> with the last modified time?

unfortunately not, you need to look for a link with the latest  
timestamp, and even then you need to look for links both ways.
-jg


From viral.shah at metaweb.com  Tue Oct  6 23:04:47 2009
From: viral.shah at metaweb.com (Viral Shah)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:04:47 -0700
Subject: [Developers] latest quarterly data dumps available
Message-ID: <C04E789A-DE9B-4BB6-AB5A-25FDE9631955@metaweb.com>

Hello All --

The latest quarterly data dumps of all the facts in Freebase and our  
Wikipedia Extract, WEX are now available on download.freebase.com.

Thank you,
Viral

From alecf at metaweb.com  Tue Oct  6 23:05:36 2009
From: alecf at metaweb.com (Alec Flett)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:05:36 -0700
Subject: [Developers] freebase-python 1.0.3 release
Message-ID: <D8005FBF-7B16-4D50-88B6-104FCC8E85DA@metaweb.com>

Version 1.0.3 of the freebase python library has been released. In  
this version:

- dump_base is working again
- in load_base, the target domain is created automatically if it is a  
sub-namespace of the logged-in user's domain (thanks praveen)
- some unicode issues in mqlwrite are fixed
- slightly saner logging under the "freebase" logger rather than the  
root logger
- new 'application_name' settable on the MetawebSession which will get  
inserted into the user agent
- switch to form POST by default to account for long mqlread queries


Alec

From invite+kjdmupw1ddjm at facebookmail.com  Thu Oct  8 15:00:17 2009
From: invite+kjdmupw1ddjm at facebookmail.com (David Gonzales)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:00:17 -0700
Subject: [Developers] =?utf-8?q?Te_agregu=C3=A9_como_amigo_en_Facebook?=
Message-ID: <2687c07fb0e18b95fbe35534a2174df3@localhost.localdomain>

Hola, developers at freebase.com:

Hace tiempo te invit? a unirte a Facebook y me gustar?a recordarte que, cuando te registres, podremos comunicarnos, compartir fotos, organizar grupos y eventos, y mucho m?s.

Gracias,
David

Para registrarte en Facebook, sigue este enlace:
http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=741190360&k=32D4P5T4UT6G6BD1SFV6UTW2P6BAZX6EW3HP&r



Already have an account? Add this email address to your account http://www.facebook.com/n/?merge_accounts.php&i=741190360&k=32D4P5T4UT6G6BD1SFV6UTW2P6BAZX6EW3HP.developers at freebase.com ha sido invitado(a) a unirse a Facebook por David Gonzales. Si no quieres recibir este tipo de mensajes de Facebook, haz clic en el enlace siguiente para borrar tu nombre de la lista de personas suscritas.
http://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=e2eac2&u=100000249340683&mid=137fbafG5af31f56e30bG0G8
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From rfh at metaweb.com  Thu Oct  8 15:19:14 2009
From: rfh at metaweb.com (Reilly Hayes)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:19:14 -0700
Subject: [Developers]
 =?iso-8859-1?q?Te_agregu=E9_como_amigo_en_Facebook?=
In-Reply-To: <2687c07fb0e18b95fbe35534a2174df3@localhost.localdomain>
References: <2687c07fb0e18b95fbe35534a2174df3@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <246BF2FC-EA34-4000-AC6A-37804AC8882A@metaweb.com>


I'm sorry, you've got the wrong graph.  Freebase is about the concept  
graph, not the social graph.  Please come back when you've rewritten  
your bot army to understand this.

-r



On Oct 8, 2009, at 8:00 AM, David Gonzales wrote:

>
> facebook
>
> David Gonzales tiene:
> 159 amigos
> 2 fotos
> 0 notas
> 30 publicaciones en el muro
> 109 grupos
> Te agregu? como amigo en Facebook
>
> Hola, developers at freebase.com:
>
> Hace tiempo te invit? a unirte a Facebook y me gustar?a recordarte  
> que, cuando te registres, podremos comunicarnos, compartir fotos,  
> organizar grupos y eventos, y mucho m?s.
>
> Gracias,
> David
>
> Para registrarte en Facebook, sigue este enlace:
> http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=741190360&k=32D4P5T4UT6G6BD1SFV6UTW2P6BAZX6EW3HP&r
>
> Already have an account? Add this email address to your account here.
> developers at freebase.com ha sido invitado(a) a unirse a Facebook por  
> David Gonzales. Si no quieres recibir este tipo de mensajes de  
> Facebook, haz clic aqu? para borrar tu nombre de la lista de  
> personas suscritas.
> Las oficinas de Facebook est?n en 1601 S. California Ave., Palo  
> Alto, CA 94304.
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From al at metaweb.com  Thu Oct  8 19:28:44 2009
From: al at metaweb.com (Alexander Marks)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:28:44 -0700
Subject: [Developers] hulu data
Message-ID: <8E76B014-75D9-42BA-B24D-C3070F593E9C@metaweb.com>

In the next day or two I'll be switching on a new stream of video  
metadata from Hulu. You can see how this data will look on Sandbox  
right now: http://www.sandbox-freebase.com/view/tv/video

Here's an explore-view look at a Colbert report episode video:
http://www.sandbox-freebase.com/tools/explore/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000f4e4a70

The /tv/video schema is new for this purpose, and will probably go  
through some evolution in the coming weeks and months. Some of its  
notable properties:

  - video_of links to the relevant TV episode (or movie)
  - weblink is a direct link to where the video can be watched
  - expires is the date and time at which the video stops being  
available

Here's a query that shows how you might use this data in your  
applications (hint!):
http://tinyurl.com/yb8dev2

Let me know if you have any ideas or questions about this data or the  
video schema.

Al


From tfmorris at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 20:14:32 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:14:32 -0400
Subject: [Developers] __now__
Message-ID: <c5f3f16f0910081314s1a804656ic1a3b6a3cfbf9a88@mail.gmail.com>

Al's query includes:

  "expires>": "__now__",

which is new to me.  Is __now__ documented anywhere?  Are there any
other special meta-values like this that can be used in MQL queries?

Tom

From warren at metaweb.com  Thu Oct  8 20:18:46 2009
From: warren at metaweb.com (Warren Harris)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:18:46 -0700
Subject: [Developers] __now__
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0910081314s1a804656ic1a3b6a3cfbf9a88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c5f3f16f0910081314s1a804656ic1a3b6a3cfbf9a88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B558D3ED-F5DF-4FB6-B610-F71D33320115@metaweb.com>

The other one is __today__ consists of the year, month and day of the  
current date/time. I don't believe these are documented anywhere yet.

Warren


On Oct 8, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Tom Morris wrote:

> Al's query includes:
>
>  "expires>": "__now__",
>
> which is new to me.  Is __now__ documented anywhere?  Are there any
> other special meta-values like this that can be used in MQL queries?
>
> Tom
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers


From al at metaweb.com  Thu Oct  8 20:29:25 2009
From: al at metaweb.com (Alexander Marks)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:29:25 -0700
Subject: [Developers] [Data-modeling] hulu data
In-Reply-To: <8E76B014-75D9-42BA-B24D-C3070F593E9C@metaweb.com>
References: <8E76B014-75D9-42BA-B24D-C3070F593E9C@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <5FF14CFE-1AAE-4EFB-904C-BBE794AB28A2@metaweb.com>

Just a correction to the query I posted earlier in that tinyurl link  
-- you'll want to use:

    "expires": {
        "optional": "forbidden",
        "value<=":   "__now__"
    }

instead of

    "expires>":"__now__"

because some videos have no expiry date.

Al


On Oct 8, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Alexander Marks wrote:

> In the next day or two I'll be switching on a new stream of video
> metadata from Hulu. You can see how this data will look on Sandbox
> right now: http://www.sandbox-freebase.com/view/tv/video
>
> Here's an explore-view look at a Colbert report episode video:
> http://www.sandbox-freebase.com/tools/explore/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000f4e4a70
>
> The /tv/video schema is new for this purpose, and will probably go
> through some evolution in the coming weeks and months. Some of its
> notable properties:
>
>  - video_of links to the relevant TV episode (or movie)
>  - weblink is a direct link to where the video can be watched
>  - expires is the date and time at which the video stops being
> available
>
> Here's a query that shows how you might use this data in your
> applications (hint!):
> http://tinyurl.com/yb8dev2
>
> Let me know if you have any ideas or questions about this data or the
> video schema.
>
> Al
>
> _______________________________________________
> Data-modeling mailing list
> Data-modeling at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/data-modeling


From al at metaweb.com  Sat Oct 10 00:37:31 2009
From: al at metaweb.com (Alexander Marks)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:37:31 -0700
Subject: [Developers] [Data-modeling] hulu data
In-Reply-To: <8E76B014-75D9-42BA-B24D-C3070F593E9C@metaweb.com>
References: <8E76B014-75D9-42BA-B24D-C3070F593E9C@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <C24776D9-E089-450F-9CFD-28BFD27D039A@metaweb.com>

This is now running on OTG.

On Oct 8, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Alexander Marks wrote:

> In the next day or two I'll be switching on a new stream of video
> metadata from Hulu. You can see how this data will look on Sandbox
> right now: http://www.sandbox-freebase.com/view/tv/video
>
> Here's an explore-view look at a Colbert report episode video:
> http://www.sandbox-freebase.com/tools/explore/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000f4e4a70
>
> The /tv/video schema is new for this purpose, and will probably go
> through some evolution in the coming weeks and months. Some of its
> notable properties:
>
>  - video_of links to the relevant TV episode (or movie)
>  - weblink is a direct link to where the video can be watched
>  - expires is the date and time at which the video stops being
> available
>
> Here's a query that shows how you might use this data in your
> applications (hint!):
> http://tinyurl.com/yb8dev2
>
> Let me know if you have any ideas or questions about this data or the
> video schema.
>
> Al
>
> _______________________________________________
> Data-modeling mailing list
> Data-modeling at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/data-modeling


From iainsproat at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 06:55:42 2009
From: iainsproat at gmail.com (Iain Sproat)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:55:42 +0400
Subject: [Developers] __now__
In-Reply-To: <B558D3ED-F5DF-4FB6-B610-F71D33320115@metaweb.com>
References: <c5f3f16f0910081314s1a804656ic1a3b6a3cfbf9a88@mail.gmail.com>
	<B558D3ED-F5DF-4FB6-B610-F71D33320115@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <f70332fb0910092355r56cf95akb79bd460784216ae@mail.gmail.com>

Good spot Tom, this is extremely useful.  I'd been working around with
the javascript current time, but gives all sorts of issues with
unsynchronised times.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Warren Harris <warren at metaweb.com> wrote:
> The other one is __today__ consists of the year, month and day of the
> current date/time. I don't believe these are documented anywhere yet.

Could we get this documented?

Iain

From tfmorris at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 04:37:36 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:37:36 -0400
Subject: [Developers] MQL pattern matching arbitrary number of words?
Message-ID: <c5f3f16f0910132137o60985609n146a9b2de184c86b@mail.gmail.com>

I think I know the answer to this, but just to double check that I'm
not missing something, is there a way to match an arbitrary number of
words with the MQL pattern matching operator (~=)?

"the * end" will match "The Final End"
"the * * end" will match "The very tragic end"

Is there a single pattern which will match both (and any combination
of intervening words)?

Tom

From jg at metaweb.com  Wed Oct 14 04:50:56 2009
From: jg at metaweb.com (John Giannandrea)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:50:56 -0700
Subject: [Developers] MQL pattern matching arbitrary number of words?
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0910132137o60985609n146a9b2de184c86b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c5f3f16f0910132137o60985609n146a9b2de184c86b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27748BB8-1BD1-417B-8352-D5E953A14531@metaweb.com>


Tom Morris wrote:
> "the * end" will match "The Final End"
> "the * * end" will match "The very tragic end"
> Is there a single pattern which will match both (and any combination
> of intervening words)?

not directly, because ' * ' on its own matches one word.  But you  
could do something like this:

   "a:name~=": "^the ",
   "b:name~=": " end$",

-jg


From alecf at metaweb.com  Wed Oct 14 17:55:51 2009
From: alecf at metaweb.com (Alec Flett)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:55:51 -0700
Subject: [Developers] freebase-python 1.0.3 release
In-Reply-To: <D8005FBF-7B16-4D50-88B6-104FCC8E85DA@metaweb.com>
References: <D8005FBF-7B16-4D50-88B6-104FCC8E85DA@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <9A4D97ED-44C4-4902-8AE4-64B5D39B73E7@metaweb.com>

Sorry I totally forgot to include a few things in this release  
announcement:

The homepage is at http://code.google.com/p/freebase-python/

To install in a fresh python installation, you should just be able to  
type:
$ easy_install freebase
But if you already have an existing version of the freebase library, I  
suggest:

$ easy_install -U freebase
Which will give you the latest version, no matter what it is.

Also, for users who were getting 1.01 instead of 1.0.3, I've removed  
that from the Python Cheeseshop so that 1.0.3 could be considered the  
latest version.

Alec

On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Alec Flett wrote:

> Version 1.0.3 of the freebase python library has been released. In
> this version:
>
> - dump_base is working again
> - in load_base, the target domain is created automatically if it is a
> sub-namespace of the logged-in user's domain (thanks praveen)
> - some unicode issues in mqlwrite are fixed
> - slightly saner logging under the "freebase" logger rather than the
> root logger
> - new 'application_name' settable on the MetawebSession which will get
> inserted into the user agent
> - switch to form POST by default to account for long mqlread queries
>
>
> Alec
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers


From jack.alves at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 22:24:19 2009
From: jack.alves at gmail.com (Jack Alves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:24:19 -0700
Subject: [Developers] wildcard year in date
Message-ID: <554723b0910141524w9185de8ob449812daa5596b0@mail.gmail.com>

I have heard a feature is in the pipeline (and graph support is done) to
support querying dates with a wildcard for the year. Something like,

[{
  "date_of_birth":"*-06-11",
  "name":null,
 "type" : "/people/person"
}]

The above does not  work nor does "_06-11". Is the feature in MQL? I am
about to refresh a bunch of date data for each day of a year. Freebase has
some interesting topics going back at least a thousand years. I would rather
not make 365,000 queries. Any ideas? I have a python script to concatenate
data for each year. I've run a similar script before over 200 years and it
was pretty quick. So it isn't a big issue.

thanks


Jack
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From kochhar at metaweb.com  Thu Oct 15 03:21:59 2009
From: kochhar at metaweb.com (Shailesh Kochhar)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:51:59 +0530
Subject: [Developers] freebase-python 1.0.3 release
In-Reply-To: <9A4D97ED-44C4-4902-8AE4-64B5D39B73E7@metaweb.com>
References: <D8005FBF-7B16-4D50-88B6-104FCC8E85DA@metaweb.com>
	<9A4D97ED-44C4-4902-8AE4-64B5D39B73E7@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <4AD69557.4050407@metaweb.com>

Alec Flett wrote:
> Sorry I totally forgot to include a few things in this release  
> announcement:
> 
> The homepage is at http://code.google.com/p/freebase-python/
> 
> To install in a fresh python installation, you should just be able to  
> type:
> $ easy_install freebase
> But if you already have an existing version of the freebase library, I  
> suggest:
> 
> $ easy_install -U freebase
> Which will give you the latest version, no matter what it is.
> 
> Also, for users who were getting 1.01 instead of 1.0.3, I've removed  
> that from the Python Cheeseshop so that 1.0.3 could be considered the  
> latest version.
> 

Hi Alec,

Do we have an installable freebase-python package in our thirdparty svn repo?

   - Shailesh

From david at metaweb.com  Thu Oct 15 19:54:08 2009
From: david at metaweb.com (David Huynh)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:54:08 -0700
Subject: [Developers] pluralizing nouns
Message-ID: <4AD77DE0.2090201@metaweb.com>

Wanna pluralize English nouns? There's an app for that...

http://d1.plural.dfhuynh.user.dev.freebaseapps.com/pluralize?text=child&text=mouse&text=house&text=schema&text=lord%20of%20the%20flies 


Anglicized and classical plurals are both returned (e.g., schemas and 
schemata). You can also POST to it, one word per line. JSONP is also 
supported.

Here are type names pluralized as a test:
http://d1.plural.dfhuynh.user.dev.freebaseapps.com/test_type_names

Algorithm is adopted from
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/Plurals.html

David


From david at metaweb.com  Thu Oct 15 20:19:14 2009
From: david at metaweb.com (David Huynh)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:19:14 -0700
Subject: [Developers] pluralizing nouns
In-Reply-To: <4AD77DE0.2090201@metaweb.com>
References: <4AD77DE0.2090201@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <4AD783C2.3000006@metaweb.com>

FYI: added minor fixes and released at a shorter URL:
http://english-utilities.freebaseapps.com/pluralize?text=moose&text=salmon 
<http://english-utilities.freebaseapps.com/pluralize?text=moose&text=salmon>

David

On 10/15/2009 12:54 PM, David Huynh wrote:
> Wanna pluralize English nouns? There's an app for that...
>
> http://d1.plural.dfhuynh.user.dev.freebaseapps.com/pluralize?text=child&text=mouse&text=house&text=schema&text=lord%20of%20the%20flies
>
>
> Anglicized and classical plurals are both returned (e.g., schemas and
> schemata). You can also POST to it, one word per line. JSONP is also
> supported.
>
> Here are type names pluralized as a test:
> http://d1.plural.dfhuynh.user.dev.freebaseapps.com/test_type_names
>
> Algorithm is adopted from
> http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/Plurals.html
>
> David
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>    


From alecf at metaweb.com  Thu Oct 15 23:32:39 2009
From: alecf at metaweb.com (Alec Flett)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:32:39 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Flash and the Freebase API
In-Reply-To: <DD3DCD08-A05E-4499-A16D-C834FA4FB58E@metaweb.com>
References: <DD3DCD08-A05E-4499-A16D-C834FA4FB58E@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <E4A96B20-0020-489D-9953-82CB4F98E4C6@metaweb.com>

Ok, today is October 15th, and I haven't heard any big objections.

We're going to turn off access to crossdomain.xml in the next 48  
hours. Scream now if you're not ready.

Alec

On Sep 23, 2009, at 3:08 PM, Alec Flett wrote:

> Flash developers: Due to the odd way the Flash API manages domain
> security, we are changing the way that Flash can access the APIs at
> freebase.com. We have deployed a read-only version of the freebase
> service, freebaseread.com to address the problem. Flash developers
> need to start making freebase API calls through http://
> freebaseread.com rather than http://api.freebase.com
>
> On or after October 15th, we will remove the file 'crossdomain.xml'
> from api.freebase.com, effectively disabling Flash access to the APIs
> through that host. This ONLY affects flash applications. After this
> date, Flash applications will only be able to access Freebase APIs
> through freebaseread.com
>
> This file is now available at http://freebaseread.com/crossdomain.xml,
> which means you can update your flash applications to use the new
> domain today. This does mean that Flash applications cannot WRITE or
> UPLOAD to the freebase service using this new domain, and this is part
> of the security problem we are trying to fix.
>
> If this is a problem, please let us know - just drop me an e-mail and
> I'll be happy to discuss it.
>
> Alec
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers


From thimon at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 06:32:39 2009
From: thimon at gmail.com (Thimon)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:32:39 +0200
Subject: [Developers] Flash and the Freebase API
In-Reply-To: <E4A96B20-0020-489D-9953-82CB4F98E4C6@metaweb.com>
References: <DD3DCD08-A05E-4499-A16D-C834FA4FB58E@metaweb.com>
	<E4A96B20-0020-489D-9953-82CB4F98E4C6@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <f27f5ba80910152332w1ba24579j6b806e56776671c5@mail.gmail.com>

Ready up. Thanks you for posting this issue.

Thimon


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:32 AM, Alec Flett <alecf at metaweb.com> wrote:

> Ok, today is October 15th, and I haven't heard any big objections.
>
> We're going to turn off access to crossdomain.xml in the next 48
> hours. Scream now if you're not ready.
>
> Alec
>
> On Sep 23, 2009, at 3:08 PM, Alec Flett wrote:
>
> > Flash developers: Due to the odd way the Flash API manages domain
> > security, we are changing the way that Flash can access the APIs at
> > freebase.com. We have deployed a read-only version of the freebase
> > service, freebaseread.com to address the problem. Flash developers
> > need to start making freebase API calls through http://
> > freebaseread.com rather than http://api.freebase.com
> >
> > On or after October 15th, we will remove the file 'crossdomain.xml'
> > from api.freebase.com, effectively disabling Flash access to the APIs
> > through that host. This ONLY affects flash applications. After this
> > date, Flash applications will only be able to access Freebase APIs
> > through freebaseread.com
> >
> > This file is now available at http://freebaseread.com/crossdomain.xml,
> > which means you can update your flash applications to use the new
> > domain today. This does mean that Flash applications cannot WRITE or
> > UPLOAD to the freebase service using this new domain, and this is part
> > of the security problem we are trying to fix.
> >
> > If this is a problem, please let us know - just drop me an e-mail and
> > I'll be happy to discuss it.
> >
> > Alec
> > _______________________________________________
> > Developers mailing list
> > Developers at freebase.com
> > http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>
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From daepark at metaweb.com  Fri Oct 16 19:55:37 2009
From: daepark at metaweb.com (Dae Park)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:55:37 -0700
Subject: [Developers] freebase-suggest 1.0
Message-ID: <C891E146-1CA0-403B-BFDB-8AF92F95B46D@metaweb.com>

freebase-suggest 1.0 is now available. Please checkout the  
documentation for more customization options.

http://www.freebase.com/docs/suggest

The "notable:type" returned for each suggested item will be going away  
in favor of "n:type" which will now be a dictionary of id and name and  
calculated by the underlying suggest service. This change will go in  
affect once the new web client is pushed out into production (on  
Monday).

-dae







From philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk  Sun Oct 18 22:16:05 2009
From: philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk (Philip Kendall)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:16:05 +0100
Subject: [Developers] Who are you?
Message-ID: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>

My Acre hack of the week: find out which (Commons) domains you (or
anyone else[1]) have edited the most:

http://whoareyou.freebaseapps.com/

Cheers,

Phil

[1] unless that person is tfmorris, who's done so much editing it causes
the queries to time out... sorry, Tom :-p

-- 
  Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/

From tfmorris at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 23:21:15 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:21:15 -0400
Subject: [Developers] Who are you?
In-Reply-To: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
Message-ID: <c5f3f16f0910181621u37b87206lddea93314d16955b@mail.gmail.com>

Cool!

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Philip Kendall
<philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk> wrote:

> [1] unless that person is tfmorris, who's done so much editing it causes
> the queries to time out... sorry, Tom :-p

Must have been a temporary thing, because it generated a pie chart for
me.  Of course, the results aren't very interesting, because they
mostly reflect the hundreds of thousands of facts created for my bulk
upload for the National Register of Historic Places base.  I'll have
to see if I can tweak it to generate a more representative graph.

Does it ask for write authorization so that it can cache the computed
results?  (We really, REALLY need to get a better way for apps to
advertise why they're asking for write authorization.)

Tom

From spencerkelly86 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 00:55:35 2009
From: spencerkelly86 at gmail.com (Spencer Kelly)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:55:35 -0400
Subject: [Developers] Who are you?
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0910181621u37b87206lddea93314d16955b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com> 
	<c5f3f16f0910181621u37b87206lddea93314d16955b@mail.gmail.com>
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wicked phil~
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From stefano at metaweb.com  Mon Oct 19 01:14:19 2009
From: stefano at metaweb.com (Stefano Mazzocchi)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:14:19 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Authorization Dialogs (was Re:  Who are you?)
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0910181621u37b87206lddea93314d16955b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<c5f3f16f0910181621u37b87206lddea93314d16955b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ADBBD6B.2010901@metaweb.com>

Tom Morris wrote:
> Cool!
> 
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Philip Kendall
> <philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk> wrote:
> 
>> [1] unless that person is tfmorris, who's done so much editing it causes
>> the queries to time out... sorry, Tom :-p
> 
> Must have been a temporary thing, because it generated a pie chart for
> me.  Of course, the results aren't very interesting, because they
> mostly reflect the hundreds of thousands of facts created for my bulk
> upload for the National Register of Historic Places base.  I'll have
> to see if I can tweak it to generate a more representative graph.
> 
> Does it ask for write authorization so that it can cache the computed
> results?  

He would need it at the very least to know who you are.

> (We really, REALLY need to get a better way for apps to
> advertise why they're asking for write authorization.)

It's not write authorization, it's authorization to have the application 
act on your behalf against Freebase.

There is a security problem in letting the application influence what 
that dialog say... the app could make Freebase say "don't worry, I'm 
just need you sign in to know who you are"... and then write spam all 
over the place as you.

Don't get me wrong, I'm with you that the current usability experience 
is less than ideal as the current 'allow' dialogs are so widespread 
around acre apps that you just click them without thinking.... which is 
as security issue as well.

In Geographer, I've tried to write a workflow that didn't require the 
user to sign-in before understanding what the application would do.

This is possible because calling acre.freebase.get_user_info() will 
return user info if the user has valid oauth credentials or null if 
not... this can be used to distinguish the two states and make the app 
behave accordingly.

Unfortunately, very few acre apps go thru the trouble of doing that... 
either because app authors don't know how (and just learned from other 
apps that did the same) or they don't really feel this problem because 
once they are logged in, they don't see this dialog for a long time.

All this said, if you have explicit suggestions we're all ears.

-- 
Stefano Mazzocchi                              Application Catalyst
Metaweb Technologies, Inc.                      stefano at metaweb.com
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From jason at metaweb.com  Mon Oct 19 01:41:30 2009
From: jason at metaweb.com (Jason Douglas)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:41:30 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Authorization Dialogs (was Re:  Who are you?)
In-Reply-To: <4ADBBD6B.2010901@metaweb.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<c5f3f16f0910181621u37b87206lddea93314d16955b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ADBBD6B.2010901@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <FDD37426-5BD2-4486-A759-BBEBABEBDA3B@metaweb.com>

On Oct 18, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>
>
>> (We really, REALLY need to get a better way for apps to
>> advertise why they're asking for write authorization.)
>
> It's not write authorization, it's authorization to have the  
> application
> act on your behalf against Freebase.

I may be jumping in without enough context here, but it wouldn't be  
hard to write a dashboard app that users could login to in order to  
see what each app as written on their behalf since that's baked into  
the attribution node of every link.

-jason


From narphorium at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 03:21:44 2009
From: narphorium at gmail.com (Shawn Simister)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:21:44 -0400
Subject: [Developers] Who are you?
In-Reply-To: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
Message-ID: <4ADBDB48.5030104@gmail.com>

Great work Phil! and kudos to Tom for contributing more to Freebase that 
anyone is able to accurately calculate :-P

Philip Kendall wrote:
> My Acre hack of the week: find out which (Commons) domains you (or
> anyone else[1]) have edited the most:
>
> http://whoareyou.freebaseapps.com/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil
>
> [1] unless that person is tfmorris, who's done so much editing it causes
> the queries to time out... sorry, Tom :-p
>
>   


From tfmorris at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 05:09:38 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:09:38 -0400
Subject: [Developers] Who are you?
In-Reply-To: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
Message-ID: <c5f3f16f0910182209v8fc7e7dh20a14048631256d@mail.gmail.com>

Here's a variant that lets you exclude particular domains from the tally:

  http://whoareyou-copy.tfmorris.user.dev.freebaseapps.com/index?exclude=Location,Protected%20Places,Architecture

perhaps Phil will be able to roll the mod back into his app...

t.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Philip Kendall
<philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk> wrote:
> My Acre hack of the week: find out which (Commons) domains you (or
> anyone else[1]) have edited the most:
>
> http://whoareyou.freebaseapps.com/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil
>
> [1] unless that person is tfmorris, who's done so much editing it causes
> the queries to time out... sorry, Tom :-p
>
> --
> ?Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
> ?http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>

From iainsproat at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 05:18:09 2009
From: iainsproat at gmail.com (Iain Sproat)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:18:09 +0400
Subject: [Developers] Who are you?
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0910182209v8fc7e7dh20a14048631256d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<c5f3f16f0910182209v8fc7e7dh20a14048631256d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f70332fb0910182218y4ae66ad9o13ee4782e28f0a65@mail.gmail.com>

Nice work Phil.
I've got The Who song stuck in my head now!


On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Tom Morris <tfmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> Here's a variant that lets you exclude particular domains from the tally:
>
> ?http://whoareyou-copy.tfmorris.user.dev.freebaseapps.com/index?exclude=Location,Protected%20Places,Architecture
>
> perhaps Phil will be able to roll the mod back into his app...
>
> t.
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Philip Kendall
> <philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk> wrote:
>> My Acre hack of the week: find out which (Commons) domains you (or
>> anyone else[1]) have edited the most:
>>
>> http://whoareyou.freebaseapps.com/
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Phil
>>
>> [1] unless that person is tfmorris, who's done so much editing it causes
>> the queries to time out... sorry, Tom :-p
>>
>> --
>> ?Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
>> ?http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Developers mailing list
>> Developers at freebase.com
>> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>

From rictic at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 05:47:01 2009
From: rictic at gmail.com (Peter Burns)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:47:01 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Who are you?
In-Reply-To: <f70332fb0910182218y4ae66ad9o13ee4782e28f0a65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<c5f3f16f0910182209v8fc7e7dh20a14048631256d@mail.gmail.com>
	<f70332fb0910182218y4ae66ad9o13ee4782e28f0a65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <445A04A6-B3AB-4AD5-BBA4-421EA38B35FF@gmail.com>

This is really cool.

I found the 3d pie chart a bit difficult to read though, so I created  
a clone with a 2d pie chart and messed with the color scheme a bit.

http://whoareyou-copy.rictic.user.dev.freebaseapps.com/

A bar chart version would be nice too and might be even more readable  
but I couldn't convince the google charts api to display the x-axis  
legend in any useful way.

--Peter

On Oct 18, 2009, at 10:18 PM, Iain Sproat wrote:

> Nice work Phil.
> I've got The Who song stuck in my head now!
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Tom Morris <tfmorris at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>> Here's a variant that lets you exclude particular domains from the  
>> tally:
>>
>>  http://whoareyou-copy.tfmorris.user.dev.freebaseapps.com/index?exclude=Location,Protected%20Places,Architecture
>>
>> perhaps Phil will be able to roll the mod back into his app...
>>
>> t.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Philip Kendall
>> <philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk> wrote:
>>> My Acre hack of the week: find out which (Commons) domains you (or
>>> anyone else[1]) have edited the most:
>>>
>>> http://whoareyou.freebaseapps.com/
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>> [1] unless that person is tfmorris, who's done so much editing it  
>>> causes
>>> the queries to time out... sorry, Tom :-p
>>>
>>> --
>>>  Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
>>>  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Developers mailing list
>>> Developers at freebase.com
>>> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Developers mailing list
>> Developers at freebase.com
>> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers

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From philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk  Mon Oct 19 11:11:59 2009
From: philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk (Philip Kendall)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:11:59 +0100
Subject: [Developers] Authorization Dialogs (was Re:  Who are you?)
In-Reply-To: <4ADBBD6B.2010901@metaweb.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<c5f3f16f0910181621u37b87206lddea93314d16955b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ADBBD6B.2010901@metaweb.com>
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On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 06:14:19PM -0700, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> Tom Morris wrote:
> > 
> > Does it ask for write authorization so that it can cache the computed
> > results?  

Yes.

> He would need it at the very least to know who you are.

Honestly, that's more a nice side effect of having people logged in
rather than essential.

> > (We really, REALLY need to get a better way for apps to
> > advertise why they're asking for write authorization.)

[ ... ]

> Unfortunately, very few acre apps go thru the trouble of doing that... 
> either because app authors don't know how (and just learned from other 
> apps that did the same) or they don't really feel this problem because 
> once they are logged in, they don't see this dialog for a long time.

Or at least in this case, because the app author's lazy -- it's easier
just to make sure the user's done the oauth dance at the start, rather
than trying to get them to do it half way through when the page has
AJAXed itself all over the place and there's no URL for that state.

Cheers,

Phil

-- 
  Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/

From philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk  Mon Oct 19 11:13:10 2009
From: philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk (Philip Kendall)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:13:10 +0100
Subject: [Developers] Authorization Dialogs (was Re:  Who are you?)
In-Reply-To: <FDD37426-5BD2-4486-A759-BBEBABEBDA3B@metaweb.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<c5f3f16f0910181621u37b87206lddea93314d16955b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ADBBD6B.2010901@metaweb.com>
	<FDD37426-5BD2-4486-A759-BBEBABEBDA3B@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <20091019111310.GL31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 06:41:30PM -0700, Jason Douglas wrote:
> 
> I may be jumping in without enough context here, but it wouldn't be  
> hard to write a dashboard app that users could login to in order to  
> see what each app as written on their behalf since that's baked into  
> the attribution node of every link.

I think the hard bit there is displaying the information in a useful way
rather than extracting the links from the graph.

Cheers,

Phil

-- 
  Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/

From kirrily at metaweb.com  Mon Oct 19 17:01:04 2009
From: kirrily at metaweb.com (Kirrily Robert)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:01:04 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Who are you?
In-Reply-To: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
Message-ID: <A52CEEE2-C46B-4020-8121-9D92A105F9CF@metaweb.com>

Nice work, Phil!  I tried it for /user/robert and it has no labels...  
any idea why?

K.

On 18/10/2009, at 3:16 PM, Philip Kendall wrote:

> My Acre hack of the week: find out which (Commons) domains you (or
> anyone else[1]) have edited the most:
>
> http://whoareyou.freebaseapps.com/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil
>
> [1] unless that person is tfmorris, who's done so much editing it  
> causes
> the queries to time out... sorry, Tom :-p
>
> -- 
>  Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
>  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers

-- 
Kirrily Robert
Freebase Community Director
kirrily at metaweb.com




From jason at metaweb.com  Mon Oct 19 17:07:10 2009
From: jason at metaweb.com (Jason Douglas)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:07:10 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Authorization Dialogs (was Re:  Who are you?)
In-Reply-To: <20091019111310.GL31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<c5f3f16f0910181621u37b87206lddea93314d16955b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ADBBD6B.2010901@metaweb.com>
	<FDD37426-5BD2-4486-A759-BBEBABEBDA3B@metaweb.com>
	<20091019111310.GL31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
Message-ID: <5C44C351-E7BB-47FF-8B1F-6AE39F336B36@metaweb.com>

On Oct 19, 2009, at 4:13 AM, Philip Kendall wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 06:41:30PM -0700, Jason Douglas wrote:
>>
>> I may be jumping in without enough context here, but it wouldn't be
>> hard to write a dashboard app that users could login to in order to
>> see what each app as written on their behalf since that's baked into
>> the attribution node of every link.
>
> I think the hard bit there is displaying the information in a useful  
> way
> rather than extracting the links from the graph.

True.

Would "by domain of master_property" be useful?

-jason

From faye at metaweb.com  Mon Oct 19 18:10:47 2009
From: faye at metaweb.com (Faye Harris)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:10:47 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Who are you?
In-Reply-To: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
Message-ID: <4ADCABA7.60405@metaweb.com>

Very cool! If only the Freebase user page incorporated something like 
this...

-- Faye


Philip Kendall wrote:
> My Acre hack of the week: find out which (Commons) domains you (or
> anyone else[1]) have edited the most:
>
> http://whoareyou.freebaseapps.com/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil
>
> [1] unless that person is tfmorris, who's done so much editing it causes
> the queries to time out... sorry, Tom :-p
>
>   


From tfmorris at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 18:12:32 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:12:32 -0400
Subject: [Developers] Authorization Dialogs (was Re: Who are you?)
In-Reply-To: <FDD37426-5BD2-4486-A759-BBEBABEBDA3B@metaweb.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<c5f3f16f0910181621u37b87206lddea93314d16955b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ADBBD6B.2010901@metaweb.com>
	<FDD37426-5BD2-4486-A759-BBEBABEBDA3B@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <c5f3f16f0910191112k5a038a86n4ef936fb9335f607@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Jason Douglas <jason at metaweb.com> wrote:
> On Oct 18, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>>
>>
>>> (We really, REALLY need to get a better way for apps to
>>> advertise why they're asking for write authorization.)
>>
>> It's not write authorization, it's authorization to have the
>> application
>> act on your behalf against Freebase.

And other than writing, Freebase requires authentication for what, exactly?

> I may be jumping in without enough context here, but it wouldn't be
> hard to write a dashboard app that users could login to in order to
> see what each app as written on their behalf since that's baked into
> the attribution node of every link.

I started to generalize the query in my genderizer-check app to do
this, but then I realized it's really just a minor tweak on the user
history page that's already built into the Freebase.com client.  As
other clients become more popular, it needs to be enhanced to do
things like filter by client app id.

Tom

From jeff at metaweb.com  Mon Oct 19 18:26:29 2009
From: jeff at metaweb.com (Jeff Prucher)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:26:29 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Who are you?
In-Reply-To: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
Message-ID: <FE1663F88378498FBB15C2B37AE0F22C@p4>

It's interesting to see where our merge issues have been, also. (I can't
seem to get any results for delete_bot.)

http://whoareyou.freebaseapps.com/?user=%2Fuser%2Fmerge_bot 

Jeff

> -----Original Message-----
> From: developers-bounces at freebase.com 
> [mailto:developers-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf Of Philip Kendall
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 3:16 PM
> To: Freebase Developers
> Subject: [Developers] Who are you?
> 
> My Acre hack of the week: find out which (Commons) domains 
> you (or anyone else[1]) have edited the most:
> 
> http://whoareyou.freebaseapps.com/
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Phil
> 
> [1] unless that person is tfmorris, who's done so much 
> editing it causes the queries to time out... sorry, Tom :-p
> 
> --
>   Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
>   http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
> 


From tfmorris at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 18:33:25 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:33:25 -0400
Subject: [Developers] Who are you?
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0910181621u37b87206lddea93314d16955b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<c5f3f16f0910181621u37b87206lddea93314d16955b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c5f3f16f0910191133w2cc7e74ej13d857b620a4c2f1@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Tom Morris <tfmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Philip Kendall
> <philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> [1] unless that person is tfmorris, who's done so much editing it causes
>> the queries to time out... sorry, Tom :-p
>
> Must have been a temporary thing, because it generated a pie chart for
> me.

Oops.  Some of the queries timed out today when I refreshed it (bad
idea), so now it's got a partial/corrupt set of results cached.  It
should probably only update the cache if all queries succeed.

Tom

From stefano at metaweb.com  Mon Oct 19 18:48:12 2009
From: stefano at metaweb.com (Stefano Mazzocchi)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:48:12 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Authorization Dialogs (was Re: Who are you?)
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0910191112k5a038a86n4ef936fb9335f607@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>	<c5f3f16f0910181621u37b87206lddea93314d16955b@mail.gmail.com>	<4ADBBD6B.2010901@metaweb.com>	<FDD37426-5BD2-4486-A759-BBEBABEBDA3B@metaweb.com>
	<c5f3f16f0910191112k5a038a86n4ef936fb9335f607@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ADCB46C.3090206@metaweb.com>

Tom Morris wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Jason Douglas <jason at metaweb.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 18, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>>>
>>>> (We really, REALLY need to get a better way for apps to
>>>> advertise why they're asking for write authorization.)
>>> It's not write authorization, it's authorization to have the
>>> application
>>> act on your behalf against Freebase.
> 
> And other than writing, Freebase requires authentication for what, exactly?

acre.freebase.get_user_info()

-- 
Stefano Mazzocchi                              Application Catalyst
Metaweb Technologies, Inc.                      stefano at metaweb.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------


From philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk  Mon Oct 19 19:47:24 2009
From: philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk (Philip Kendall)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:47:24 +0100
Subject: [Developers] Who are you?
In-Reply-To: <A52CEEE2-C46B-4020-8121-9D92A105F9CF@metaweb.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<A52CEEE2-C46B-4020-8121-9D92A105F9CF@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <20091019194724.GM31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:01:04AM -0700, Kirrily Robert wrote:
> Nice work, Phil!  I tried it for /user/robert and it has no labels...  
> any idea why?

"Food & Drink". Stupid ampersand :-)

Cheers,

Phil

-- 
  Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/

From philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk  Mon Oct 19 19:51:36 2009
From: philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk (Philip Kendall)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:51:36 +0100
Subject: [Developers] Who are you?
In-Reply-To: <FE1663F88378498FBB15C2B37AE0F22C@p4>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<FE1663F88378498FBB15C2B37AE0F22C@p4>
Message-ID: <20091019195136.GN31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:26:29AM -0700, Jeff Prucher wrote:
> It's interesting to see where our merge issues have been, also. (I can't
> seem to get any results for delete_bot.)

The app (implicitly) looks only for valid: true links which is certainly
going to mean that anything you get for delete_bot isn't going to be
representative of what it's been doing, if you get anything at all.

Easy to change, but may well exacerbate any timeout issues.

Cheers,

Phil

-- 
  Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/

From philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk  Tue Oct 20 15:52:49 2009
From: philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk (Philip Kendall)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:52:49 +0100
Subject: [Developers] Authorization Dialogs (was Re:  Who are you?)
In-Reply-To: <5C44C351-E7BB-47FF-8B1F-6AE39F336B36@metaweb.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<c5f3f16f0910181621u37b87206lddea93314d16955b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ADBBD6B.2010901@metaweb.com>
	<FDD37426-5BD2-4486-A759-BBEBABEBDA3B@metaweb.com>
	<20091019111310.GL31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<5C44C351-E7BB-47FF-8B1F-6AE39F336B36@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <20091020155249.GO31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:07:10AM -0700, Jason Douglas wrote:
> On Oct 19, 2009, at 4:13 AM, Philip Kendall wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 06:41:30PM -0700, Jason Douglas wrote:
> >>
> >> I may be jumping in without enough context here, but it wouldn't be
> >> hard to write a dashboard app that users could login to in order to
> >> see what each app as written on their behalf since that's baked into
> >> the attribution node of every link.
> >
> > I think the hard bit there is displaying the information in a useful  
> > way
> > rather than extracting the links from the graph.
> 
> True.
> 
> Would "by domain of master_property" be useful?

Dunno :-)

http://workingforme.pak21.user.dev.freebaseapps.com/?user=/user/jdouglas

Obviously, a complete lack of UI there at present, but it's something to
run with if anyone feels like it.

Cheers,

Phil

-- 
  Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/

From jason at metaweb.com  Tue Oct 20 17:26:24 2009
From: jason at metaweb.com (Jason Douglas)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:26:24 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Authorization Dialogs (was Re:  Who are you?)
In-Reply-To: <20091020155249.GO31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<c5f3f16f0910181621u37b87206lddea93314d16955b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ADBBD6B.2010901@metaweb.com>
	<FDD37426-5BD2-4486-A759-BBEBABEBDA3B@metaweb.com>
	<20091019111310.GL31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<5C44C351-E7BB-47FF-8B1F-6AE39F336B36@metaweb.com>
	<20091020155249.GO31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
Message-ID: <792AED0D-7B30-45D7-A6A3-2FD4EF146E06@metaweb.com>

On Oct 20, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Philip Kendall wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:07:10AM -0700, Jason Douglas wrote:
>> On Oct 19, 2009, at 4:13 AM, Philip Kendall wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 06:41:30PM -0700, Jason Douglas wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I may be jumping in without enough context here, but it wouldn't be
>>>> hard to write a dashboard app that users could login to in order to
>>>> see what each app as written on their behalf since that's baked  
>>>> into
>>>> the attribution node of every link.
>>>
>>> I think the hard bit there is displaying the information in a useful
>>> way
>>> rather than extracting the links from the graph.
>>
>> True.
>>
>> Would "by domain of master_property" be useful?
>
> Dunno :-)
>
> http://workingforme.pak21.user.dev.freebaseapps.com/?user=/user/jdouglas
>
> Obviously, a complete lack of UI there at present, but it's  
> something to
> run with if anyone feels like it.


I think that has a lot of promise... the obvious issue is that /type/ 
object/type links shows up as "Metaweb System Types"  when you'd  
probably want to count them by the domain of the type being asserted.   
If I have time tomorrow, I may try that.  At the very least, it would  
make the activity under Typewriter a lot more interesting.  :-)

-jason


From spencerkelly86 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 19:13:30 2009
From: spencerkelly86 at gmail.com (Spencer Kelly)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:13:30 -0400
Subject: [Developers] New "official website" property on /common/topic
In-Reply-To: <db945ac40909301338r5a8a6506h5d34abd352c09d0c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ABAA72C.4070600@metaweb.com> <4ABB8392.4080808@metaweb.com> 
	<db945ac40909241128r79b62e9au8e737d1620c5744e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<DC7DD3FC284A46109E9CCCD70145013A@amd>
	<db945ac40909291052k41d730f7ud95a171fa07dba98@mail.gmail.com> 
	<b233947a0909291056v7df73c19r7dd4a1260efa059@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AEEF7A0032974EDEA4B836F08D2AF18E@amd>
	<554723b0909300922w220d236axbb67fc2cb9a83054@mail.gmail.com> 
	<b233947a0909301022h6e9ea9efha740582bf44024ea@mail.gmail.com> 
	<db945ac40909301338r5a8a6506h5d34abd352c09d0c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <db945ac40910201213y58d0b37ak808f30d3883507a0@mail.gmail.com>

i'm gonna go ahead filling the ad-hoc Official website
owner<http://www.freebase.com/type/schema/base/websites/website?domain=%2Fbase%2Fwebsites>for
now.

    hey, anyone know an acre-happy imdb api?

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Spencer Kelly <spencerkelly86 at gmail.com>wrote:

> by 'official', one i think, means 'operates the domain name', and
> something that represents identity (deserves a 'owl:sameas').
>
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From tfmorris at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 20:22:44 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:22:44 -0400
Subject: [Developers] New "official website" property on /common/topic
In-Reply-To: <db945ac40910201213y58d0b37ak808f30d3883507a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ABAA72C.4070600@metaweb.com>
	<db945ac40909241128r79b62e9au8e737d1620c5744e@mail.gmail.com>
	<DC7DD3FC284A46109E9CCCD70145013A@amd>
	<db945ac40909291052k41d730f7ud95a171fa07dba98@mail.gmail.com>
	<b233947a0909291056v7df73c19r7dd4a1260efa059@mail.gmail.com>
	<AEEF7A0032974EDEA4B836F08D2AF18E@amd>
	<554723b0909300922w220d236axbb67fc2cb9a83054@mail.gmail.com>
	<b233947a0909301022h6e9ea9efha740582bf44024ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<db945ac40909301338r5a8a6506h5d34abd352c09d0c@mail.gmail.com>
	<db945ac40910201213y58d0b37ak808f30d3883507a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c5f3f16f0910201322w43d6a709k8668fa72f7e2394d@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Spencer Kelly <spencerkelly86 at gmail.com> wrote:
> i'm gonna go ahead filling the ad-hoc Official website owner for now.
>
> ??? hey, anyone know an acre-happy imdb api?

Unless Metaweb has purchased a commercial license, I don't think the
IMBD data is available.

http://www.imdb.com/licensing/

Tom

From rfh at metaweb.com  Wed Oct 21 04:12:05 2009
From: rfh at metaweb.com (Reilly Hayes)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:12:05 -0700
Subject: [Developers] New "official website" property on /common/topic
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0910201322w43d6a709k8668fa72f7e2394d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ABAA72C.4070600@metaweb.com>
	<db945ac40909241128r79b62e9au8e737d1620c5744e@mail.gmail.com>
	<DC7DD3FC284A46109E9CCCD70145013A@amd>
	<db945ac40909291052k41d730f7ud95a171fa07dba98@mail.gmail.com>
	<b233947a0909291056v7df73c19r7dd4a1260efa059@mail.gmail.com>
	<AEEF7A0032974EDEA4B836F08D2AF18E@amd>
	<554723b0909300922w220d236axbb67fc2cb9a83054@mail.gmail.com>
	<b233947a0909301022h6e9ea9efha740582bf44024ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<db945ac40909301338r5a8a6506h5d34abd352c09d0c@mail.gmail.com>
	<db945ac40910201213y58d0b37ak808f30d3883507a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c5f3f16f0910201322w43d6a709k8668fa72f7e2394d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0C92961B-4B6F-4FAB-86F4-D3F5D1EA0820@metaweb.com>


We do not have a license for the IMDB data and no IMDB data is in  
Freebase.  We do not currently have any plans to obtain one, since the  
data would is not available under a CC-BY license.  Like Wikipedia, we  
do have links to IMDB for the purpose of supporting discovery of  
content external to Freebase.

We would prefer that you not use Acre to violate another site's terms  
of service.  It isn't good for Freebase and it isn't good for Open  
Data.  We would like to engage site owners with restrictive licenses  
and persuade them to open up all or some of their data.  It is harder  
to do that if our platform is perceived of as a mechanism for  
infringement.

-r



On Oct 20, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Tom Morris wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Spencer Kelly <spencerkelly86 at gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>> i'm gonna go ahead filling the ad-hoc Official website owner for now.
>>
>>     hey, anyone know an acre-happy imdb api?
>
> Unless Metaweb has purchased a commercial license, I don't think the
> IMBD data is available.
>
> http://www.imdb.com/licensing/
>
> Tom
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers

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From spencerkelly86 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 04:34:17 2009
From: spencerkelly86 at gmail.com (Spencer Kelly)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:34:17 -0400
Subject: [Developers]  new category importer
Message-ID: <db945ac40910202134l78f46e6fu1e656660bc49a41e@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all, pleased to release an app I"ve been working on for some time.
http://fatcat.freebaseapps.com
It's a Wikipedia category Importer designed to allow responsible importing
of this very huge, but very idiosyncratic source of data.
Wikipedia categories are cool because they are numerous, but also because
they are non-trivial. They give us an articles most relevant data, and are
unambiguously linked to freebase.
The app does lots of cool things, here's two:
Schema drilldown using suggest -  bam!   bam!
universalwriter(s, p, o) -  makes the best MQLwrite (create-connect,
included types, beats time-outs).

It's great, go nuts, jump at it from a bookmarklet or a greasemonkey.
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From pauljmackay at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 05:32:09 2009
From: pauljmackay at gmail.com (Paul Mackay)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:32:09 -0700
Subject: [Developers] New "official website" property on /common/topic
In-Reply-To: <0C92961B-4B6F-4FAB-86F4-D3F5D1EA0820@metaweb.com>
References: <4ABAA72C.4070600@metaweb.com>
	<db945ac40909291052k41d730f7ud95a171fa07dba98@mail.gmail.com>
	<b233947a0909291056v7df73c19r7dd4a1260efa059@mail.gmail.com>
	<AEEF7A0032974EDEA4B836F08D2AF18E@amd>
	<554723b0909300922w220d236axbb67fc2cb9a83054@mail.gmail.com>
	<b233947a0909301022h6e9ea9efha740582bf44024ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<db945ac40909301338r5a8a6506h5d34abd352c09d0c@mail.gmail.com>
	<db945ac40910201213y58d0b37ak808f30d3883507a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c5f3f16f0910201322w43d6a709k8668fa72f7e2394d@mail.gmail.com>
	<0C92961B-4B6F-4FAB-86F4-D3F5D1EA0820@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <be63e0470910202232o7e5fd5du974b71bf9b687e67@mail.gmail.com>

Are there any guidelines or documents that can be used when discussing with
an organisation about opening up some of their data? A set of arguments why
opening up data is a good thing to do?

paul

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Reilly Hayes <rfh at metaweb.com> wrote:

>
> We do not have a license for the IMDB data and no IMDB data is in Freebase.
>  We do not currently have any plans to obtain one, since the data would is
> not available under a CC-BY license.  Like Wikipedia, we do have links to
> IMDB for the purpose of supporting discovery of content external to
> Freebase.
>
> We would prefer that you not use Acre to violate another site's terms of
> service.  It isn't good for Freebase and it isn't good for Open Data.  We
> would like to engage site owners with restrictive licenses and persuade them
> to open up all or some of their data.  It is harder to do that if our
> platform is perceived of as a mechanism for infringement.
>
> -r
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Tom Morris wrote:
>
>  On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Spencer Kelly <spencerkelly86 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> i'm gonna go ahead filling the ad-hoc Official website owner for now.
>>>
>>>    hey, anyone know an acre-happy imdb api?
>>>
>>
>> Unless Metaweb has purchased a commercial license, I don't think the
>> IMBD data is available.
>>
>> http://www.imdb.com/licensing/
>>
>> Tom
>> _______________________________________________
>> Developers mailing list
>> Developers at freebase.com
>> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>
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From rictic at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 06:11:31 2009
From: rictic at gmail.com (Peter Burns)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:11:31 -0700
Subject: [Developers] new category importer
In-Reply-To: <db945ac40910202134l78f46e6fu1e656660bc49a41e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <db945ac40910202134l78f46e6fu1e656660bc49a41e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7CBC1A5A-7438-47A6-BCD3-B5F0B31B8343@gmail.com>

Wow, this is really cool.  I just typed a bunch of spoons as culinary  
tools!  And a bunch of rural localities in Russia as locations!

Great idea, and great execution as well.

On Oct 20, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Spencer Kelly wrote:

>
> Hello all, pleased to release an app I"ve been working on for some  
> time.
> http://fatcat.freebaseapps.com
> It's a Wikipedia category Importer designed to allow responsible  
> importing of this very huge, but very idiosyncratic source of data.
> Wikipedia categories are cool because they are numerous, but also  
> because they are non-trivial. They give us an articles most relevant  
> data, and are unambiguously linked to freebase.
> The app does lots of cool things, here's two:
> Schema drilldown using suggest -  bam!   bam!
> universalwriter(s, p, o) -  makes the best MQLwrite (create-connect,  
> included types, beats time-outs).
>
> It's great, go nuts, jump at it from a bookmarklet or a greasemonkey.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
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From tfmorris at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 06:16:31 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 02:16:31 -0400
Subject: [Developers] Authorization Dialogs (was Re: Who are you?)
In-Reply-To: <4ADBBD6B.2010901@metaweb.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<c5f3f16f0910181621u37b87206lddea93314d16955b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ADBBD6B.2010901@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <c5f3f16f0910202316y6afc2335g8b25f54d14bbaf4c@mail.gmail.com>

I was going to drop this, but I just saw another one of these.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi <stefano at metaweb.com> wrote:

> There is a security problem in letting the application influence what
> that dialog say... the app could make Freebase say "don't worry, I'm
> just need you sign in to know who you are"... and then write spam all
> over the place as you.

I'm calling "bullshit" on this one.  It sounds fine in the abstract,
but Acre currently has an authorization dialog with just one answer,
"Yes," and no verbiage telling the user how they should decide whether
to say "Yes" (or Yes).  How are you going to get less secure than
that?

Some useful things that could be in the authorization dialog include:
  the publisher's name
  the last time the app was modified
  a brief description of the app (surrounded by text saying it was
provided by an untrusted party)
  some text provided by Metaweb which describes how to decide whether
to say Yes or No
  A CANCEL BUTTON and some encouragement to use it if there's any doubt

> In Geographer, I've tried to write a workflow that didn't require the
> user to sign-in before understanding what the application would do.
>
> This is possible because calling acre.freebase.get_user_info() will
> return user info if the user has valid oauth credentials or null if
> not... this can be used to distinguish the two states and make the app
> behave accordingly.
>
> Unfortunately, very few acre apps go thru the trouble of doing that...
> either because app authors don't know how (and just learned from other
> apps that did the same) or they don't really feel this problem because
> once they are logged in, they don't see this dialog for a long time.

So is this best practice emphasized in the Acre tutorials?  Do all
Metaweb provided example apps which might be cloning targets implement
things this way?  Do the Acre overseers follow up with coaching when
they see a new app that doesn't do things this way?  Does the new
project template include the appropriate code (perhaps commented out
since most apps are hopefully read-only)?

Tom

From jason at metaweb.com  Wed Oct 21 07:50:19 2009
From: jason at metaweb.com (Jason Douglas)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:50:19 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Authorization Dialogs (was Re: Who are you?)
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0910202316y6afc2335g8b25f54d14bbaf4c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091018221605.GH31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<c5f3f16f0910181621u37b87206lddea93314d16955b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ADBBD6B.2010901@metaweb.com>
	<c5f3f16f0910202316y6afc2335g8b25f54d14bbaf4c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A9901603-4C3C-430D-B69C-6A7E0EF6C871@metaweb.com>

On Oct 20, 2009, at 11:16 PM, Tom Morris wrote:
>
>> In Geographer, I've tried to write a workflow that didn't require the
>> user to sign-in before understanding what the application would do.
>>
>> This is possible because calling acre.freebase.get_user_info() will
>> return user info if the user has valid oauth credentials or null if
>> not... this can be used to distinguish the two states and make the  
>> app
>> behave accordingly.
>>
>> Unfortunately, very few acre apps go thru the trouble of doing  
>> that...
>> either because app authors don't know how (and just learned from  
>> other
>> apps that did the same) or they don't really feel this problem  
>> because
>> once they are logged in, they don't see this dialog for a long time.
>
> So is this best practice emphasized in the Acre tutorials?  Do all
> Metaweb provided example apps which might be cloning targets implement
> things this way?
> Do the Acre overseers follow up with coaching when
> they see a new app that doesn't do things this way?  Does the new
> project template include the appropriate code (perhaps commented out
> since most apps are hopefully read-only)?

It has been part of the documentation for a long time:

	http://www.freebase.com/docs/acre/writing

However, I kind of like the idea of including it in the default  
template.  That template is way overdue for a refresh anyway.

-jason

From zenkat at metaweb.com  Wed Oct 21 17:02:03 2009
From: zenkat at metaweb.com (Brian Karlak)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:02:03 -0700
Subject: [Developers] new category importer
In-Reply-To: <db945ac40910202134l78f46e6fu1e656660bc49a41e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <db945ac40910202134l78f46e6fu1e656660bc49a41e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3FCAD8A0-02D9-49A8-8967-E2708A5AAF80@metaweb.com>


On Oct 20, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Spencer Kelly wrote:

> Hello all, pleased to release an app I"ve been working on for some  
> time.
> http://fatcat.freebaseapps.com
> It's a Wikipedia category Importer designed to allow responsible  
> importing of this very huge, but very idiosyncratic source of data.
> Wikipedia categories are cool because they are numerous, but also  
> because they are non-trivial. They give us an articles most relevant  
> data, and are unambiguously linked to freebase.


Hi Spencer --

Wow -- this is great!  Are you pulling the topics from WEX-BFG?  Or  
are you scraping the wikipedia category pages on the fly?

I do want to sound one note of caution, however.   The signal/noise  
ratio in most categories can be low -- in fact, it's usually far below  
the 99% accuracy benchmark we strive to maintain.  For example, check  
out some of the entries in "Category:Political Party" in Wikipedia:

Ideologies of parties
Big tent
Central Committee
Joke political party
Institutionalism in political parties
Major party
Minor party
Nonpartisan
Opposition
Fraction
Fraction chairperson

None of these are political parties.  But when you're doing category  
mappings, it's really easy to accidentally mistype all of these  
outliers without thinking about it.  This is especially true if you're  
dealing with long lists of unfamiliar names & places.

(In fact, we've found that the category data is dirty enough that we  
disabled automatic typing from the Category Mapper pipeline we run  
internally every two weeks.  Instead, it only asserts properties on  
topics that already have the correct type in Freebase.)

Of course, the nice thing about FatCat is that it allows you to  
unselect entries, so that you can manually pick the signal from the  
noise.  This is great!  However, it can still be very easy to miss one  
or two bad entries in long lists of otherwise correct entries.  This  
is especially easy to do if all you have is a name without other  
identifying information, like a blurb.

So please -- be careful!  This is definitely a power tool.

Brian

PS -- If I could make one suggestion for the app, it would be to  
display the blurbs for the topics in a table, along the lines of Tom's  
datecheck app.  I think it would really help people think about what  
they were doing before they click "write".

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From jack.alves at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 17:26:53 2009
From: jack.alves at gmail.com (Jack Alves)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:26:53 -0700
Subject: [Developers] new wiggleback
Message-ID: <554723b0910231026r40e2423ahe025e020af9a9cfc@mail.gmail.com>

I just did a major update of wiggleback.com <http://www.wiggleback.com>. New
features include ranked results, much better performance, and a new style.
As always comments and suggestions are welcome. I'm heading out for the day
so I'll respond tomorrow.

Jack
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From thimon at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 23:37:57 2009
From: thimon at gmail.com (Thimon)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:37:57 +0200
Subject: [Developers] Conflict History
Message-ID: <f27f5ba80910241637t5b732c3lab027e93f67540de@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Its still an alpha version but ready to be posted on the developers list.
Im building a freebase/googlemaps mashup which allows you to browse the
timeline of militairy conflicts across the globe:
http://www.conflicthistory.com (flash player 10 requered)
The app query's the militairy conflicts type every time the time changes.

Thimon
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From duncan.oliver at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 03:15:01 2009
From: duncan.oliver at gmail.com (Duncan Oliver)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:15:01 -0500
Subject: [Developers] Wikey - Freebase App for Checking Wikipedia Keys
Message-ID: <b1e2e3030910242015i6b5157dh8d72e48c15c6712@mail.gmail.com>

Cross-posting, so sorry for the duplicates.

Don't know if this will be useful to anyone, but I made an app to look at
the validity of the Wikipedia keys for a topic:

wikey.freebaseapps.com

Enter a topic, and you can see if the article ID and names still point to
the same page. Older versions use to just scrape the articles, but this one
uses the MediaWiki API. Hopefully, with the new Wikipedia pipeline, the need
for this will be diminished, but it should be useful in identifying problem
areas.
---
Duncan
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From iainsproat at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 10:42:24 2009
From: iainsproat at gmail.com (Iain Sproat)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:42:24 +0400
Subject: [Developers] Conflict History
In-Reply-To: <f27f5ba80910241637t5b732c3lab027e93f67540de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f27f5ba80910241637t5b732c3lab027e93f67540de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f70332fb0910250342t6632cbf5yccd05fb5c945f816@mail.gmail.com>

This is awesome, thanks for sharing.

I love how when you click on a campaign it then displays all the
battles in that campaign - sweet feature, keeps the map clean with
detail on demand.

Would love to see animation with unit movement arrows - I'd help get
the data into freebase to support that sort of visualisation.

Iain

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Thimon <thimon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Its still an alpha version but ready to be posted on the developers list.
> Im building a freebase/googlemaps mashup which allows you to browse the
> timeline of militairy conflicts across the globe:
> http://www.conflicthistory.com (flash player 10 requered)
> The app query's the militairy conflicts type every time the time changes.
> Thimon
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>
>

From pauljmackay at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 18:46:13 2009
From: pauljmackay at gmail.com (Paul Mackay)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:46:13 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Some app thoughts
Message-ID: <be63e0470910251146p7a8316eatfdfe4c4c317ba73d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
Below are a few app ideas that I'm thinking of and I'd like to ask if anyone
has suggestions of similar existing apps or any other comments:

*Address to location mapper*

Something to select a topic that has Address information and is also a
Location, find the Address on Google Maps and confirm that the location is
correct, then fill in the Geolocation information.
The closest app I found is Geographer (http://geographer.freebaseapps.com/),
but this does not allow topics to be selected and it doesnt search using
address info, just a name.

*Multi-topic editing*

This may be more of a request for the Import tool, but it would be helpful
to have a way of easily filling out multiple fields for new or existing
topics, particularly when they would all have the same entries, e.g. the
same city for a set of locations in the city.
Of course an upload could be scripted via the Freebase API, but sometimes it
is more work to put that together than to manually enter data, depending on
the size of the data set.

*Topic cloning*

This is similar to the above request, where a new topic might be very
similar to an existing one, so it could be quicker to clone a topic and
rename certain fields than fill out a new topic.

All comments much appreciated :)

paul
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From al at metaweb.com  Sun Oct 25 22:09:55 2009
From: al at metaweb.com (Alexander Marks)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:09:55 -0700
Subject: [Developers] please-explore
Message-ID: <F608B8E5-5AAE-424F-AA09-62012BB73027@metaweb.com>

I love the no-nonsense Freebase explore page. I always go there first  
when I'm doing anything technical with Freebase data. So I made a tiny  
Acre service that understands some common search patterns and  
redirects you to the explore page of the best match.

   http://please-explore.freebaseapps.com/

It works well as a Firefox quicksearch item. Create a bookmark to "http://please-explore.freebaseapps.com/?q=%s 
" and assign it a keyword like "xp".

It knows these patterns:

GUIDs:
   - 9202a8c04000641f8000000000006567
   - #9202a8c04000641f8000000000006567
   - /guid/9202a8c04000641f8000000000006567

Wikipedia article IDs:
   - 1806

Any other kind of ID:
   - /wikipedia/en_id/1806
   - wikipedia/en_id/1806 (leading slash is always optional)
   - /authority/imdb/name/nm0000216

And, failing any of those, you'll be sent to the first Search result:
   - Arnold Schwarzenegger
   - Governator

Al


From daniel.oconnor at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 23:59:26 2009
From: daniel.oconnor at gmail.com (Daniel O'Connor)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:29:26 +1030
Subject: [Developers] Flickr API library?
Message-ID: <106cc1200910251659g2c701357vdc5bade42bb1b91e@mail.gmail.com>

Before I go much further, what do people think of:

http://flickrapi.doconnor.user.dev.freebaseapps.com/


If it already exists - doh.
If not, what's the highest priorities on the list for this kind of thing?

Anyone want to help?

Most methods are trivial to implement - just make a function which
builds a URI and JSON decodes it.

My primary use cases:
 * Apps which ask flickr for machinetags
 * Apps which ask flickr for CC licenced content which may represent
your freebase topic

From jason at metaweb.com  Mon Oct 26 00:14:44 2009
From: jason at metaweb.com (Jason Douglas)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:14:44 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Flickr API library?
In-Reply-To: <106cc1200910251659g2c701357vdc5bade42bb1b91e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <106cc1200910251659g2c701357vdc5bade42bb1b91e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <73F0F401-5FA5-4E11-A8DA-9D77E79B68FC@metaweb.com>

I love this idea.

Once we have the data game library released (soon!), I'd love to see a  
game for asserting these freebase machine tags to Flickr.  I'm not  
sure whether it would work better to just manually tag the photo using  
Suggest... or show a whole set and suggest freebase matches for the  
tags of that set.... or something else?

-jason


On Oct 25, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Daniel O'Connor wrote:

> Before I go much further, what do people think of:
>
> http://flickrapi.doconnor.user.dev.freebaseapps.com/
>
>
> If it already exists - doh.
> If not, what's the highest priorities on the list for this kind of  
> thing?
>
> Anyone want to help?
>
> Most methods are trivial to implement - just make a function which
> builds a URI and JSON decodes it.
>
> My primary use cases:
> * Apps which ask flickr for machinetags
> * Apps which ask flickr for CC licenced content which may represent
> your freebase topic
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers


From daniel.oconnor at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 04:25:26 2009
From: daniel.oconnor at gmail.com (Daniel O'Connor)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:55:26 +1030
Subject: [Developers] Flickr API library?
In-Reply-To: <73F0F401-5FA5-4E11-A8DA-9D77E79B68FC@metaweb.com>
References: <106cc1200910251659g2c701357vdc5bade42bb1b91e@mail.gmail.com>
	<73F0F401-5FA5-4E11-A8DA-9D77E79B68FC@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <106cc1200910252125u1cd85838yb096c2cbd78f25c5@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Jason Douglas <jason at metaweb.com> wrote:
> I love this idea.
>
> Once we have the data game library released (soon!), I'd love to see a
> game for asserting these freebase machine tags to Flickr. ?I'm not
> sure whether it would work better to just manually tag the photo using
> Suggest... or show a whole set and suggest freebase matches for the
> tags of that set.... or something else?

http://flickrtagged.freebaseapps.com/ as a start perhaps?

The underlying tools can be used in a whole bunch of different ways
that could be useful - ie:
Find me CC licenced photos of this freebase location (?id=/en/Mount
Rushmore) and attach them if I like fairly trivially.

From kirrily at metaweb.com  Mon Oct 26 16:11:57 2009
From: kirrily at metaweb.com (Kirrily Robert)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:11:57 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Some app thoughts
In-Reply-To: <be63e0470910251146p7a8316eatfdfe4c4c317ba73d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <be63e0470910251146p7a8316eatfdfe4c4c317ba73d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09EE124F-912B-4287-A482-6C77B84796A9@metaweb.com>

Hey Paul, these are all good ideas.  There's a wiki page at http://wiki.freebase.com/wiki/Wanted_apps 
  where we're gathering suggestions like these.  Next time someone  
comes along and says "I want to play with Acre but I'm not sure what  
I'd use it for" we can point them at the list ;)

K.

On 25/10/2009, at 11:46 AM, Paul Mackay wrote:

> Hi,
> Below are a few app ideas that I'm thinking of and I'd like to ask  
> if anyone has suggestions of similar existing apps or any other  
> comments:
>
> Address to location mapper
>
> Something to select a topic that has Address information and is also  
> a Location, find the Address on Google Maps and confirm that the  
> location is correct, then fill in the Geolocation information.
> The closest app I found is Geographer (http://geographer.freebaseapps.com/ 
> ), but this does not allow topics to be selected and it doesnt  
> search using address info, just a name.
>
> Multi-topic editing
>
> This may be more of a request for the Import tool, but it would be  
> helpful to have a way of easily filling out multiple fields for new  
> or existing topics, particularly when they would all have the same  
> entries, e.g. the same city for a set of locations in the city.
> Of course an upload could be scripted via the Freebase API, but  
> sometimes it is more work to put that together than to manually  
> enter data, depending on the size of the data set.
>
> Topic cloning
>
> This is similar to the above request, where a new topic might be  
> very similar to an existing one, so it could be quicker to clone a  
> topic and rename certain fields than fill out a new topic.
>
> All comments much appreciated :)
>
> paul
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers

-- 
Kirrily Robert
Freebase Community Director
kirrily at metaweb.com



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From spencerkelly86 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 17:41:19 2009
From: spencerkelly86 at gmail.com (Spencer Kelly)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:41:19 -0400
Subject: [Developers] Flickr API library?
In-Reply-To: <106cc1200910252125u1cd85838yb096c2cbd78f25c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <106cc1200910251659g2c701357vdc5bade42bb1b91e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<73F0F401-5FA5-4E11-A8DA-9D77E79B68FC@metaweb.com>
	<106cc1200910252125u1cd85838yb096c2cbd78f25c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <db945ac40910261041l1084a839ie61a2baaf64849c1@mail.gmail.com>

dbpedia has a really great flickr wrapper thats maybe worth checking out,
its all cc too.
http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/flickrwrappr/

they're written into the db graph as
http://dbpedia.org/property/hasPhotoCollection
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From willmoffat at metaweb.com  Mon Oct 26 19:13:11 2009
From: willmoffat at metaweb.com (Will Moffat)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:13:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Developers] Conflict History
In-Reply-To: <f27f5ba80910241637t5b732c3lab027e93f67540de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1526147170.200881256584391688.JavaMail.root@zimbra01.corp.sjc1.metaweb.com>


----- "Thimon" <thimon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Im building a freebase/googlemaps mashup which allows you to browse
> the timeline of militairy conflicts across the globe :
> http://www.conflicthistory.com (flash player 10 requered)

Cool app.

Clearly Flash could be used to build some really cool Freebase apps, so despite not being a Flash developer myself, I've been trying to collect any info I could find on Flash apps here:
http://wiki.freebase.com/wiki/Flash

If you have any tips, or source code to share then it would be awesome if you (or any other Flash developers out there) could add to the wiki page.
cheers,
--Will



From michael at metaweb.com  Mon Oct 26 21:31:05 2009
From: michael at metaweb.com (Michael Masouras)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:31:05 +0200
Subject: [Developers] Announcing: Topic API
Message-ID: <41F9B16E-58F4-4FCB-AF98-FCB22A638CAD@metaweb.com>

We are launching a new API that we hope will facilitate the  
development of applications around topics.

This new API is a JSON HTTP service and provides most of the data  
connected to a topic (including a lot of nitty-gritty around going  
over mediators and handling addresses), without the need to write any  
MQL or use the blurb service for getting descriptions.  We have also  
tailored the output of the API to make writing UIs easier.

Here's an example API call:
http://www.freebase.com/experimental/topic/standard?id=/en/new_york_yankees

and here is the documentation, including available Acre wrappers and  
an example to get you going:
http://www.freebase.com/docs/topic_api

As you can see from the URL, this is still in a testing period, and we  
are particularly interested in your feedback. Let us know if you find  
this handy, and especially things that would make it more useful to you.

Thanks,
Michael



From daniel.oconnor at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 22:48:20 2009
From: daniel.oconnor at gmail.com (Daniel O'Connor)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:18:20 +1030
Subject: [Developers] Some app thoughts
In-Reply-To: <be63e0470910251146p7a8316eatfdfe4c4c317ba73d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <be63e0470910251146p7a8316eatfdfe4c4c317ba73d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <106cc1200910261548g32a86c4fm497b5630740a0629@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:16 AM, Paul Mackay <pauljmackay at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Below are a few app ideas that I'm thinking of and I'd like to ask if anyone
> has suggestions of similar existing apps or any other comments:
>
> Address to location mapper
>
> Something to select a topic that has Address information and is also a
> Location, find the Address on Google Maps and confirm that the location is
> correct, then fill in the Geolocation information.

That might be against the google maps API terms and conditions,
unfortunately. However, there are other projects, like Open Street Map
which have APIs and could cover this off :)

From stefano at metaweb.com  Mon Oct 26 23:38:53 2009
From: stefano at metaweb.com (Stefano Mazzocchi)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:38:53 -0700
Subject: [Developers] [ann] Some Acre Goodies get you going faster
Message-ID: <4AE6330D.40708@metaweb.com>

I've spent some effort to cleanup and condense some of the things we do 
over and over again in acre, for example:

  1) how to start with a reasonable CSS stylesheet that doesn't look 
like crap but it's not a pain to use

  2) a series of highly reusable HTML fragments that do the things I do 
all the time (like, add jquery to this page, or add a header and a 
footer, etc)

  3) document a series of javascript libraries that enhance the default 
Acre environment and simplify your life

So, look here:

  a) http://default.freebaseapps.com/ - contains some templates that 
create simple HTML fragments for you to use + a default stylesheet that 
makes your page look reasonable from the get go (the app uses its own 
default_stylesheet so it will look like that one)

  b) http://libraries.freebaseapps.com/ - lists useful JS libraries that 
you can use alongside with cut/paste code that to get you going

  c) http://wiki.freebase.com/wiki/Acre_Recipes - contains useful 
recipes and code fragments that you can cut/paste in your app to do 
useful things in acre that are not obvious. Now wikified! so you can 
add/request your own.

Enjoy!

-- 
Stefano Mazzocchi                              Application Catalyst
Metaweb Technologies, Inc.                      stefano at metaweb.com
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From pauljmackay at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 03:21:15 2009
From: pauljmackay at gmail.com (Paul Mackay)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:21:15 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Some app thoughts
In-Reply-To: <106cc1200910261548g32a86c4fm497b5630740a0629@mail.gmail.com>
References: <be63e0470910251146p7a8316eatfdfe4c4c317ba73d@mail.gmail.com>
	<106cc1200910261548g32a86c4fm497b5630740a0629@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <be63e0470910262021u62eb1f33m921d341f3de2e7c7@mail.gmail.com>

The Geographer app uses Google Maps - is there something about the use case
I described that is different to what that app is doing? How would it break
their terms & conditions?

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Daniel O'Connor
<daniel.oconnor at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:16 AM, Paul Mackay <pauljmackay at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Below are a few app ideas that I'm thinking of and I'd like to ask if
> anyone
> > has suggestions of similar existing apps or any other comments:
> >
> > Address to location mapper
> >
> > Something to select a topic that has Address information and is also a
> > Location, find the Address on Google Maps and confirm that the location
> is
> > correct, then fill in the Geolocation information.
>
> That might be against the google maps API terms and conditions,
> unfortunately. However, there are other projects, like Open Street Map
> which have APIs and could cover this off :)
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>
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From daniel.oconnor at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 05:32:30 2009
From: daniel.oconnor at gmail.com (Daniel O'Connor)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:02:30 +1030
Subject: [Developers] Some app thoughts
In-Reply-To: <be63e0470910262021u62eb1f33m921d341f3de2e7c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <be63e0470910251146p7a8316eatfdfe4c4c317ba73d@mail.gmail.com>
	<106cc1200910261548g32a86c4fm497b5630740a0629@mail.gmail.com>
	<be63e0470910262021u62eb1f33m921d341f3de2e7c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <106cc1200910262232r1b57097bq9ef33264f955ca2@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Paul Mackay <pauljmackay at gmail.com> wrote:
> The Geographer app uses Google Maps - is there something about the use case
> I described that is different to what that app is doing? How would it break
> their terms & conditions?
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Daniel O'Connor <daniel.oconnor at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:16 AM, Paul Mackay <pauljmackay at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > Below are a few app ideas that I'm thinking of and I'd like to ask if
>> > anyone
>> > has suggestions of similar existing apps or any other comments:
>> >
>> > Address to location mapper
>> >
>> > Something to select a topic that has Address information and is also a
>> > Location, find the Address on Google Maps and confirm that the location
>> > is
>> > correct, then fill in the Geolocation information.
>>
>> That might be against the google maps API terms and conditions,
>> unfortunately. However, there are other projects, like Open Street Map
>> which have APIs and could cover this off :)


http://code.google.com/apis/maps/terms.html
10. License Restrictions.

10.2 copy, translate, modify, create a derivative work of, or publicly
display any Content or any part thereof (for example, the following
are prohibited: (a) creating server-side modification of map tiles;
and (b) stitching multiple static map images together to display a map
that is larger than permitted in the Maps APIs Documentation);

10.3 pre-fetch, cache, or store any Content, except that you may store
limited amounts of Content for the purpose of improving the
performance of your Maps API Implementation if you do so temporarily,
securely, and in a manner that does not permit use of the Content
outside of the Service;


10.6 use the Service in a manner that gives you or any other person
access to mass downloads or bulk feeds of any Content, including but
not limited to numerical latitude or longitude coordinates, imagery,
and visible map data;


I only found out after the geonames people got a bit twitchy about it
when I offered to geocode loads of suburb data.

From philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk  Tue Oct 27 12:30:46 2009
From: philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk (Philip Kendall)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:30:46 +0000
Subject: [Developers] A selection of Acre apps
Message-ID: <20091027123046.GT31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>

In case anyone's interested, I've put together a list of my more
functional Acre apps on my user page on the Wiki:

http://wiki.freebase.com/wiki/User:Pak21

Hopefully they'll give you inspiration/guidance for anything you're
looking to do yourself -- please drop me a note and/or ask here if
you're thinking of doing anything similar and need anything explaining
or the like.

Cheers,

Phil

-- 
  Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/

From ma at zive.at  Tue Oct 27 16:56:34 2009
From: ma at zive.at (Michael Aufreiter)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:56:34 +0100
Subject: [Developers] =?windows-1252?q?ASKKEN=99_-_Visual_Knowledge_Browse?=
	=?windows-1252?q?r?=
Message-ID: <8561C441-539C-4922-A5AE-7F7EBEEEB942@zive.at>

I just released a first version of my visual Freebase.com browser.  
Maybe you want to have a look at it. :)

It's based on the HTML5 Canvas element and uses the Processing.js  
visualization language.

Demo: http://askken.heroku.com

Code: http://github.com/michael/askken

Although it?s basically working, the project has rough edges and is  
far from being complete. There may be some unexpected behavior here  
and there.
Also, as the number of nodes increases, the performance may drop  
significantly. Just be aware of that. ;)

I don't need to mention that comments/feedback/suggestions are  
welcome! :)

Regards,
Michael
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From rfh at metaweb.com  Tue Oct 27 17:34:35 2009
From: rfh at metaweb.com (Reilly Hayes)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:34:35 -0700
Subject: [Developers]
 =?windows-1252?q?ASKKEN=99_-_Visual_Knowledge_Browse?=
 =?windows-1252?q?r?=
In-Reply-To: <8561C441-539C-4922-A5AE-7F7EBEEEB942@zive.at>
References: <8561C441-539C-4922-A5AE-7F7EBEEEB942@zive.at>
Message-ID: <326DB475-C9E5-4117-9957-710F7B46B468@metaweb.com>


This is very appealing.  Have you given any thought to supporting  
navigation though CVTs?

-reilly


On Oct 27, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Michael Aufreiter wrote:

> I just released a first version of my visual Freebase.com browser.  
> Maybe you want to have a look at it. :)
>
> It's based on the HTML5 Canvas element and uses the Processing.js  
> visualization language.
>
> Demo: http://askken.heroku.com
>
> Code: http://github.com/michael/askken
>
> Although it?s basically working, the project has rough edges and is  
> far from being complete. There may be some unexpected behavior here  
> and there.
> Also, as the number of nodes increases, the performance may drop  
> significantly. Just be aware of that. ;)
>
> I don't need to mention that comments/feedback/suggestions are  
> welcome! :)
>
> Regards,
> Michael
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers

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From iainsproat at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 17:51:12 2009
From: iainsproat at gmail.com (Iain Sproat)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:51:12 +0400
Subject: [Developers]
	=?windows-1252?q?ASKKEN=99_-_Visual_Knowledge_Browse?=
	=?windows-1252?q?r?=
In-Reply-To: <326DB475-C9E5-4117-9957-710F7B46B468@metaweb.com>
References: <8561C441-539C-4922-A5AE-7F7EBEEEB942@zive.at>
	<326DB475-C9E5-4117-9957-710F7B46B468@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <f70332fb0910271051i364499c9s9fc66abf926c25c9@mail.gmail.com>

I like this app, real smooth interface.

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Reilly Hayes <rfh at metaweb.com> wrote:
>
> This is very appealing. ?Have you given any thought to supporting navigation
> though CVTs?

Perhaps using the new Topic API might help?
http://www.freebase.com/docs/topic_api

Iain

From michael at metaweb.com  Tue Oct 27 17:56:47 2009
From: michael at metaweb.com (Michael Masouras)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:56:47 +0200
Subject: [Developers]
 =?windows-1252?q?ASKKEN=99_-_Visual_Knowledge_Browse?=
 =?windows-1252?q?r?=
In-Reply-To: <8561C441-539C-4922-A5AE-7F7EBEEEB942@zive.at>
References: <8561C441-539C-4922-A5AE-7F7EBEEEB942@zive.at>
Message-ID: <58839F7C-340D-4489-8162-3397A8F74365@metaweb.com>

Really nice visualization - some thoughts:

- you might want to restrict to /common/topic for links to avoid  
certain dead ends like musical tracks and book editions

- maybe add some suggested topics in the beginning that lend  
themselves to this visualization to get people going ?

Michael


On Oct 27, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Michael Aufreiter wrote:

> I just released a first version of my visual Freebase.com browser.  
> Maybe you want to have a look at it. :)
>
> It's based on the HTML5 Canvas element and uses the Processing.js  
> visualization language.
>
> Demo: http://askken.heroku.com
>
> Code: http://github.com/michael/askken
>
> Although it?s basically working, the project has rough edges and is  
> far from being complete. There may be some unexpected behavior here  
> and there.
> Also, as the number of nodes increases, the performance may drop  
> significantly. Just be aware of that. ;)
>
> I don't need to mention that comments/feedback/suggestions are  
> welcome! :)
>
> Regards,
> Michael
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers

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From timrdf at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 18:21:51 2009
From: timrdf at gmail.com (Tim rdf)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:21:51 -0400
Subject: [Developers]
	=?windows-1252?q?ASKKEN=99_-_Visual_Knowledge_Browse?=
	=?windows-1252?q?r?=
In-Reply-To: <8561C441-539C-4922-A5AE-7F7EBEEEB942@zive.at>
References: <8561C441-539C-4922-A5AE-7F7EBEEEB942@zive.at>
Message-ID: <80995bcd0910271121s4860f0e0s36d18f32890fe61e@mail.gmail.com>

Michael,

Very intriguing interface.

It took several minutes for me to determine that the top-level
partitioning of the ring was by relation. Even after I figured that
out, now knowing what "relation" I was about to explore became
disorienting. Perhaps change the focus 'on click' instead of 'on
hover', and provide the relation that would be explored with an 'on
hover'? An alternative would be to render a circle inside of the topic
circle, partitioned by the relations.

-Tim



On 10/27/09, Michael Aufreiter <ma at zive.at> wrote:
> I just released a first version of my visual Freebase.com browser.
> Maybe you want to have a look at it. :)
>
> It's based on the HTML5 Canvas element and uses the Processing.js
> visualization language.
>
> Demo: http://askken.heroku.com
>
> Code: http://github.com/michael/askken
>
> Although it?s basically working, the project has rough edges and is
> far from being complete. There may be some unexpected behavior here
> and there.
> Also, as the number of nodes increases, the performance may drop
> significantly. Just be aware of that. ;)
>
> I don't need to mention that comments/feedback/suggestions are
> welcome! :)
>
> Regards,
> Michael

From gordon at metaweb.com  Tue Oct 27 21:14:52 2009
From: gordon at metaweb.com (Gordon Mackenzie)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:14:52 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Conflict History
In-Reply-To: <f27f5ba80910241637t5b732c3lab027e93f67540de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f27f5ba80910241637t5b732c3lab027e93f67540de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <307A7BA6-68B1-46E7-A51B-10CBB2C9E0F9@metaweb.com>

Great looking application.

Not getting the infobox appearing in firefox 3.5.3, but does work very  
well in Chrome.

I cannot get the American Revolutionary War to appear, just the topic  
for the Treaty of Alliance

~ Gordon

<<< gordon at metaweb.com >>>



On Oct 24, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Thimon wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Its still an alpha version but ready to be posted on the developers  
> list.
> Im building a freebase/googlemaps mashup which allows you to browse  
> the timeline of militairy conflicts across the globe:
> http://www.conflicthistory.com (flash player 10 requered)
> The app query's the militairy conflicts type every time the time  
> changes.
>
> Thimon
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers

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From narphorium at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 21:19:51 2009
From: narphorium at gmail.com (Shawn Simister)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:19:51 -0400
Subject: [Developers]
 =?windows-1252?q?ASKKEN=99_-_Visual_Knowledge_Browse?=
 =?windows-1252?q?r?=
In-Reply-To: <8561C441-539C-4922-A5AE-7F7EBEEEB942@zive.at>
References: <8561C441-539C-4922-A5AE-7F7EBEEEB942@zive.at>
Message-ID: <4AE763F7.9070900@gmail.com>

Very nice work Michael! HTML5 Canvas is a great match for Freebase data 
and I really like the look and feel that you've created in your 
application. Makes me wish I had a touch screen.

My only suggestion would be to display a sample topic when the home page 
loads. That way, the user can instantly understand what the application 
is about without having to read the instructions or think of a topic.

Shawn

Michael Aufreiter wrote:
>
> I just released a first version of my visual Freebase.com 
> <http://Freebase.com> browser. Maybe you want to have a look at it. :) 
>
> It's based on the HTML5 Canvas element and uses the Processing.js 
> visualization language.
>
> Demo: http://askken.heroku.com <http://askken.heroku.com/> 
>
> Code: http://github.com/michael/askken
>
> Although it?s basically working, the project has rough edges and is 
> far from being complete. There may be some unexpected behavior here 
> and there.
> Also, as the number of nodes increases, the performance may drop 
> significantly. Just be aware of that. ;)
>
> I don't need to mention that comments/feedback/suggestions are welcome! :)
>
> Regards, 
> Michael
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>   

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From thimon at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 22:55:01 2009
From: thimon at gmail.com (Thimon)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:55:01 +0100
Subject: [Developers] Conflict History
In-Reply-To: <307A7BA6-68B1-46E7-A51B-10CBB2C9E0F9@metaweb.com>
References: <f27f5ba80910241637t5b732c3lab027e93f67540de@mail.gmail.com>
	<307A7BA6-68B1-46E7-A51B-10CBB2C9E0F9@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <f27f5ba80910271555h1b24e3efj7ca2fa78a0cd0c1f@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you. I did a bit of searching and found the American Revolutionary war
here:
http://www.conflicthistory.com/#/period/1776-1786/conflict/+en+american_revolutionary_war
.
Strange it is not working well on  3.5.3. I will have a look at it.

Thanks,
Thimon
<http://www.conflicthistory.com/#/period/1776-1786/conflict/+en+american_revolutionary_war>

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Gordon Mackenzie <gordon at metaweb.com>wrote:

> Great looking application.
>
> Not getting the infobox appearing in firefox 3.5.3, but does work very well
> in Chrome.
>
> I cannot get the American Revolutionary War to appear, just the topic for
> the Treaty of Alliance
>
> ~ Gordon
>
> <<< gordon at metaweb.com >>>
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Thimon wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Its still an alpha version but ready to be posted on the developers list.
> Im building a freebase/googlemaps mashup which allows you to browse the
> timeline of militairy conflicts across the globe:
> http://www.conflicthistory.com (flash player 10 requered)
> The app query's the militairy conflicts type every time the time changes.
>
> Thimon
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>
>
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From gordon at metaweb.com  Tue Oct 27 23:58:38 2009
From: gordon at metaweb.com (Gordon Mackenzie)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:58:38 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Conflict History
In-Reply-To: <f27f5ba80910271555h1b24e3efj7ca2fa78a0cd0c1f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f27f5ba80910241637t5b732c3lab027e93f67540de@mail.gmail.com>
	<307A7BA6-68B1-46E7-A51B-10CBB2C9E0F9@metaweb.com>
	<f27f5ba80910271555h1b24e3efj7ca2fa78a0cd0c1f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0215A5CB-17CD-46B2-9FD1-C2D2F34607C8@metaweb.com>

There was no ending date for the main topic, I added it, it is now  
appearing.

Any event that has no start or end date will not resolve in your flash  
app. A problem with our data that will require some adding correct  
dates on Freebase (is the simple answer).

Info popup when clicking on the 'i' con is working now. Hmm, my  
firefox may be not functioning as well as I like, with too many tabs  
open.

~ Gordon

<<< gordon at metaweb.com >>>



On Oct 27, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Thimon wrote:

> Thank you. I did a bit of searching and found the American  
> Revolutionary war here: http://www.conflicthistory.com/#/period/ 
> 1776-1786/conflict/+en+american_revolutionary_war.
> Strange it is not working well on  3.5.3. I will have a look at it.
>
> Thanks,
> Thimon
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Gordon Mackenzie  
> <gordon at metaweb.com> wrote:
> Great looking application.
>
> Not getting the infobox appearing in firefox 3.5.3, but does work  
> very well in Chrome.
>
> I cannot get the American Revolutionary War to appear, just the  
> topic for the Treaty of Alliance
>
> ~ Gordon
>
> <<< gordon at metaweb.com >>>
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Thimon wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Its still an alpha version but ready to be posted on the developers  
>> list.
>> Im building a freebase/googlemaps mashup which allows you to browse  
>> the timeline of militairy conflicts across the globe:
>> http://www.conflicthistory.com (flash player 10 requered)
>> The app query's the militairy conflicts type every time the time  
>> changes.
>>
>> Thimon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Developers mailing list
>> Developers at freebase.com
>> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers

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From spencerkelly86 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 14:59:47 2009
From: spencerkelly86 at gmail.com (Spencer Kelly)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:59:47 -0400
Subject: [Developers] Conflict History
In-Reply-To: <0215A5CB-17CD-46B2-9FD1-C2D2F34607C8@metaweb.com>
References: <f27f5ba80910241637t5b732c3lab027e93f67540de@mail.gmail.com> 
	<307A7BA6-68B1-46E7-A51B-10CBB2C9E0F9@metaweb.com>
	<f27f5ba80910271555h1b24e3efj7ca2fa78a0cd0c1f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<0215A5CB-17CD-46B2-9FD1-C2D2F34607C8@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <db945ac40910280759l7590ae52w7c5685440d22d3bc@mail.gmail.com>

wicked app thimon,
cool feature would be just to press play. Infact it'd be cool to see this
with any type, map+timeline is a really awesome idea.
its like call of duty! does it predict future events? ;)
cheers
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From kirrily at metaweb.com  Wed Oct 28 16:06:40 2009
From: kirrily at metaweb.com (Kirrily Robert)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:06:40 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Conflict History
In-Reply-To: <db945ac40910280759l7590ae52w7c5685440d22d3bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f27f5ba80910241637t5b732c3lab027e93f67540de@mail.gmail.com>
	<307A7BA6-68B1-46E7-A51B-10CBB2C9E0F9@metaweb.com>
	<f27f5ba80910271555h1b24e3efj7ca2fa78a0cd0c1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<0215A5CB-17CD-46B2-9FD1-C2D2F34607C8@metaweb.com>
	<db945ac40910280759l7590ae52w7c5685440d22d3bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A8FC5534-EEAC-4B51-B0D9-C1676588E11E@metaweb.com>

On 28/10/2009, at 7:59 AM, Spencer Kelly wrote:

> wicked app thimon,
> cool feature would be just to press play. Infact it'd be cool to see  
> this with any type, map+timeline is a really awesome idea.
> its like call of duty! does it predict future events? ;)

Oh yes please!  "Press play" would be the killer feature for this.

K.

-- 
Kirrily Robert
Freebase Community Director
kirrily at metaweb.com




From jamesalexanderlevy at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 22:27:14 2009
From: jamesalexanderlevy at gmail.com (James Alexander Levy)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:27:14 -0700
Subject: [Developers] seed fb-suggest with a collection of guids
Message-ID: <8212a4320910281527n6d329f1audbb1e5f69356d470@mail.gmail.com>

A little while ago I posted about how fb-suggest seems to take too long
(5-10 seconds) when I use a custom MQL filter, but I want to restrict the
search to usually a few hundred or a few dozen topics.

I recently came across a jQuery search autocomplete plugin called yummi (
http://incite.github.com/jquery-yummi/) where you can send a collection of
keywords when the plugin is invoked. This is exactly what I want to do with
fb-suggest, and I additionally want to avoid querying freebase on every
keystroke, so I want to use that list of fb guids to make a single ajax call
when fb suggest is instantiated, so that the autocomplete would be done on
the cached freebase topics. This way, it would only take milliseconds rather
than seconds to load suggestions.

I'll see if I can get a patch and demo ready...please do make suggestions if
you have any about implementing this.
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From daepark at metaweb.com  Thu Oct 29 00:03:50 2009
From: daepark at metaweb.com (Dae Park)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:03:50 -0700
Subject: [Developers] seed fb-suggest with a collection of guids
In-Reply-To: <8212a4320910281527n6d329f1audbb1e5f69356d470@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8212a4320910281527n6d329f1audbb1e5f69356d470@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A8F4BF10-C0FE-4489-8DE5-EFD0D8CC96F7@metaweb.com>

Hi,
If I understand you correctly, there is a freebase suggest plugin that  
might accomplish what you are looking for:

http://freebaselibs.com/static/suggest/1.0.1/plugins/#suggesttype

It's not really document very well but you can pass in a {mql_query:  
[{...}]} option (instead of {type: ...} option)

-dae


On Oct 28, 2009, at 3:27 PM, James Alexander Levy wrote:

> A little while ago I posted about how fb-suggest seems to take too  
> long (5-10 seconds) when I use a custom MQL filter, but I want to  
> restrict the search to usually a few hundred or a few dozen topics.
>
> I recently came across a jQuery search autocomplete plugin called  
> yummi (http://incite.github.com/jquery-yummi/) where you can send a  
> collection of keywords when the plugin is invoked. This is exactly  
> what I want to do with fb-suggest, and I additionally want to avoid  
> querying freebase on every keystroke, so I want to use that list of  
> fb guids to make a single ajax call when fb suggest is instantiated,  
> so that the autocomplete would be done on the cached freebase  
> topics. This way, it would only take milliseconds rather than  
> seconds to load suggestions.
>
> I'll see if I can get a patch and demo ready...please do make  
> suggestions if you have any about implementing this.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
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From philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk  Thu Oct 29 08:39:38 2009
From: philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk (Philip Kendall)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:39:38 +0000
Subject: [Developers] Expanded "id": { ... } clauses in MQL
Message-ID: <20091029083937.GA31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>

I'm seeing what seem to be a couple of bugs in MQL with respect to
trying to do things with clauses that have something other than a simple
value for an "id" property.

For example, see http://tinyurl.com/ylemv47

[{
  "type": "/type/type",
  "id": {
    "value":    "/type/lang",
    "optional": "forbidden"
  },
  "name": null
}]

I would expect this to return 100 types which do not have the id
/type/lang, but instead I get

[{
  "id": {
    "value": "/type/lang"
  },
  "name": "Language",
  "type": "/type/type"
}]

Similarly, for http://tinyurl.com/yjoh75r

[{
  "type": "/type/type",
  "id": {
    "value|=": [
      "/type/lang"
    ]
  },
  "name": null
}]

I would expect that to return something with "id": {}, but instead I get

[{
  "id": {
    "value": "/type/lang"
  },
  "name": "Language",
  "type": "/type/type"
}]

Are these bugs, or am I missing something here? (The actual use case I'm
looking at here is a combination of these two: I want to get a set of
objects, but ignoring some with known "bad" IDs)

Cheers,

Phil

-- 
  Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/

From alecf at metaweb.com  Thu Oct 29 19:20:08 2009
From: alecf at metaweb.com (Alec Flett)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:20:08 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Expanded "id": { ... } clauses in MQL
In-Reply-To: <20091029083937.GA31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
References: <20091029083937.GA31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
Message-ID: <386B3209-39D5-4913-A9D5-A85119CE4B9B@metaweb.com>


Good catches!

On Oct 29, 2009, at 1:39 AM, Philip Kendall wrote:
>
> [{
>  "type": "/type/type",
>  "id": {
>    "value":    "/type/lang",
>    "optional": "forbidden"
>  },
>  "name": null
> }]
>
> I would expect this to return 100 types which do not have the id
> /type/lang, but instead I get
>
> [{
>  "id": {
>    "value": "/type/lang"
>  },
>  "name": "Language",
>  "type": "/type/type"
> }]
>

Definitely a bug. Looks like optional:forbidden is kind of broken for  
"id"

> Similarly, for http://tinyurl.com/yjoh75r
>
> [{
>  "type": "/type/type",
>  "id": {
>    "value|=": [
>      "/type/lang"
>    ]
>  },
>  "name": null
> }]
>
> I would expect that to return something with "id": {}, but instead I  
> get
>
> [{
>  "id": {
>    "value": "/type/lang"
>  },
>  "name": "Language",
>  "type": "/type/type"
> }]
>

Are you expecting that because you don't have "value": null in the  
"id" clause?
That sounds like a bug as well.

Go ahead and file them at http://bugs.freebase.com/

> Are these bugs, or am I missing something here? (The actual use case  
> I'm
> looking at here is a combination of these two: I want to get a set of
> objects, but ignoring some with known "bad" IDs)

For that maybe you want:

[{
   "id":     null,
   "a:id!=": "/lang/en",
   "b:id!=": "/lang/fr",
   "id|=": [
     "/lang/en",
     "/lang/hr"
   ]
}]

returns:
   [{
     "id": "/lang/hr"
   }]

>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil
>
> -- 
>  Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
>  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
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From philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk  Thu Oct 29 23:46:54 2009
From: philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk (Philip Kendall)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:46:54 +0000
Subject: [Developers] Expanded "id": { ... } clauses in MQL
In-Reply-To: <386B3209-39D5-4913-A9D5-A85119CE4B9B@metaweb.com>
References: <20091029083937.GA31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<386B3209-39D5-4913-A9D5-A85119CE4B9B@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <20091029234653.GI31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:20:08PM -0700, Alec Flett wrote:

[ ... ]

> Definitely a bug. Looks like optional:forbidden is kind of broken for  
> "id"

The same thing happens for "optional": true as well. FREEBASE-1279

> Are you expecting that because you don't have "value": null in the  
> "id" clause?
> That sounds like a bug as well.

Precisely. FREEBASE-1280.

Cheers,

Phil

-- 
  Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/

From kirrily at metaweb.com  Fri Oct 30 06:08:20 2009
From: kirrily at metaweb.com (Kirrily Robert)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:08:20 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Community meeting on Monday, open to all
Message-ID: <07A926BB-9A6B-4BEA-9CBF-FAC8473C1A94@metaweb.com>

Copied from the blog at http://blog.freebase.com/2009/10/29/freebase-community-meeting-on-monday-open-to-all/

For a little while now we?ve been holding a weekly meeting at Metaweb  
to discuss issues of interest to the Freebase community. Although it?s  
usually just Metaweb staff who attend, the agenda and notes from each  
meeting are available on the Freebase wiki (http://wiki.freebase.com/wiki/Community_meeting 
) and we always welcome contributions/questions/etc from anyone who  
wants to note them on the wiki in advance.

Starting next Monday, and each first Monday of the month after that,  
we will be opening up the meeting to anyone who?s interested. You can  
attend in person or via Skype.

When: 2:30pm PST (GMT-8), Monday November 2nd

Where: Metaweb, 631 Howard St, 4th floor, San Francisco

RSVP: Please email kirrily at metaweb.com before 2pm Monday if you plan  
to attend corporeally or digitally (and provide your Skype username in  
the latter case).

If you?re interested in the Skype option, more information is  
available at http://wiki.freebase.com/wiki/Community_Meeting_via_Skype

Whether you can make it or not, please feel free to check out the  
agenda and add anything you want covered.

-- 
Kirrily Robert
Freebase Community Director
kirrily at metaweb.com




From tfmorris at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 21:21:17 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:21:17 -0400
Subject: [Developers] Conflict History
In-Reply-To: <f27f5ba80910241637t5b732c3lab027e93f67540de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f27f5ba80910241637t5b732c3lab027e93f67540de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c5f3f16f0910301421g16002fd6gda84e1eded0d611f@mail.gmail.com>

Cool app.  For those who read French, there's a little review posted
here http://www.neteco.com/308448-google-map-cartographie-50-siecles-guerres.html
 "50 Centuries of Wars Mapped"  They've got a few quibbles, but they
like it.

Tom

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Thimon <thimon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Its still an alpha version but ready to be posted on the developers list.
> Im building a freebase/googlemaps mashup which allows you to browse the
> timeline of militairy conflicts across the globe:
> http://www.conflicthistory.com (flash player 10 requered)
> The app query's the militairy conflicts type every time the time changes.
> Thimon

From jack.alves at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 22:17:24 2009
From: jack.alves at gmail.com (Jack Alves)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:17:24 -0700
Subject: [Developers] freebase loader recon utility
Message-ID: <554723b0910301517x4b446e7ehe4aa7724a6f4bb49@mail.gmail.com>

  <http://netresearch.ics.uci.edu/>Hi,

I'm tried to load data with the recon service,
http://data.labs.freebase.com/recon/recon.html

Here's a sample of the spreadsheet,

/type/object/name    /type/object/type    /common/topic/webpage
James Arvo    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~arvo/
Pierre Baldi    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~pfbaldi/
Lichun Bao    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~lbao
Lubomir Bic    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~bic/
Elaheh (Eli) Bozorgzadeh    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~eli/
Michael J Carey    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~mjcarey/
Yunan Chen    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~yunanc

I had a few unexpected experiences.

1. The first pass, I pasted the spreadsheet. Then for each person name then
webpage, I selected a match or clicked "not in freebase" if I didn't see a
match. I loaded the data to sandbox but not all people were loaded, and no
webpages were loaded (I clicked "not in freebase" for each webpage during
reconciliation). I copied the "retrieved data" which looked like,

/type/object/name    /type/object/type    /common/topic/webpage    id
James Arvo    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~arvo/
/en/james_arvo
Pierre Baldi    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~pfbaldi/
/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000a894132
Lichun Bao    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~lbao    None
Lubomir Bic    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~bic/
/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000bc57730
Elaheh (Eli) Bozorgzadeh    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~eli/
None
Michael J Carey    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~mjcarey/
None
Yunan Chen    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~yunanc    None

I pasted the retrieved data back into the service thinking a second pass
might be needed to upload the webpage property. I selected "not in freebase"
for each. After the process completed,
http://data.labs.freebase.com/freeq/spreadsheet/1520

I noticed people like James Arvo that were in the system prior to my load
got a weblink with id "None". Then I remembered webpage is a CVT. Then I
noticed that the "retrieved data" I pasted had None in the id column.



What I don't understand is,

1. Why didn't new entries get created for people not in freebase?
2. Why weren't webpages loaded the first pass?
3. Why did a weblink property get added showing id None (
http://www.sandbox-freebase.com/view/en/None)?

I'll try webpage again with the correct property id for a CVT. What do I
need to do to create new entries for people?

thanks

Jack
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From jack.alves at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 23:14:20 2009
From: jack.alves at gmail.com (Jack Alves)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:14:20 -0700
Subject: [Developers] freebase loader recon utility
In-Reply-To: <554723b0910301517x4b446e7ehe4aa7724a6f4bb49@mail.gmail.com>
References: <554723b0910301517x4b446e7ehe4aa7724a6f4bb49@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <554723b0910301614y46f66faq37e7ee6f25fa2fb0@mail.gmail.com>

A few updates:

I fixed the webpage cvt property and was able to load weblinks for people
who were originally in freebase. My data had id for them.

I discovered people I tried to create did get created but, autocomplete and
search do not list these people. I discovered they were added by trying the
"import list" button for /people/person on the freebase.com user interface.
Entries appear for the people and when I clicked on them I went to a page
that showed they were added by me, and they had a webpage called None.

I tried updating weblinks for the newly created people but the recon tool
doesn't list them. So I can't update the weblinks.

My original data is in JSON format. I created a CSV to try this recon tool.
Is there an import/recon tool that takes JSON or do I need to write a script
and use the recon service?

Jack



On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Jack Alves <jack.alves at gmail.com> wrote:

>  <http://netresearch.ics.uci.edu/>Hi,
>
> I'm tried to load data with the recon service,
> http://data.labs.freebase.com/recon/recon.html
>
> Here's a sample of the spreadsheet,
>
> /type/object/name    /type/object/type    /common/topic/webpage
> James Arvo    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~arvo/<http://www.ics.uci.edu/%7Earvo/>
> Pierre Baldi    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~pfbaldi/<http://www.ics.uci.edu/%7Epfbaldi/>
> Lichun Bao    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~lbao<http://www.ics.uci.edu/%7Elbao>
> Lubomir Bic    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~bic/<http://www.ics.uci.edu/%7Ebic/>
> Elaheh (Eli) Bozorgzadeh    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~eli/<http://www.ics.uci.edu/%7Eeli/>
> Michael J Carey    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~mjcarey/<http://www.ics.uci.edu/%7Emjcarey/>
> Yunan Chen    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~yunanc<http://www.ics.uci.edu/%7Eyunanc>
>
> I had a few unexpected experiences.
>
> 1. The first pass, I pasted the spreadsheet. Then for each person name then
> webpage, I selected a match or clicked "not in freebase" if I didn't see a
> match. I loaded the data to sandbox but not all people were loaded, and no
> webpages were loaded (I clicked "not in freebase" for each webpage during
> reconciliation). I copied the "retrieved data" which looked like,
>
> /type/object/name    /type/object/type    /common/topic/webpage    id
> James Arvo    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~arvo/<http://www.ics.uci.edu/%7Earvo/>
> /en/james_arvo
> Pierre Baldi    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~pfbaldi/<http://www.ics.uci.edu/%7Epfbaldi/>
> /guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000a894132
> Lichun Bao    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~lbao<http://www.ics.uci.edu/%7Elbao>
> None
> Lubomir Bic    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~bic/<http://www.ics.uci.edu/%7Ebic/>
> /guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000bc57730
> Elaheh (Eli) Bozorgzadeh    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~eli/<http://www.ics.uci.edu/%7Eeli/>
> None
> Michael J Carey    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~mjcarey/<http://www.ics.uci.edu/%7Emjcarey/>
> None
> Yunan Chen    /people/person    http://www.ics.uci.edu/~yunanc<http://www.ics.uci.edu/%7Eyunanc>
> None
>
> I pasted the retrieved data back into the service thinking a second pass
> might be needed to upload the webpage property. I selected "not in freebase"
> for each. After the process completed,
> http://data.labs.freebase.com/freeq/spreadsheet/1520
>
> I noticed people like James Arvo that were in the system prior to my load
> got a weblink with id "None". Then I remembered webpage is a CVT. Then I
> noticed that the "retrieved data" I pasted had None in the id column.
>
>
>
> What I don't understand is,
>
> 1. Why didn't new entries get created for people not in freebase?
> 2. Why weren't webpages loaded the first pass?
> 3. Why did a weblink property get added showing id None (
> http://www.sandbox-freebase.com/view/en/None)?
>
> I'll try webpage again with the correct property id for a CVT. What do I
> need to do to create new entries for people?
>
> thanks
>
> Jack
>
>
>
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From tfmorris at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 23:22:21 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:22:21 -0400
Subject: [Developers] freebase loader recon utility
In-Reply-To: <554723b0910301614y46f66faq37e7ee6f25fa2fb0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <554723b0910301517x4b446e7ehe4aa7724a6f4bb49@mail.gmail.com>
	<554723b0910301614y46f66faq37e7ee6f25fa2fb0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c5f3f16f0910301622h22e13667o2a68adf2002946e1@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Jack Alves <jack.alves at gmail.com> wrote:

> I discovered people I tried to create did get created but, autocomplete and
> search do not list these people. I discovered they were added by trying the
> "import list" button for /people/person on the freebase.com user interface.
> Entries appear for the people and when I clicked on them I went to a page
> that showed they were added by me, and they had a webpage called None.

Two possibilities:
- Updating the search index is asynchronous.  Usually it happens
pretty quickly, but it can be delayed and there also seem to be some
recent caching foibles that could be affecting you.
- Many parts of the freebase.com client depend on things being typed
with /common/topic to work properly.  I don't know if you added this
type, or if the recon service adds it automatically, but it's another
thing to check.

Tom

From jack.alves at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 00:08:29 2009
From: jack.alves at gmail.com (Jack Alves)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:08:29 -0700
Subject: [Developers] freebase loader recon utility
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0910301622h22e13667o2a68adf2002946e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <554723b0910301517x4b446e7ehe4aa7724a6f4bb49@mail.gmail.com>
	<554723b0910301614y46f66faq37e7ee6f25fa2fb0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c5f3f16f0910301622h22e13667o2a68adf2002946e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <554723b0910301708gaf5d568l32f52e3a5833716d@mail.gmail.com>

Possibility number 2 is correct. I was just about send another email asking
if the recon tool is suppose to add included types. It currently is not
adding included types. I discovered this when I queried for one of the names
and found duplicates, none of them were typed /common/topic.

Seeing duplicates suggests that the recon tool also does not find topics
that are not typed /common/topic because when I do an import the existing
topic doesn't appear (not in the top 40 suggestions).

jack



On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Tom Morris <tfmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Jack Alves <jack.alves at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I discovered people I tried to create did get created but, autocomplete
> and
> > search do not list these people. I discovered they were added by trying
> the
> > "import list" button for /people/person on the freebase.com user
> interface.
> > Entries appear for the people and when I clicked on them I went to a page
> > that showed they were added by me, and they had a webpage called None.
>
> Two possibilities:
> - Updating the search index is asynchronous.  Usually it happens
> pretty quickly, but it can be delayed and there also seem to be some
> recent caching foibles that could be affecting you.
> - Many parts of the freebase.com client depend on things being typed
> with /common/topic to work properly.  I don't know if you added this
> type, or if the recon service adds it automatically, but it's another
> thing to check.
>
> Tom
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From thelevybreaks at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 01:38:57 2009
From: thelevybreaks at gmail.com (James Alexander Levy)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:38:57 -0700
Subject: [Developers] seed fb-suggest with a collection of guids (Dae
	Park)
Message-ID: <8212a4320910301838h4ddd43a2y5cd2786bae174aa0@mail.gmail.com>

>
> If I understand you correctly, there is a freebase suggest plugin that
> might accomplish what you are looking for:
>
> http://freebaselibs.com/static/suggest/1.0.1/plugins/#suggesttype
>
> It's not really document very well but you can pass in a {mql_query:
> [{...}]} option (instead of {type: ...} option)
>


I'd seen the suggesttype plugin, but I never understood that I'd use to
avoid making more than one ajax request.

I'm not using suggesttype with some modifications, and it's working nicely.
I'm also hitting the query URL for each profile a couple times a day to keep
it cached.

Thanks for your help!

-- 
James Alexander Levy
(925) Jam-Levy
http://www.jamtoday.org
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From rictic at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 03:20:13 2009
From: rictic at gmail.com (Peter Burns)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:20:13 -0700
Subject: [Developers] freebase loader recon utility
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On Oct 30, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Jack Alves wrote:

> Possibility number 2 is correct. I was just about send another email  
> asking if the recon tool is suppose to add included types. It  
> currently is not adding included types. I discovered this when I  
> queried for one of the names and found duplicates, none of them were  
> typed /common/topic.
>

It is supposed to add included types.  Thanks for bringing that up.  A  
recent change broke that feature, I've just rolled out a fix.

> My original data is in JSON format. I created a CSV to try this  
> recon tool. Is there an import/recon tool that takes JSON or do I  
> need to write a script and use the recon service?


I'm working on code right now to accept JSON data in freebase loader.   
The idea is that you'd just paste in an array of mql-query looking  
objects.  This is one example that works today:

[{"/type/object/name": "Blade Runner",
  "/type/object/type": "/film/film",
  "/film/film/directed_by": {"/type/object/name": "Ridley Scott"}}]

It's very experimental, so I can't certify that more complex examples  
will work.  I'm building a suite of unit tests though, so if you've  
got some JSON that it fails on, raise your voice and I can add it in.

--Peter


>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Tom Morris <tfmorris at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Jack Alves <jack.alves at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>
> > I discovered people I tried to create did get created but,  
> autocomplete and
> > search do not list these people. I discovered they were added by  
> trying the
> > "import list" button for /people/person on the freebase.com user  
> interface.
> > Entries appear for the people and when I clicked on them I went to  
> a page
> > that showed they were added by me, and they had a webpage called  
> None.
>
> Two possibilities:
> - Updating the search index is asynchronous.  Usually it happens
> pretty quickly, but it can be delayed and there also seem to be some
> recent caching foibles that could be affecting you.
> - Many parts of the freebase.com client depend on things being typed
> with /common/topic to work properly.  I don't know if you added this
> type, or if the recon service adds it automatically, but it's another
> thing to check.
>
> Tom
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From ma at zive.at  Sat Oct 31 19:02:11 2009
From: ma at zive.at (Michael Aufreiter)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:02:11 +0100
Subject: [Developers]
 =?windows-1252?q?ASKKEN=99_-_Visual_Knowledge_Browse?=
 =?windows-1252?q?r?=
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Hey!

Glad you like it ;) And thank you for your suggestions!

As stated ASK KEN is work in progress.
I already had a look at the new Topic API. And it's definitely what I  
need to get better results for populating the ring-chart!
Using the Topic API would also reduce the number of queries per  
request from three (mqlread for the connections, another mqlread for  
the weblinks, and one against the raw service to get the description)  
to just one.

I'm going to update the Ken Ruby Library asap, so that it also wraps  
the new Topic API.
ASK KEN will then make use of it ;)

@Michael
I'm aware about certain dead ends and I'm trying to get rid of them.  
You can expect that to be fixed in the next release ;)

@Reilly
Sure, navigation through CVT's would make sense. I'm examining...

@Tim
Good point, I'll think about it.. ;)


- Michael

Btw: In case you have a Github account... it would be great if you  
could just post your suggestions/bugreports to the github.com issue  
tracker? so I can better keep track of them ;)
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From jack.alves at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 22:44:56 2009
From: jack.alves at gmail.com (Jack Alves)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:44:56 -0700
Subject: [Developers] freebase loader recon utility
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Fabulous. Here are some commetns and feature requests. Let me know if you
want me to submit them via an online form in addition to this email,

(in no particular order)

1. Allow a threshold to be set so only suggestions above the threshold are
displayed.

2. Put the "skip" and "not in freebase" buttons at the top so they don't
move when the next set of suggestions is displayed. For my data set, most
topics were not in freebase as I expected. So I did a lot of clicking on
"not in freebase". It was more difficult because when a different number of
suggestions appeared the buttons moved.

3. It would be super helpful to get the ids created by the write. Could the
status page display a list of topics and their ids and/or the write results?
For my current dataset loading project I will do an iterative process adding
different sets of properties at each iteration. With a list of topics and
ids I could insert them into my master data source that has all topics and
properties. I've done this In the past using the excel Lookup function to
extract ids from a sheet of unique names and ids.

It would be even better if I could submit my full dataset but only reconcile
topic ids, then get output of my entire dataset with an extra column that
has ids. It warms my heart to even imagine this feature.

4. Offer an option to suggest merges only if the name is exactly the same.
My test load included URIs. So I wanted to create new webpages unless there
was an exact match. Even in other cases, limiting suggestions to exact name
matches could be useful.

5. Some kind of batch operation would be helpful in cases where the user
expects many of the topics need to be created. For instance, I'm loading a
list of university faculty. I expect most will not be in freebase. If recon
generated a list of topics in the data set that did not have exact matches,
along with the top one or two suggested merges, I could checkbox items
quickly to request a bulk "not in freebase" operation. I could skip the rest
and do them one by one.

6. I tried "skip" and don't know what it did. I would like for "skip" to
generate a separate CSV list based on my input.

7. I don't know what happens if I submit a row with an id and the name
doesn't match. I would like for that to fail, or ask if I really want to
rename the topic. I still don't understand what the loader wrote when I
pasted rows with "None" in the id column. Something must have been written
because the user interface displayed a url with "/en/None" .

8. Trim whitespace lines from the bottom of the list. I pasted a list from
Excel which had a few blank lines at the bottom. The initial recon page
showed only the last item on the list and detected the blank lines as
additional properties of the last item.

9. The page displayed by the Upload button shows,  "status_url": "http:\/\/
data.labs.freebase.com\/spreadsheet\/1535". That link is missing "freeq".
The status is at "/freeq/spreadsheet/1535". It would also be better to
remove the "\" chars so the link could be pasted into the browser. Even
better if the page wrote a clickable link.

10. I wanted to add UC Irvine as an employer for all people in the list. I
didn't want to reconcile each instance. I tried to use an id in a property
column.

/type/object/name    id    /type/object/type
/people/person/employment_history:/business/employment_tenure/company
David G. Kay    /guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000fca079d    /people/person
/en/university_of_california_irvine

Retrieve Your Data listed an extra column in the header row, the property
with ":id" appended. That column did not have data.

 /people/person/employment_history:/business/employment_tenure/company:id

I tried again using the ":id" syntax as a column header with my original
data and it worked. This is a nice feature it just wasn't clear in the
documenation <http://wiki.freebase.com/wiki/Freebase_Loader>. Number 9 in
the known issues section refers to using the id but it wasn't clear how.


11. The url listed in the web service
doc<http://data.labs.freebase.com/recon/>shows "
http://www.mqlx.com/reconciliation/query". It should be,
http://data.labs.freebase.com/recon/query

12. Is there a way to request additional information about an object using
the web service? For instance, {"/type/object/name":"Jack
Alves","/people/person/date_of_birth":null}. When reconciling people it may
help to know things related to the results like the age of the person. I
understand the service returns an id that could be used to query again for
more info.


Jack



On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Peter Burns <rictic at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Oct 30, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Jack Alves wrote:
>
> Possibility number 2 is correct. I was just about send another email asking
> if the recon tool is suppose to add included types. It currently is not
> adding included types. I discovered this when I queried for one of the names
> and found duplicates, none of them were typed /common/topic.
>
>
> It is supposed to add included types.  Thanks for bringing that up.  A
> recent change broke that feature, I've just rolled out a fix.
>
>
> My original data is in JSON format. I created a CSV to try this recon tool.
> Is there an import/recon tool that takes JSON or do I need to write a script
> and use the recon service?
>
>
> I'm working on code right now to accept JSON data in freebase loader.  The
> idea is that you'd just paste in an array of mql-query looking objects.
>  This is one example that works today:
>
> [{"/type/object/name": "Blade Runner",
>  "/type/object/type": "/film/film",
>  "/film/film/directed_by": {"/type/object/name": "Ridley Scott"}}]
>
> It's very experimental, so I can't certify that more complex examples will
> work.  I'm building a suite of unit tests though, so if you've got some JSON
> that it fails on, raise your voice and I can add it in.
>
> --Peter
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Tom Morris <tfmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Jack Alves <jack.alves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I discovered people I tried to create did get created but, autocomplete
>> and
>> > search do not list these people. I discovered they were added by trying
>> the
>> > "import list" button for /people/person on the freebase.com user
>> interface.
>> > Entries appear for the people and when I clicked on them I went to a
>> page
>> > that showed they were added by me, and they had a webpage called None.
>>
>> Two possibilities:
>> - Updating the search index is asynchronous.  Usually it happens
>> pretty quickly, but it can be delayed and there also seem to be some
>> recent caching foibles that could be affecting you.
>> - Many parts of the freebase.com client depend on things being typed
>> with /common/topic to work properly.  I don't know if you added this
>> type, or if the recon service adds it automatically, but it's another
>> thing to check.
>>
>> Tom
>> _______________________________________________
>> Developers mailing list
>> Developers at freebase.com
>> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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