From thimon at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 15:27:27 2009
From: thimon at gmail.com (Thimon)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:27:27 +0100
Subject: [Developers] Conflict History
In-Reply-To: <A8FC5534-EEAC-4B51-B0D9-C1676588E11E@metaweb.com>
References: <f27f5ba80910241637t5b732c3lab027e93f67540de@mail.gmail.com>
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	<f27f5ba80910271555h1b24e3efj7ca2fa78a0cd0c1f@mail.gmail.com>
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Yeah 'play' will be nice! Got it on my Todo list now.

Thimon



On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Kirrily Robert <kirrily at metaweb.com> wrote:

> On 28/10/2009, at 7:59 AM, Spencer Kelly wrote:
>
> > wicked app thimon,
> > cool feature would be just to press play. Infact it'd be cool to see
> > this with any type, map+timeline is a really awesome idea.
> > its like call of duty! does it predict future events? ;)
>
> Oh yes please!  "Press play" would be the killer feature for this.
>
> K.
>
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From thimon at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 15:31:02 2009
From: thimon at gmail.com (Thimon)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:31:02 +0100
Subject: [Developers] Conflict History
In-Reply-To: <0215A5CB-17CD-46B2-9FD1-C2D2F34607C8@metaweb.com>
References: <f27f5ba80910241637t5b732c3lab027e93f67540de@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <f27f5ba80911010731n1f69fbe5s7c9002cfa208729e@mail.gmail.com>

This was a bug. Thanks for finding it. Got it now fixed and a lot of new
conflicts are appearing on the end of the timeline.

Thanks again,
Thimon


On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Gordon Mackenzie <gordon at metaweb.com>wrote:

> There was no ending date for the main topic, I added it, it is now
> appearing.
>
> Any event that has no start or end date will not resolve in your flash app.
> A problem with our data that will require some adding correct dates on
> Freebase (is the simple answer).
>
> Info popup when clicking on the 'i' con is working now. Hmm, my firefox may
> be not functioning as well as I like, with too many tabs open.
>
> ~ Gordon
>
> <<< gordon at metaweb.com >>>
>
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Thimon wrote:
>
> Thank you. I did a bit of searching and found the American
> Revolutionary war here:
> http://www.conflicthistory.com/#/period/1776-1786/conflict/+en+american_revolutionary_war
> .
> Strange it is not working well on  3.5.3. I will have a look at it.
>
> Thanks,
> Thimon
>
> <http://www.conflicthistory.com/#/period/1776-1786/conflict/+en+american_revolutionary_war>
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Gordon Mackenzie <gordon at metaweb.com>wrote:
>
>> Great looking application.
>>
>> Not getting the infobox appearing in firefox 3.5.3, but does work very
>> well in Chrome.
>>
>> I cannot get the American Revolutionary War to appear, just the topic for
>> the Treaty of Alliance
>>
>>  ~ Gordon
>>
>> <<< gordon at metaweb.com >>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Thimon wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Its still an alpha version but ready to be posted on the developers list.
>> Im building a freebase/googlemaps mashup which allows you to browse the
>> timeline of militairy conflicts across the globe:
>> http://www.conflicthistory.com (flash player 10 requered)
>> The app query's the militairy conflicts type every time the time changes.
>>
>> Thimon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From ma at zive.at  Mon Nov  2 00:46:30 2009
From: ma at zive.at (Michael Aufreiter)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:46:30 +0100
Subject: [Developers] Ken 0.2.0 (Ruby Freebase Lib) now also wraps the new
	Topic API
Message-ID: <B4086909-8128-47EE-9B0A-244A736DE9A2@zive.at>

I just added support for the new Topic API to the Ken Ruby Library (http://github.com/michael/ken 
). As usual the library wraps the JSON result of the web service to  
convenient Ruby Objects.

The wrapped Topic API may be a good starting point for those who wanna  
get going with Ruby and Freebase. It should now be even easier to  
build simple Ruby Freebase apps (based on the Topic API).

Next steps are:
- Support for mediator properties ('CVT') / I need to find a way to  
wrap them appropriately.
	- e.g. Ken::Topic.get("/en/bill_clinton").attribute("/people/person/ 
education").values #=> could return the concrete mediators either  
modelled as a Ken::Topic or using it's own Ken::Mediator class
- Make use of the updated library in the ASKKEN browser (http://askken.heroku.com 
)


Comments/Suggestions/Bugreports (ideally posted to the Github issue  
tracker) very welcome ;)

Regards,
Michael


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From philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk  Mon Nov  2 08:02:19 2009
From: philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk (Philip Kendall)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:02:19 +0000
Subject: [Developers] eMQL questions
Message-ID: <20091102080219.GS31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>

1) Is there a way for an eMQL adapter to get access to the outer
   envelope of the query that is being processed? The use case I'm
   looking at here is where an adapter is going to be making a query
   back into Freebase, and it would like to pass down the same
   as_of_time envelope parameter as the original.

2) Is there a way for an eMQL adapter to signal an error in any way? For
   example, my random hack
   <http://acre.freebase.com/#app=/user/pak21/emql&file=random_adapter>
   shouldn't be passed anything other than an integer as its right-hand
   side, and it would be nice to give a friendly error message to
   the user if something else is given.

Cheers,

Phil

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  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/

From vajda at metaweb.com  Mon Nov  2 09:08:47 2009
From: vajda at metaweb.com (Andi Vajda)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:08:47 -0800
Subject: [Developers] eMQL questions
In-Reply-To: <20091102080219.GS31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
References: <20091102080219.GS31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
Message-ID: <983118D9-F276-4384-816D-0D30FBFEFAD6@metaweb.com>


On Nov 2, 2009, at 0:02, Philip Kendall <philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk 
 > wrote:

> 1) Is there a way for an eMQL adapter to get access to the outer
>   envelope of the query that is being processed? The use case I'm
>   looking at here is where an adapter is going to be making a query
>   back into Freebase, and it would like to pass down the same
>   as_of_time envelope parameter as the original.

No, not at the moment but that could be added.
Then, you may not need it at all if you can do this back query via MQL  
insertions from the 'pre' phase to be run with the main query before  
the 'fetch' phase.

> 2) Is there a way for an eMQL adapter to signal an error in any way?  
> For
>   example, my random hack
>   <http://acre.freebase.com/#app=/user/pak21/emql&file=random_adapter>
>   shouldn't be passed anything other than an integer as its right-hand
>   side, and it would be nice to give a friendly error message to
>   the user if something else is given.

You can raise an error in your Acre script. That's going to be  
propagated to the user but it may not be very pretty at the moment.  
Errors in adapters are propagated.
You can also return a 'fetch' or 'reduce' phase result that is in fact  
an error message of your choice.

Andi..

>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil
>
> -- 
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>  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/
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From jason at metaweb.com  Mon Nov  2 17:49:37 2009
From: jason at metaweb.com (Jason Douglas)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:49:37 -0800
Subject: [Developers] eMQL questions
In-Reply-To: <983118D9-F276-4384-816D-0D30FBFEFAD6@metaweb.com>
References: <20091102080219.GS31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<983118D9-F276-4384-816D-0D30FBFEFAD6@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <0C071025-91DB-4E4B-A30E-7D59B8293751@metaweb.com>

On Nov 2, 2009, at 1:08 AM, Andi Vajda wrote:
>
>> 2) Is there a way for an eMQL adapter to signal an error in any way?
>> For
>>  example, my random hack
>>  <http://acre.freebase.com/#app=/user/pak21/emql&file=random_adapter>
>>  shouldn't be passed anything other than an integer as its right-hand
>>  side, and it would be nice to give a friendly error message to
>>  the user if something else is given.
>
> You can raise an error in your Acre script. That's going to be
> propagated to the user but it may not be very pretty at the moment.

We are working on an Acre library, that among other things, will  
automatically package Acre errors more like MQL errors.

-jason

From paul at ontology2.com  Mon Nov  2 22:04:16 2009
From: paul at ontology2.com (Paul Houle)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:04:16 -0500
Subject: [Developers] What the hell is Juggle?
In-Reply-To: <0C071025-91DB-4E4B-A30E-7D59B8293751@metaweb.com>
References: <20091102080219.GS31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>	<983118D9-F276-4384-816D-0D30FBFEFAD6@metaweb.com>
	<0C071025-91DB-4E4B-A30E-7D59B8293751@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <4AEF5760.4040108@ontology2.com>

    "Juggle" seems to be one of the most popular types in Freebase,  but 
I've got not idea what it is.  What is it?


From philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk  Mon Nov  2 22:11:57 2009
From: philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk (Philip Kendall)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:11:57 +0000
Subject: [Developers] What the hell is Juggle?
In-Reply-To: <4AEF5760.4040108@ontology2.com>
References: <4AEF5760.4040108@ontology2.com>
Message-ID: <20091102221157.GD31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>

On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 05:04:16PM -0500, Paul Houle wrote:
>     "Juggle" seems to be one of the most popular types in Freebase,  but 
> I've got not idea what it is.  What is it?

http://www.juggle.com/

Cheers,

Phil

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  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/

From tyler at metaweb.com  Mon Nov  2 23:02:21 2009
From: tyler at metaweb.com (Tyler Pirtle)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:02:21 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Expanded "id": { ... } clauses in MQL
In-Reply-To: <386B3209-39D5-4913-A9D5-A85119CE4B9B@metaweb.com>
References: <20091029083937.GA31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<386B3209-39D5-4913-A9D5-A85119CE4B9B@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <4AEF64FD.5070401@metaweb.com>

>
> For that maybe you want:
>
> [{
>   "id":     null,
>   "a:id!=": "/lang/en",
>   "b:id!=": "/lang/fr",
>   "id|=": [
>     "/lang/en",
>     "/lang/hr"
>   ]
> }]
>
> returns:
>   [{
>     "id": "/lang/hr"
>   }]
>

Phil,

Did this query work out for you? I realize it's not optimal, you'll have to
list out each id prefixed with _:id!=, but does it get the job done?

There is a fix coming for this, but it's in a major revision of MQL thats
soon to be released. Let me know if you're still stuck and we'll figure
it out.



Tyler


From philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk  Mon Nov  2 23:08:41 2009
From: philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk (Philip Kendall)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:08:41 +0000
Subject: [Developers] Expanded "id": { ... } clauses in MQL
In-Reply-To: <4AEF64FD.5070401@metaweb.com>
References: <20091029083937.GA31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<386B3209-39D5-4913-A9D5-A85119CE4B9B@metaweb.com>
	<4AEF64FD.5070401@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <20091102230841.GF31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>

On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 03:02:21PM -0800, Tyler Pirtle wrote:
> 
> Did this query work out for you? I realize it's not optimal, you'll have to
> list out each id prefixed with _:id!=, but does it get the job done?

I'm currently working around the issue by filtering out the unwanted IDs
post-query in Acre, which is good enough for me, if not optimal.

Cheers,

Phil

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  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/

From iainsproat at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 15:41:50 2009
From: iainsproat at gmail.com (Iain Sproat)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:41:50 +0400
Subject: [Developers] Typewriter scores
Message-ID: <f70332fb0911030741u38f1c99aq43204eafdfff9874@mail.gmail.com>

I was wondering if there is an app/service that exposed the
score/probabilities which are used to create the data for the
typewriter app?  I would like to feed in a topic id and have it return
a list of most likely types that it could be typed with and the
associated probability/score.  Is something like this available?

Iain

From paul at ontology2.com  Tue Nov  3 16:06:05 2009
From: paul at ontology2.com (Paul Houle)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:06:05 -0500
Subject: [Developers] What the hell is Juggle?
In-Reply-To: <20091102221157.GD31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
References: <4AEF5760.4040108@ontology2.com>
	<20091102221157.GD31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
Message-ID: <4AF054ED.4010507@ontology2.com>

Philip Kendall wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 05:04:16PM -0500, Paul Houle wrote:
>   
>>     "Juggle" seems to be one of the most popular types in Freebase,  but 
>> I've got not idea what it is.  What is it?
>>     
>
> http://www.juggle.com/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil
>   
    Cool site.

    Looking at the schema, 

http://www.freebase.com/type/schema/user/juggleapp/juggle/juggle

    it looks like it contains a "score".  Is this the score that's used 
to compute "Top 5" lists like the ones I see at

http://www.juggle.com/language-arts ?

    I also don't see the scores,  and note that there's a "hidden" 
attribute in the schema,  so is it right to say that Juggle is using the 
Juggle type to store private data inside of Freebase?


From philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk  Tue Nov  3 16:24:41 2009
From: philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk (Philip Kendall)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:24:41 +0000
Subject: [Developers] What the hell is Juggle?
In-Reply-To: <4AF054ED.4010507@ontology2.com>
References: <4AEF5760.4040108@ontology2.com>
	<20091102221157.GD31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
	<4AF054ED.4010507@ontology2.com>
Message-ID: <20091103162441.GL31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>

On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 11:06:05AM -0500, Paul Houle wrote:
> 
>     I also don't see the scores,  and note that there's a "hidden" 
> attribute in the schema,  so is it right to say that Juggle is using the 
> Juggle type to store private data inside of Freebase?

No :-)

Firstly, all the "hidden" attribute means is that it doesn't display in
the Freebase web client. The data is still accessible via MQL (or
Explore Mode).

Secondly, they don't actually seem to have filled in the score or
scoredate properties for any topics <http://tinyurl.com/yz8t7ot>

Cheers,

Phil

-- 
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  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/

From paul at ontology2.com  Tue Nov  3 17:21:00 2009
From: paul at ontology2.com (Paul Houle)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:21:00 -0500
Subject: [Developers] What the hell is Juggle?
In-Reply-To: <20091103162441.GL31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
References: <4AEF5760.4040108@ontology2.com>	<20091102221157.GD31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>	<4AF054ED.4010507@ontology2.com>
	<20091103162441.GL31466@sphinx.int.mythic-beasts.com>
Message-ID: <4AF0667C.6020601@ontology2.com>

Philip Kendall wrote:
>
> Firstly, all the "hidden" attribute means is that it doesn't display in
> the Freebase web client. The data is still accessible via MQL (or
> Explore Mode).
>
> Secondly, they don't actually seem to have filled in the score or
> scoredate properties for any topics <http://tinyurl.com/yz8t7ot>
>   
    That could be pretty useful.  Pretty often I have a list of 10-100k 
or so items and I'd like to rank them by "importance";  I've got a lot 
of tricks up my sleeves for this,  but I'm always happy to see a new score.

From tfmorris at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 18:22:28 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:22:28 -0500
Subject: [Developers] mql_filter for geosearch API?
Message-ID: <c5f3f16f0911031022o6db3e9ebn51387a62b6c9cdaf@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone have a working example of using the mql_filter parameter with
the geosearch API?  I can't for the life of me figure out why the
following doesn't work:

    mql_filter = [{"type" : "/base/usnris/nris_listing",
                   "significance_level":"National"
    }]
    just_checking = session.mqlread(mql_filter)
    response = session.geosearch(location=r.id,
type='/base/usnris/nris_listing',
                                 mql_filter = mql_filter,
                                 within=50.0,order_by='distance', limit=10)

The second statement works just fine, but the same query used as a
filter in the third statement gives the following error, not matter
how many different ways I try to format it.

{
  "status": "400 Bad Request",
  "code": "/api/status/error",
  "messages": [{
    "code": "/api/status/error/geosearch",
    "message": "Parameter mql_filter: invalid JSON:
'[{'significance_level': 'National', 'type':
'/base/usnris/nris_listing'}]'",
    "error": "ParameterError"}],
  "transaction_id": "cache;cache01.sandbox.sjc1:8101;2009-11-03T18:19:52Z;0002"
}

Tom

From vajda at metaweb.com  Tue Nov  3 19:44:45 2009
From: vajda at metaweb.com (Andi Vajda)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:44:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Developers] mql_filter for geosearch API?
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0911031022o6db3e9ebn51387a62b6c9cdaf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c5f3f16f0911031022o6db3e9ebn51387a62b6c9cdaf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.OSX.2.01.0911031119530.31702@dhcp-wired-097.corp.631h.metaweb.com>


On Tue, 3 Nov 2009, Tom Morris wrote:

> Anyone have a working example of using the mql_filter parameter with
> the geosearch API?  I can't for the life of me figure out why the
> following doesn't work:
>
>    mql_filter = [{"type" : "/base/usnris/nris_listing",
>                   "significance_level":"National"
>    }]
>    just_checking = session.mqlread(mql_filter)
>    response = session.geosearch(location=r.id,
> type='/base/usnris/nris_listing',
>                                 mql_filter = mql_filter,
>                                 within=50.0,order_by='distance', limit=10)
>
> The second statement works just fine, but the same query used as a
> filter in the third statement gives the following error, not matter
> how many different ways I try to format it.

Guessing what your query is, this seems to work just fine:
http://api.freebase.com/api/service/geosearch?location=/en/san_francisco&within=50&type=/base/usnris/nris_listing&indent=1&limit=10&mql_filter=[{%22type%22:%20%22/base/usnris/nris_listing%22,%20%22significance_level%22:%20%22National%22}]
http://api.freebase.com/api/service/geosearch?location=/en/san_francisco&within=50&type=/base/usnris/nris_listing&indent=1&limit=10&mql_filter=[{%22type%22:%20%22/base/usnris/nris_listing%22,%20%22significance_level%22:%20%22National%22}]&debug=1

Andi..

>
> {
>  "status": "400 Bad Request",
>  "code": "/api/status/error",
>  "messages": [{
>    "code": "/api/status/error/geosearch",
>    "message": "Parameter mql_filter: invalid JSON:
> '[{'significance_level': 'National', 'type':
> '/base/usnris/nris_listing'}]'",
>    "error": "ParameterError"}],
>  "transaction_id": "cache;cache01.sandbox.sjc1:8101;2009-11-03T18:19:52Z;0002"
> }
>
> Tom
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From stefano at metaweb.com  Tue Nov  3 20:16:12 2009
From: stefano at metaweb.com (Stefano Mazzocchi)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:16:12 -0800
Subject: [Developers] jquery-acre integration utilities
Message-ID: <4AF08F8C.7020102@metaweb.com>

It's very easy to use jquery in Acre apps, but there are certain things 
that one tends to do over and over when creating new apps, so I spent a 
little time today and organized all jquery-related utilities into a 
single acre app that you can use for all your jquery needs.

Find it at

  http://jquery.freebaseapps.com/

and read how to use it there.

If you want/need more functionality or plugins connected, just let me 
know and I'll add them.

NOTE: the acre default library at http://default.freebaseapps.com/ now 
uses the jquery utilities library for the jquery-related activities but 
it's completely back compatible, you don't need to change anything in 
your code, the defaults templates will just transparently pass thru to 
the jquery ones.

Enjoy!

-- 
Stefano Mazzocchi                              Application Catalyst
Metaweb Technologies, Inc.                      stefano at metaweb.com
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From stefano at metaweb.com  Tue Nov  3 20:22:06 2009
From: stefano at metaweb.com (Stefano Mazzocchi)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:22:06 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Typewriter scores
In-Reply-To: <f70332fb0911030741u38f1c99aq43204eafdfff9874@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f70332fb0911030741u38f1c99aq43204eafdfff9874@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AF090EE.3000902@metaweb.com>

Iain Sproat wrote:
> I was wondering if there is an app/service that exposed the
> score/probabilities which are used to create the data for the
> typewriter app?  I would like to feed in a topic id and have it return
> a list of most likely types that it could be typed with and the
> associated probability/score.  Is something like this available?

It is possible to obtain a list of typewriter questions for a given 
topic, but no score and probabilities.

Not sure that's enough for what you want but it's available now (and 
it's what the client uses to show you guesses for topics)

-- 
Stefano Mazzocchi                              Application Catalyst
Metaweb Technologies, Inc.                      stefano at metaweb.com
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From tfmorris at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 21:32:47 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:32:47 -0500
Subject: [Developers] mql_filter for geosearch API?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.OSX.2.01.0911031119530.31702@dhcp-wired-097.corp.631h.metaweb.com>
References: <c5f3f16f0911031022o6db3e9ebn51387a62b6c9cdaf@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.OSX.2.01.0911031119530.31702@dhcp-wired-097.corp.631h.metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <c5f3f16f0911031332w36644b13h5473829976a8e272@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Andi Vajda <vajda at metaweb.com> wrote:

> Guessing what your query is, this seems to work just fine:
> http://api.freebase.com/api/service/geosearch?location=/en/san_francisco&within=50&type=/base/usnris/nris_listing&indent=1&limit=10&mql_filter=[{%22type%22:%20%22/base/usnris/nris_listing%22,%20%22significance_level%22:%20%22National%22}]
> http://api.freebase.com/api/service/geosearch?location=/en/san_francisco&within=50&type=/base/usnris/nris_listing&indent=1&limit=10&mql_filter=[{%22type%22:%20%22/base/usnris/nris_listing%22,%20%22significance_level%22:%20%22National%22}]&debug=1
>

Thanks for the quick response Andi.  That's not the URL that the
Python library generates, so I guess that's where the problem lies.
It doesn't look like any of mql_input, mql_output, or mql_filter will
work the way it is set up now.

I'll submit a patch with the fix.  I couldn't figure out where the
unit tests for this part of the API were, so I just patched the code,
not the tests.

Tom

From vajda at metaweb.com  Tue Nov  3 22:31:05 2009
From: vajda at metaweb.com (Andi Vajda)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:31:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Developers] mql_filter for geosearch API?
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0911031332w36644b13h5473829976a8e272@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c5f3f16f0911031022o6db3e9ebn51387a62b6c9cdaf@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.OSX.2.01.0911031119530.31702@dhcp-wired-097.corp.631h.metaweb.com>
	<c5f3f16f0911031332w36644b13h5473829976a8e272@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.OSX.2.01.0911031428550.32009@dhcp-wired-238.corp.631h.metaweb.com>


On Tue, 3 Nov 2009, Tom Morris wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Andi Vajda <vajda at metaweb.com> wrote:
>
>> Guessing what your query is, this seems to work just fine:
>> http://api.freebase.com/api/service/geosearch?location=/en/san_francisco&within=50&type=/base/usnris/nris_listing&indent=1&limit=10&mql_filter=[{%22type%22:%20%22/base/usnris/nris_listing%22,%20%22significance_level%22:%20%22National%22}]
>> http://api.freebase.com/api/service/geosearch?location=/en/san_francisco&within=50&type=/base/usnris/nris_listing&indent=1&limit=10&mql_filter=[{%22type%22:%20%22/base/usnris/nris_listing%22,%20%22significance_level%22:%20%22National%22}]&debug=1
>>
>
> Thanks for the quick response Andi.  That's not the URL that the
> Python library generates, so I guess that's where the problem lies.
> It doesn't look like any of mql_input, mql_output, or mql_filter will
> work the way it is set up now.
>
> I'll submit a patch with the fix.  I couldn't figure out where the
> unit tests for this part of the API were, so I just patched the code,
> not the tests.

What library are you talking about ?

When making an HTTP call with Python, all the parameters that take JSON 
should be stringified first via json.dumps().

Letting python's str() do the trick on the json list/dict tree doesn't 
produce valid json text.

Andi..

From tfmorris at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 22:36:39 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:36:39 -0500
Subject: [Developers] mql_filter for geosearch API?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.OSX.2.01.0911031428550.32009@dhcp-wired-238.corp.631h.metaweb.com>
References: <c5f3f16f0911031022o6db3e9ebn51387a62b6c9cdaf@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.OSX.2.01.0911031119530.31702@dhcp-wired-097.corp.631h.metaweb.com>
	<c5f3f16f0911031332w36644b13h5473829976a8e272@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.OSX.2.01.0911031428550.32009@dhcp-wired-238.corp.631h.metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <c5f3f16f0911031436i28bfed69pdccc5952c47eaee3@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Andi Vajda <vajda at metaweb.com> wrote:

> When making an HTTP call with Python, all the parameters that take JSON
> should be stringified first via json.dumps().
>
> Letting python's str() do the trick on the json list/dict tree doesn't
> produce valid json text.

Exactly.  The bug report and patch is at
http://code.google.com/p/freebase-python/issues/detail?id=8

Tom

From alecf at metaweb.com  Tue Nov  3 23:38:25 2009
From: alecf at metaweb.com (Alec Flett)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:38:25 -0800
Subject: [Developers] mql_filter for geosearch API?
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0911031436i28bfed69pdccc5952c47eaee3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c5f3f16f0911031022o6db3e9ebn51387a62b6c9cdaf@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.OSX.2.01.0911031119530.31702@dhcp-wired-097.corp.631h.metaweb.com>
	<c5f3f16f0911031332w36644b13h5473829976a8e272@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.OSX.2.01.0911031428550.32009@dhcp-wired-238.corp.631h.metaweb.com>
	<c5f3f16f0911031436i28bfed69pdccc5952c47eaee3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EFADED2B-4C3A-4DB2-AF3F-DC495E07B73D@metaweb.com>

I just checked a fix into freebase-python trunk, and will try to do a  
release today (tuesday) or wednesday.

Alec

On Nov 3, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Tom Morris wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Andi Vajda <vajda at metaweb.com> wrote:
>
>> When making an HTTP call with Python, all the parameters that take  
>> JSON
>> should be stringified first via json.dumps().
>>
>> Letting python's str() do the trick on the json list/dict tree  
>> doesn't
>> produce valid json text.
>
> Exactly.  The bug report and patch is at
> http://code.google.com/p/freebase-python/issues/detail?id=8
>
> Tom
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers


From jack.alves at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 03:31:01 2009
From: jack.alves at gmail.com (Jack Alves)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:31:01 -0800
Subject: [Developers] pdf of documentation
Message-ID: <554723b0911051931g4ae5815aq835b5ef7b2d1e6@mail.gmail.com>

Is there an up to date pdf of the MQL Reference documentation? I can't find
a link to is on freebase
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From tyler at metaweb.com  Fri Nov  6 04:05:36 2009
From: tyler at metaweb.com (Tyler Pirtle)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:05:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Developers] pdf of documentation
In-Reply-To: <554723b0911051931g4ae5815aq835b5ef7b2d1e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1980324239.230041257480336447.JavaMail.root@zimbra01.corp.sjc1.metaweb.com>

theres this one,

http://download.freebase.com/MQLReferenceGuide.pdf

Also viewable online at http://mql.freebaseapps.com


----- "Jack Alves" <jack.alves at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there an up to date pdf of the MQL Reference documentation? I can't
> find a link to is on freebase
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers

From jack.alves at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 16:56:42 2009
From: jack.alves at gmail.com (Jack Alves)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:56:42 -0800
Subject: [Developers] pdf of documentation
In-Reply-To: <1980324239.230041257480336447.JavaMail.root@zimbra01.corp.sjc1.metaweb.com>
References: <554723b0911051931g4ae5815aq835b5ef7b2d1e6@mail.gmail.com>
	<1980324239.230041257480336447.JavaMail.root@zimbra01.corp.sjc1.metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <554723b0911060856l6a2dc7b0jf1ab9d369a219a6f@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks. I'll enter a request for the Developers page to include a link to
Downloads.

jack

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Tyler Pirtle <tyler at metaweb.com> wrote:

> theres this one,
>
> http://download.freebase.com/MQLReferenceGuide.pdf
>
> Also viewable online at http://mql.freebaseapps.com
>
>
> ----- "Jack Alves" <jack.alves at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Is there an up to date pdf of the MQL Reference documentation? I can't
> > find a link to is on freebase
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Developers mailing list
> > Developers at freebase.com
> > http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
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From jack.alves at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 18:31:32 2009
From: jack.alves at gmail.com (Jack Alves)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:31:32 -0800
Subject: [Developers] sandbox down?
Message-ID: <554723b0911061031l17058865mb44f334729c85aa@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.sandbox-freebase.com/ is reporting "*Http/1.1 Service Unavailable
*"

I got just after trying to create a namespace. Ultimately I want to create
/base/bkn as a namespace in addition or to replace
/base/bibliographicknowledgenetwork.
Yesterday I tried to change it via the edit settings user interface on the
base's page. The name did not change and I did not get an error so I
reported a bug.

Today I'm on sandbox experimenting with how I can do this with MQL.

On the sandbox, when I issued the following via the query editor, I did not
get a response. When I refreshed I got the unavailable message. My test was
to do a similar operation on the /base/popstra domain. This is what I did to
try to create /base/starwideweb.

[{
  "keys": [{
    "namespace": {
      "create": "unless_connected",
      "type":   "/type/namespace",
      "unique": false
    },
    "value": "starwideweb"
  }],
  "id":   "/base",
  "type": "/type/namespace"
}]


What did I do? What should I do. I'm just working my way through the
documentation related to writing namespaces and keys.
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From gordon at metaweb.com  Fri Nov  6 18:37:21 2009
From: gordon at metaweb.com (Gordon Mackenzie)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:37:21 -0800
Subject: [Developers] sandbox down?
In-Reply-To: <554723b0911061031l17058865mb44f334729c85aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <554723b0911061031l17058865mb44f334729c85aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9F935929-0FE4-4940-A842-1FEB390FE4EC@metaweb.com>

Yup, we are trying to update sandbox's client code, didn't go as well  
as we'd hoped.

~ Gordon

<<< gordon at metaweb.com >>>



On Nov 6, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Jack Alves wrote:

>
> http://www.sandbox-freebase.com/ is reporting "Http/1.1 Service  
> Unavailable"
>
> I got just after trying to create a namespace. Ultimately I want to  
> create /base/bkn as a namespace in addition or to replace /base/ 
> bibliographicknowledgenetwork. Yesterday I tried to change it via  
> the edit settings user interface on the base's page. The name did  
> not change and I did not get an error so I reported a bug.
>
> Today I'm on sandbox experimenting with how I can do this with MQL.
>
> On the sandbox, when I issued the following via the query editor, I  
> did not get a response. When I refreshed I got the unavailable  
> message. My test was to do a similar operation on the /base/popstra  
> domain. This is what I did to try to create /base/starwideweb.
>
> [{
>   "keys": [{
>     "namespace": {
>       "create": "unless_connected",
>       "type":   "/type/namespace",
>       "unique": false
>     },
>     "value": "starwideweb"
>   }],
>   "id":   "/base",
>   "type": "/type/namespace"
> }]
>
>
> What did I do? What should I do. I'm just working my way through the  
> documentation related to writing namespaces and keys.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers

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From philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk  Fri Nov  6 18:55:48 2009
From: philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk (Philip Kendall)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:55:48 +0000
Subject: [Developers] sandbox down?
In-Reply-To: <554723b0911061031l17058865mb44f334729c85aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <554723b0911061031l17058865mb44f334729c85aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091106185548.GK19375@sphinx.mythic-beasts.com>

On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 10:31:32AM -0800, Jack Alves wrote:
> 
> I got just after trying to create a namespace. Ultimately I want to create
> /base/bkn as a namespace in addition or to replace
> /base/bibliographicknowledgenetwork.

I think what you want is

{
  "id": "/base/bibliographicknowledgenetwork",
  "keys": {
    "namespace": "/base",
    "value": "bkn",
    "connect": "insert"
  }
}

but I'd suggest not running that on production as it's entirely
untested.

> What did I do? What should I do.

Honestly I'd say "slow down". Finish reading the documenation, then go
and fiddle with some test topics before you try changing your base as at
the moment it looks like you're not 100% sure how namespaces work, and
it's pretty easy to get things wrong.

Cheers,

Phil

-- 
  Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/

From tfmorris at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 19:01:55 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:01:55 -0500
Subject: [Developers] freebase-suggest 0.9.5
In-Reply-To: <alpine.OSX.2.01.0909031904020.74738@yuzu.local>
References: <7BF0CB90-5277-4F3C-807C-6F9B131A32E5@metaweb.com>
	<B20067EC-5C4F-48B7-BFE5-958A73552C5B@metaweb.com>
	<alpine.OSX.2.01.0909031904020.74738@yuzu.local>
Message-ID: <c5f3f16f0911061101i2bb8e7b9i1a8e8aa08d53ee8a@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Andi Vajda <vajda at metaweb.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Dae Park wrote:
>
>> More on search by type name...
>>
>> Our relevance guru also points out:
>>
>>> Andi Vajda wrote:
>>>
>>> ...type also accepts pseudo type names such as 'volcano', a mountain
>>> type (but not technically a type).
>>> Such type names are stemmed, so you can also use type=volcanos, for
>>> example.
>>
>>
>> I believe you can also treat people's professions as a pseudo type as
>> well (i.e., "johnson type:lawyer").
>
> The values in the properties returned by [1] are indexed as pseudo type
> names.
>
> For example, "/en/volcano" occurs in "/geography/mountain/mountain_type"
> values and its name, "volcano" is indexed as the a type name of things that
> have "/en/volcano" in their "/geography/mountain/mountain_type" property.
>
> Andi..
>
> [1] http://tinyurl.com/mz2fnb

To make it easier to find in the archives and preserve posterity if
tinyurl goes away, the Andi's query is:

[{
  "type":  "/type/property",
  "!/freebase/relevance/hint/on": {
    "id": "/freebase/relevance/is_a"
  },
  "id":    null,
  "schema": {
    "id": null
  },
  "master_property": {
    "id":       null,
    "optional": true
  },
  "limit": 4096
}]

From micah at metaweb.com  Fri Nov  6 19:11:31 2009
From: micah at metaweb.com (Micah Saul)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:11:31 -0800
Subject: [Developers] sandbox down?
In-Reply-To: <20091106185548.GK19375@sphinx.mythic-beasts.com>
References: <554723b0911061031l17058865mb44f334729c85aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091106185548.GK19375@sphinx.mythic-beasts.com>
Message-ID: <63471C52-9EDC-411C-9A25-95CE1707130F@metaweb.com>

Hey Jack-

Sorry, meant to respond to your bug last night, but we were chasing  
down some other sandbox issues and I got distracted.

So, the reason the write was failing through the UI is just that there  
is a requirement that base IDs be at least 5 characters long... I  
thought that an informative error would pop up when attempting to  
write a shorter ID but it apparently isn't doing that anymore. I  
spawned an issue at https://bugs.freebase.com/browse/CLI-9394

m

On Nov 6, 2009, at 10:55 AM, Philip Kendall wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 10:31:32AM -0800, Jack Alves wrote:
>>
>> I got just after trying to create a namespace. Ultimately I want to  
>> create
>> /base/bkn as a namespace in addition or to replace
>> /base/bibliographicknowledgenetwork.
>
> I think what you want is
>
> {
>  "id": "/base/bibliographicknowledgenetwork",
>  "keys": {
>    "namespace": "/base",
>    "value": "bkn",
>    "connect": "insert"
>  }
> }
>
> but I'd suggest not running that on production as it's entirely
> untested.
>
>> What did I do? What should I do.
>
> Honestly I'd say "slow down". Finish reading the documenation, then go
> and fiddle with some test topics before you try changing your base  
> as at
> the moment it looks like you're not 100% sure how namespaces work, and
> it's pretty easy to get things wrong.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil
>
> -- 
>  Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
>  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers


From gordon at metaweb.com  Fri Nov  6 23:58:32 2009
From: gordon at metaweb.com (Gordon Mackenzie)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:58:32 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Film Commons: Proposal to change
	/film/film/estimated_budget to be made a dated currency CVT
Message-ID: <E3DAAD4F-7506-47E4-B448-9B3B8634663A@metaweb.com>

http://www.freebase.com/type/schema/film/film

It has been brought up recently in discussions (prodded by the recent  
talk of local currencies) that the property of /film/film that deals  
with the estimated budget of the film would be much more useful for  
interesting queries if it was a dated currency CVT (/measurement_unit/ 
dated_money_value) instead of the current money value ( / 
measurement_unit/money_value).

This way we could have comparisons that could take in account the  
change in value of currency for various versions of then-blockbuster  
hit films, 1925's Ben Hur versus 1959's Ben Hur (http://www.freebase.com/view/en/ben_hur_1925 
, the estimated budget was an insane $4 million in 1925, when the  
average film budget at the time was $200,000).

Titanic vs, Gone With The Wind (My bet is on Tara over Titanic).

Which Star Wars dwarfed them all in $2008 dollars (Or is 2001 the true  
king of budgets)?

(Really, many of the current types that use money value might be  
better served with a conversion to dated currency: Structure,  
Disaster, Automotive' Trim Level & option package, etc.)

Well, I made a task for it, won't go forawrd with it until we get some  
feedback from the community.

Does your Application link directly to the /measurement_unit/ 
money_value or to the /film/film/estimated_budget?

Proposal: https://bugs.freebase.com/browse/DA-977

~ Gordon

<<< gordon at metaweb.com >>>




From pauljmackay at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 18:24:36 2009
From: pauljmackay at gmail.com (Paul Mackay)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:24:36 -0800
Subject: [Developers] An interest in an OO Python library similar to KEN?
Message-ID: <be63e0470911081024n21928ec7tb3f7a9589b1df0ac@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Has anyone thought about developing an OO Python library similar to the KEN
Ruby library (http://github.com/michael/ken/)?

I experimented with this a little. Perhaps a dev branch in the
freebase-python repo could be started? Thoughts?

cheers

paul
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From kurt at spaceship.com  Mon Nov  9 07:45:58 2009
From: kurt at spaceship.com (Kurt Bollacker)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:45:58 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Fun with animated gifs
Message-ID: <20091109074558.GG9543@spaceship.com>


I'm trying to uploads some films for which I have a snapshot still.
Unfortunately (for many reasons), the stills are available only as
animated gifs, the first slice of which is often solid black.  I've
tried using

/api/service/uri_submit_image

to submit the image, but this mangles the gif by only including the
(often black) first slice.  Is the there a recommended way to upload
animated gifs, or have the Freebase Web UI police sensibly declared
them verboten?

I can extract a reasonable still, but it would help me out a lot to
avoid doing that.

                                                                Kurt :-)



From alecf at metaweb.com  Mon Nov  9 17:51:59 2009
From: alecf at metaweb.com (Alec Flett)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:51:59 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Fun with animated gifs
In-Reply-To: <20091109074558.GG9543@spaceship.com>
References: <20091109074558.GG9543@spaceship.com>
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On Nov 8, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Kurt Bollacker wrote:

>
> to submit the image, but this mangles the gif by only including the
> (often black) first slice.

I suspect the image is being stored in our system correctly, but  
image_thumb is not delivering an animated thumb. Have you tried  
accessing the images via /api/trans/raw to see if they're at least  
unmangled in the system?

>  Is the there a recommended way to upload
> animated gifs, or have the Freebase Web UI police sensibly declared
> them verboten?

There's no web UI police :) This is purely a technical issue, and  
animated gifs haven't really been a priority.

BUT... that said I *personally* think animated gifs aren't really  
images - mainly because they're not appropriate in all image-based  
contexts (for instance, would you want an animated thumbnail while  
viewing a topic on a mobile device? What about when you're browsing an  
image gallery? yuck.) - we may feel like we'd be enhancing an API by  
broadening support for animated images, but I think we'd really be  
screwing up user experience for a lot of applications that use the  
image_thumb public API.



Alec



>
> I can extract a reasonable still, but it would help me out a lot to
> avoid doing that.
>
>                                                                 
> Kurt :-)
>
>
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From alecf at metaweb.com  Mon Nov  9 17:54:00 2009
From: alecf at metaweb.com (Alec Flett)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:54:00 -0800
Subject: [Developers] An interest in an OO Python library similar to KEN?
In-Reply-To: <be63e0470911081024n21928ec7tb3f7a9589b1df0ac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <be63e0470911081024n21928ec7tb3f7a9589b1df0ac@mail.gmail.com>
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On Nov 8, 2009, at 10:24 AM, Paul Mackay wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Has anyone thought about developing an OO Python library similar to  
> the KEN Ruby library (http://github.com/michael/ken/)?
>
> I experimented with this a little. Perhaps a dev branch in the  
> freebase-python repo could be started? Thoughts?
>

I think this sounds like an interesting idea, if you're willing to  
give it a shot... go ahead and pull the trunk of freebase-python. When  
you have something up and running send it to me, and we can also give  
you access to the svn repository on google code.

  It might be time for us to call version 1.0 "done" (sans point- 
releases) and start work on freebase-python 1.1 on the trunk, which  
could include a module like this.

Alec

> cheers
>
> paul
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From gordon at metaweb.com  Mon Nov  9 18:03:25 2009
From: gordon at metaweb.com (Gordon Mackenzie)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:03:25 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Fun with animated gifs
In-Reply-To: <ED814E6A-63E0-43DB-8463-7BBB1F083EDB@metaweb.com>
References: <20091109074558.GG9543@spaceship.com>
	<ED814E6A-63E0-43DB-8463-7BBB1F083EDB@metaweb.com>
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http://monster.freebase.com/

Made that animated image in header myself with photoshop (and it works  
on the iPhone ;) I uploded animated gifs for my topic about me and  
user dude profile.


On Nov 9, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Alec Flett <alecf at metaweb.com> wrote:

>
> On Nov 8, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Kurt Bollacker wrote:
>
>>
>> to submit the image, but this mangles the gif by only including the
>> (often black) first slice.
>
> I suspect the image is being stored in our system correctly, but
> image_thumb is not delivering an animated thumb. Have you tried
> accessing the images via /api/trans/raw to see if they're at least
> unmangled in the system?
>
>> Is the there a recommended way to upload
>> animated gifs, or have the Freebase Web UI police sensibly declared
>> them verboten?
>
> There's no web UI police :) This is purely a technical issue, and
> animated gifs haven't really been a priority.
>
> BUT... that said I *personally* think animated gifs aren't really
> images - mainly because they're not appropriate in all image-based
> contexts (for instance, would you want an animated thumbnail while
> viewing a topic on a mobile device? What about when you're browsing an
> image gallery? yuck.) - we may feel like we'd be enhancing an API by
> broadening support for animated images, but I think we'd really be
> screwing up user experience for a lot of applications that use the
> image_thumb public API.
>
>
>
> Alec
>
>
>
>>
>> I can extract a reasonable still, but it would help me out a lot to
>> avoid doing that.
>>
>>
>> Kurt :-)
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Developers mailing list
>> Developers at freebase.com
>> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>
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From iainsproat at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 18:21:52 2009
From: iainsproat at gmail.com (Iain Sproat)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:21:52 +0400
Subject: [Developers] Fun with animated gifs
In-Reply-To: <ED814E6A-63E0-43DB-8463-7BBB1F083EDB@metaweb.com>
References: <20091109074558.GG9543@spaceship.com>
	<ED814E6A-63E0-43DB-8463-7BBB1F083EDB@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <f70332fb0911091021l47baf0eds783ec3d85e3fe481@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Alec Flett <alecf at metaweb.com> wrote:
> There's no web UI police :) This is purely a technical issue, and
> animated gifs haven't really been a priority.
>
> BUT... that said I *personally* think animated gifs aren't really
> images

Geocities-style 'under construction' animated gifs anyone?!

> we'd really be
> screwing up user experience for a lot of applications that use the
> image_thumb public API.

Some animated gifs do help explain a topic though,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:4-Stroke-Engine.gif

Iain

From brendan at metaweb.com  Tue Nov 10 20:17:28 2009
From: brendan at metaweb.com (brendan)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:17:28 -0800
Subject: [Developers] architecture schema property migration to
	/projects/project
Message-ID: <74E49CBF-7FD1-40EB-B8CC-A22E3AFD5939@metaweb.com>

As discussed months ago on this list: /projects/project is a better,  
more generalized home for "project-ish" related property values. I'd  
like to move ahead with migrating property values off of /architecture/ 
structure and on to /projects/project. I will take a conservative  
approach: mark the properties as hidden in architecture and copying  
the values over to project:  3rd party apps will see a degradation of  
data quality but will not break (degradation meaning the data will  
become stale as users add/improve the preferred assertions on "project")

1. hide /architecture/structure properties that have a clear  
"projecty" nature to them:

engineer
engineering_firm
construction_started
contractor
construction_cost

the compromise: I will keep "architect" "architecture_firm" and  
"opened". This is not ideal. To be absolutely consistent, these  
probably should be migrated to project, too. But we have so much data  
for these slots and the topic page for these buildings is much  
enhanced by their presence ("project" values are 3 plies out so you  
would only see them by going to the "edit" view and clicking on the  
"project_focus" cvt.) So, I contend, we should live with the  
denormalization for now and push for the features we need to overcome  
it (a way of seeing/editing deep-deep properties on a freebase.com  
topic page)

2. migrate (copy) property values from structure to project.

engineer (147)
engineering_firm (95)
construction_started (984 date values)
contractor (155)
construction_cost (120 money_value objects)

brendan
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From kirrily at metaweb.com  Wed Nov 11 00:31:50 2009
From: kirrily at metaweb.com (Kirrily Robert)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:31:50 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Monthly Freebase meetups in San Francisco
Message-ID: <7C76F410-8BEF-4FF4-8191-97C29839DFB6@metaweb.com>

For those of you in the San Francisco Bay Area, I wanted to let you  
know I've just created a monthly Freebase meetup on meetup.com: http://www.meetup.com/sf-freebase/

The plan is to have a regular gathering each month, a couple of talks/ 
presentations, some pizza, some hack time, and a chance to talk to  
other people who use Freebase and swap tips/ideas/etc.

If you're interested in attending, please join the meetup.com group  
and share it with your friends.

K.

-- 
Kirrily Robert
Freebase Community Director
kirrily at metaweb.com
http://freebase.com/





From tyler at metaweb.com  Thu Nov 12 17:48:03 2009
From: tyler at metaweb.com (Tyler Pirtle)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:48:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Developers] Fun with animated gifs
In-Reply-To: <1592272998.245001258047979614.JavaMail.root@zimbra01.corp.sjc1.metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <584537392.245021258048083987.JavaMail.root@zimbra01.corp.sjc1.metaweb.com>


> BUT... that said I *personally* think animated gifs aren't really  
> images - mainly because they're not appropriate in all image-based  
> contexts (for instance, would you want an animated thumbnail while  
> viewing a topic on a mobile device? What about when you're browsing an
>  
> image gallery? yuck.) - we may feel like we'd be enhancing an API by 
>
> broadening support for animated images, but I think we'd really be  
> screwing up user experience for a lot of applications that use the  
> image_thumb public API.
> 
> 

Oh dear. I won't comment on your personal opinion but I'm sure you know
where I stand on this. ;)

Whether or not animated images have a place in the client I think is
a question best left to the design dept., all I would say is that there
are several rather clever uses of animated gifs and maybe they shouldn't
be written off completely.

For example, you can use them to display video on the iphone (check out
robo.to). ;)

However, correctly thumbnailing them could just mean "extracting a relevant
key frame" and displaying that, don't you think ?



T

From bobby at metaweb.com  Thu Nov 12 19:46:03 2009
From: bobby at metaweb.com (Bobby Rullo)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:46:03 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Fun with animated gifs
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>
>
>
> Whether or not animated images have a place in the client I think is
> a question best left to the design dept., all I would say is that  
> there
> are several rather clever uses of animated gifs and maybe they  
> shouldn't
> be written off completely.
>

Here's a great example of animated GIF's being useful: using them as a  
way to visualize sorting algorithms:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quick_sort
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From jh at metaweb.com  Thu Nov 12 19:55:12 2009
From: jh at metaweb.com (James Home)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:55:12 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Fun with animated gifs
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I am working on a proposed spec around image formats and thumbnailing - I'll be sure to address animated gif support.

	- J.



On Nov 12, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Tyler Pirtle wrote:

> 
>> BUT... that said I *personally* think animated gifs aren't really  
>> images - mainly because they're not appropriate in all image-based  
>> contexts (for instance, would you want an animated thumbnail while  
>> viewing a topic on a mobile device? What about when you're browsing an
>> 
>> image gallery? yuck.) - we may feel like we'd be enhancing an API by 
>> 
>> broadening support for animated images, but I think we'd really be  
>> screwing up user experience for a lot of applications that use the  
>> image_thumb public API.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Oh dear. I won't comment on your personal opinion but I'm sure you know
> where I stand on this. ;)
> 
> Whether or not animated images have a place in the client I think is
> a question best left to the design dept., all I would say is that there
> are several rather clever uses of animated gifs and maybe they shouldn't
> be written off completely.
> 
> For example, you can use them to display video on the iphone (check out
> robo.to). ;)
> 
> However, correctly thumbnailing them could just mean "extracting a relevant
> key frame" and displaying that, don't you think ?
> 
> 
> 
> T
> _______________________________________________
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From alecf at metaweb.com  Thu Nov 12 22:30:19 2009
From: alecf at metaweb.com (Alec Flett)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:30:19 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Fun with animated gifs
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On Nov 12, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Bobby Rullo wrote:
>
> Here's a great example of animated GIF's being useful: using them as  
> a way to visualize sorting algorithms:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quick_sort

I totally agree that an moving visual is a good way to illustrate a  
concept, I'm just saying that I don't consider that to be an *image* -  
i.e. a single two dimensional region of pixels that doesn't move. the  
fact that the first 6 bytes of that file are "GIF89a" or whatever is  
irrelevant.

thumbnailing images is a very different problem than determining the  
most semantically useful keyframe of an animation.

that animation would be just as useful as a mpeg, avi, mng, or even  
flv. But none of those are images either.

Alec


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From kurt at spaceship.com  Thu Nov 12 22:55:05 2009
From: kurt at spaceship.com (Kurt Bollacker)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:55:05 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Fun with animated gifs
In-Reply-To: <5209FB90-91BE-48C3-B361-3D44301E02F9@metaweb.com>
References: <584537392.245021258048083987.JavaMail.root@zimbra01.corp.sjc1.metaweb.com>
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Message-ID: <20091112225505.GN27371@spaceship.com>

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 02:30:19PM -0800, Alec Flett wrote:
> 
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Bobby Rullo wrote:
> >
> >Here's a great example of animated GIF's being useful: using them as  
> >a way to visualize sorting algorithms:
> >
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quick_sort
> 
> I totally agree that an moving visual is a good way to illustrate a  
> concept, I'm just saying that I don't consider that to be an *image* -  
> i.e. a single two dimensional region of pixels that doesn't move. the  
> fact that the first 6 bytes of that file are "GIF89a" or whatever is  
> irrelevant.
> 
> thumbnailing images is a very different problem than determining the  
> most semantically useful keyframe of an animation.
> 
> that animation would be just as useful as a mpeg, avi, mng, or even  
> flv. But none of those are images either.

I just wish animated gifs had a different mime type than image/gif.
Then the discussed would be moot.

For now my solution was to use heuristics to pick a likely useful
frame and only upload that as a static image.

							Kurt :-)


From philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk  Fri Nov 13 10:06:45 2009
From: philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk (Philip Kendall)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:06:45 +0000
Subject: [Developers] URL encoding in acre.response.set_header
Message-ID: <20091113100645.GS19375@sphinx.mythic-beasts.com>

I have an Acre script[1] which when given the key
"P%C3%A8re_David%27s_Deer" should redirect to the URL
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/species/P?re_David's_Deer,
otherwise known as
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/species/P%C3%A8re_David%27s_Deer when
percent encoded. (See [2] you care _why_ it wants to do this!)

What seems to be happening here is that the key is treated as UTF-8 when
it comes in and successfully decoded to "P?re_David's_Deer". The app
then sticks the appropriate bit on the front and produces the string
"http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/species/P?re_David's_Deer".

However, using acre.response.set_header( 'Location', url ) to redirect
the client seems to encode the url using ISO-8859-15, so the redirect is
to http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/species/P%E8re_David%27s_Deer rather than
the desired UTF-8 encoded version.

Therefore the obvious questions:

* Is this the intended behaviour?
* Is there any way to get the UTF-8 encoding behaviour I want, short
  of converting the string to UTF-8 in the Javascript?

Cheers,

Phil

[1] http://acre.freebase.com/#app=/user/pak21/bbcnathist&file=index
[2] http://www.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000e5b4d2f

-- 
  Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/

From kurt at spaceship.com  Fri Nov 13 16:44:00 2009
From: kurt at spaceship.com (Kurt Bollacker)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:44:00 -0800
Subject: [Developers] No login on sandbox?
Message-ID: <20091113164400.GQ27371@spaceship.com>


Since sometime last night, I have been unable to login to sandbox.
This is true with the client and through the API.  Has anyone else
experienced this?


							Kurt :-)



From tfmorris at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 16:42:56 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:42:56 -0500
Subject: [Developers] No login on sandbox?
In-Reply-To: <20091113164400.GQ27371@spaceship.com>
References: <20091113164400.GQ27371@spaceship.com>
Message-ID: <c5f3f16f0911130842v40e16660kc8605b65ce01aa2e@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Kurt Bollacker <kurt at spaceship.com> wrote:
>
> Since sometime last night, I have been unable to login to sandbox.
> This is true with the client and through the API. ?Has anyone else
> experienced this?

Ditto.  Just hangs after submitting username/password.

Tom

From david at metaweb.com  Fri Nov 13 17:00:40 2009
From: david at metaweb.com (David Huynh)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:00:40 -0800
Subject: [Developers] No login on sandbox?
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0911130842v40e16660kc8605b65ce01aa2e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091113164400.GQ27371@spaceship.com>
	<c5f3f16f0911130842v40e16660kc8605b65ce01aa2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AFD90B8.8040009@metaweb.com>

Kurt, Tom,

Thanks for reporting this. We know about it and are working on fixing it.

David

Tom Morris wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Kurt Bollacker <kurt at spaceship.com> wrote:
>   
>> Since sometime last night, I have been unable to login to sandbox.
>> This is true with the client and through the API.  Has anyone else
>> experienced this?
>>     
>
> Ditto.  Just hangs after submitting username/password.
>
> Tom
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
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>   


From gordon at metaweb.com  Fri Nov 13 19:13:50 2009
From: gordon at metaweb.com (Gordon Mackenzie)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:13:50 -0800
Subject: [Developers] No login on sandbox?
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0911130842v40e16660kc8605b65ce01aa2e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091113164400.GQ27371@spaceship.com>
	<c5f3f16f0911130842v40e16660kc8605b65ce01aa2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8ADA311F-31D2-42F3-B7F6-B00269EC1731@metaweb.com>

Fixed. Sorry about that.

~ Gordon

<<< gordon at metaweb.com >>>



On Nov 13, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Tom Morris wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Kurt Bollacker <kurt at spaceship.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Since sometime last night, I have been unable to login to sandbox.
>> This is true with the client and through the API.  Has anyone else
>> experienced this?
> 
> Ditto.  Just hangs after submitting username/password.
> 
> Tom
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
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From jack.alves at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 00:10:26 2009
From: jack.alves at gmail.com (Jack Alves)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:10:26 -0800
Subject: [Developers] people recon
Message-ID: <554723b0911131610k1101ece5k42e79836ce57c39b@mail.gmail.com>

I'm about to start a reconciliation process toward an import of people who
have academic bibliographies. I would appreciate any tips or tools you can
offer. I'll be writing tools in Python. My first few steps will be to use
the recon service and additional freebase queries to generate a list that
outputs names with a recommendation (create, merge, punt). I did a few quick
tests of the recon service and have some questions and comments.

- What scores represent a generally acceptable level of confidence for a
match or a no-match. The match=true result seems like a high bar based on
some preliminary tests.

- I sent a query with my name using just "name" and got a ".4" score. I
added the "person" type and the score bumped up to ".6". Then I added an
"alias" and type "software_developer". The the score did not improve. I
noticed this in other cases with authors. Why doesn't the extra info
increase the probability of a match?

This request,

{
"/type/object/name":"Jack Alves",
"/common/topic/alias":"John Alves",
"/type/object/type":["/people/person","/computer/software_developer"]
}

returns:

[{
    "id":"/guid/9202a8c04000641f8000000003cbd280",
    "name":["Jack Alves",
      "John Alves",
      "jack alves"
    ],
    "score":0.62055033,
    "match":false,
    "type":["/people/person",
      "/common/topic",
      "/biology/organism",
      "/user/skud/freebase_events/speaker",
      "/user/skud/freebase_events/attendee",
      "/user/skud/freebase_events/tshirt_recipient",
      "/common/media_rights_holder",
      "/computer/software_developer"
    ]
  }
]


- I learned a few things from previous tests using the recon ui with a tiny
sample set.

1.) Only the first two recon results are worth reviewing for a match.

2.) A match is very likely if the recon score is above .4 and the person is
type author, or the institution associated with the person is in the
wikipedia article.

3.) A match is very unlikely if the first or last name of the person does
not match either name in the first recon result.

- In addition to the recon service I plan to make recommendations to merge
or create based on a combination of some obvious checks like matches on
name, alias, and types.


Jack
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From hirsch.christian at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 04:15:04 2009
From: hirsch.christian at gmail.com (Christian Hirsch)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:15:04 +1300
Subject: [Developers] Announcing: Topic API
In-Reply-To: <41F9B16E-58F4-4FCB-AF98-FCB22A638CAD@metaweb.com>
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Thanks! I found this topic API very useful!!

I have one suggestion to to improve it. At the moment all the related topics
show up only with 1 of their types (the "expected_type"). It might be useful
to know which other types are associated with them. e.g. the objects in the
"values" array could have "types" (besides "id", "name", and "url").

Will the API leave the experimental status soon?

Cheers,
Christian


On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Michael Masouras <michael at metaweb.com>wrote:

> We are launching a new API that we hope will facilitate the
> development of applications around topics.
>
> This new API is a JSON HTTP service and provides most of the data
> connected to a topic (including a lot of nitty-gritty around going
> over mediators and handling addresses), without the need to write any
> MQL or use the blurb service for getting descriptions.  We have also
> tailored the output of the API to make writing UIs easier.
>
> Here's an example API call:
> http://www.freebase.com/experimental/topic/standard?id=/en/new_york_yankees
>
> and here is the documentation, including available Acre wrappers and
> an example to get you going:
> http://www.freebase.com/docs/topic_api
>
> As you can see from the URL, this is still in a testing period, and we
> are particularly interested in your feedback. Let us know if you find
> this handy, and especially things that would make it more useful to you.
>
> Thanks,
> Michael
>
>
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From tfmorris at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 07:33:29 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:33:29 -0500
Subject: [Developers] people recon
In-Reply-To: <554723b0911131610k1101ece5k42e79836ce57c39b@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Jack Alves <jack.alves at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm about to start a reconciliation process toward an import of people who
> have academic bibliographies. I would appreciate any tips or tools you can
> offer. I'll be writing tools in Python. My first few steps will be to use
> the recon service and additional freebase queries to generate a list that
> outputs names with a recommendation (create, merge, punt). I did a few quick
> tests of the recon service and have some questions and comments.

How many people?  Roughly what percentage do you think you'll find in
Freebase?  The answers to these questions will influence the strategy
that you want to pursue and how you want to bias your searches.

Some resources:

- Check the archives for a thread with the subject "Looking for
people" from Mar 29-30 for some past discussion and tips.

- Look at my freebase-utils project, particularly the
congress-bioguide app which has the source code (Python) for most of
the tricks that I learned while reconciling all the U.S. Congress
people.  It doesn't use any of the reconciliation services, but it
might give you some ideas for ways to cross check your results.

> - What scores represent a generally acceptable level of confidence for a
> match or a no-match. The match=true result seems like a high bar based on
> some preliminary tests.

You want to set the bar quite high for false positives.  It's a lot
easier to merge accidental dupes than it is to split apart a topic
which never should have been merged in the first place.

> - In addition to the recon service I plan to make recommendations to merge
> or create based on a combination of some obvious checks like matches on
> name, alias, and types.

This is a good idea.  I'd compute a variety of scores, with the recon
service being one, and look at the total result set when making your
decision.  The decision thresholds should be set so that you almost
never get a false positive and rarely create unneeded duplicates.
Topics in Freebase without much structured data (e.g. just a type of
Person) will be almost impossible to reconcile automatically with
confidence unless it's a very unusual name.

A way to queue all the stuff in the middle for review is useful if
you're going to have a lot of them (might want to look at RABJ).  The
more information you can feed in on your candidate the better off
you'll be, both for machine matching and human review - birth date,
alma mater, publications, department, etc.

Good luck.  Let me know if you've got any questions -- either with my
code or with reconciling people in general.

Tom

From tfmorris at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 19:03:38 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:03:38 -0500
Subject: [Developers] Google Wave sandbox and Android development
Message-ID: <c5f3f16f0911141103y40595f33wa292d17753561cd0@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone else have a sandbox account for Google Wave?  Anyone got an
interest in Google Wave robots and/or plugins for Freebase?  I'm
playing with developing for Wave and considering adding some type of
Freebase functionality, so am interested in others doing the same or
who are interested in collaborating, testing, etc.  Note that the
sandbox doesn't interact with the beta servers, so folks with regular
beta accounts can't play with any resulting code until it's approved
and released.

I've got a few ideas for things I'd like to play with, but if you've
got something you're dying to see, let me know, whether it's a simple
Wave Gadget version of the Topic widget or an all singing, all
dancing, collaborative structured editing environment (of course, the
latter is much less likely to get done as a demo, but perhaps a
proof-of-concept showing the integration...).

Anyone doing any Android development?  I've got a little
Android/Freebase app that I'll try to put someplace (not sure if
freebase-utils is appropriate).  It doesn't do much, but does
demonstrate the basics.  I'd be interested in chatting with others who
are developing for Android.

Tom

From jason at metaweb.com  Sat Nov 14 19:28:51 2009
From: jason at metaweb.com (Jason Douglas)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 11:28:51 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Google Wave sandbox and Android development
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0911141103y40595f33wa292d17753561cd0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c5f3f16f0911141103y40595f33wa292d17753561cd0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D7AE8E2B-E101-4DD6-89DC-438A82B4FBE6@metaweb.com>

Michael Masouras here was hacking on Wave a few weeks back.  He created 'freebasebot', which if you invite to your wave will allow you to use @ as a trigger for auto-complete which will then insert a link to that Freebase topic.  It also would insert a full topic summary box with # autocomplete, but that seems broken now (probably should be updated to do TopicBlocks anyway).

It was just a proof-of-concept... I think it would be really cool to do more.  It did sound like it was tricky to do just that, though.  Michael, any comment on how you ended up making that work?

-jason


On Nov 14, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Tom Morris wrote:

> Anyone else have a sandbox account for Google Wave?  Anyone got an
> interest in Google Wave robots and/or plugins for Freebase?  I'm
> playing with developing for Wave and considering adding some type of
> Freebase functionality, so am interested in others doing the same or
> who are interested in collaborating, testing, etc.  Note that the
> sandbox doesn't interact with the beta servers, so folks with regular
> beta accounts can't play with any resulting code until it's approved
> and released.
> 
> I've got a few ideas for things I'd like to play with, but if you've
> got something you're dying to see, let me know, whether it's a simple
> Wave Gadget version of the Topic widget or an all singing, all
> dancing, collaborative structured editing environment (of course, the
> latter is much less likely to get done as a demo, but perhaps a
> proof-of-concept showing the integration...).
> 
> Anyone doing any Android development?  I've got a little
> Android/Freebase app that I'll try to put someplace (not sure if
> freebase-utils is appropriate).  It doesn't do much, but does
> demonstrate the basics.  I'd be interested in chatting with others who
> are developing for Android.
> 
> Tom
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers


From tfmorris at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 21:55:05 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:55:05 -0500
Subject: [Developers] Google Wave sandbox and Android development
In-Reply-To: <D7AE8E2B-E101-4DD6-89DC-438A82B4FBE6@metaweb.com>
References: <c5f3f16f0911141103y40595f33wa292d17753561cd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<D7AE8E2B-E101-4DD6-89DC-438A82B4FBE6@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <c5f3f16f0911141355o3e425abbmacf5c443b3cf2d1b@mail.gmail.com>

Cool.  I just now noticed that Kirrily added the bot to one of my
Waves on the beta servers the other day.  It seems to work for me on
both the sandbox and beta servers.  The bot's address is
freebasebot at appspot.com for anyone who wants to play with it.  It
needs to be added using the "email" address, not the URL that's
associated with it (ie "Add Gadget using URL" won't work).

Tom

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Jason Douglas <jason at metaweb.com> wrote:
> Michael Masouras here was hacking on Wave a few weeks back. ?He created 'freebasebot', which if you invite to your wave will allow you to use @ as a trigger for auto-complete which will then insert a link to that Freebase topic. ?It also would insert a full topic summary box with # autocomplete, but that seems broken now (probably should be updated to do TopicBlocks anyway).
>
> It was just a proof-of-concept... I think it would be really cool to do more. ?It did sound like it was tricky to do just that, though. ?Michael, any comment on how you ended up making that work?
>
> -jason
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Tom Morris wrote:
>
>> Anyone else have a sandbox account for Google Wave? ?Anyone got an
>> interest in Google Wave robots and/or plugins for Freebase? ?I'm
>> playing with developing for Wave and considering adding some type of
>> Freebase functionality, so am interested in others doing the same or
>> who are interested in collaborating, testing, etc. ?Note that the
>> sandbox doesn't interact with the beta servers, so folks with regular
>> beta accounts can't play with any resulting code until it's approved
>> and released.
>>
>> I've got a few ideas for things I'd like to play with, but if you've
>> got something you're dying to see, let me know, whether it's a simple
>> Wave Gadget version of the Topic widget or an all singing, all
>> dancing, collaborative structured editing environment (of course, the
>> latter is much less likely to get done as a demo, but perhaps a
>> proof-of-concept showing the integration...).
>>
>> Anyone doing any Android development? ?I've got a little
>> Android/Freebase app that I'll try to put someplace (not sure if
>> freebase-utils is appropriate). ?It doesn't do much, but does
>> demonstrate the basics. ?I'd be interested in chatting with others who
>> are developing for Android.
>>
>> Tom
>> _______________________________________________
>> Developers mailing list
>> Developers at freebase.com
>> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>

From narphorium at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 22:42:10 2009
From: narphorium at gmail.com (Shawn Simister)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:42:10 -0500
Subject: [Developers] Google Wave sandbox and Android development
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0911141355o3e425abbmacf5c443b3cf2d1b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c5f3f16f0911141103y40595f33wa292d17753561cd0@mail.gmail.com>	<D7AE8E2B-E101-4DD6-89DC-438A82B4FBE6@metaweb.com>
	<c5f3f16f0911141355o3e425abbmacf5c443b3cf2d1b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AFF3242.5040207@gmail.com>

Very cool. Michael's bot worked well for me in Wave. I don't have 
sandbox access yet but I'm really interesting in seeing what sort of 
integration is possible between Google Wave and Freebase. Collaborative 
data games is one of the first things that comes to mind.

Shawn

Tom Morris wrote:
> Cool.  I just now noticed that Kirrily added the bot to one of my
> Waves on the beta servers the other day.  It seems to work for me on
> both the sandbox and beta servers.  The bot's address is
> freebasebot at appspot.com for anyone who wants to play with it.  It
> needs to be added using the "email" address, not the URL that's
> associated with it (ie "Add Gadget using URL" won't work).
>
> Tom
>
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Jason Douglas <jason at metaweb.com> wrote:
>   
>> Michael Masouras here was hacking on Wave a few weeks back.  He created 'freebasebot', which if you invite to your wave will allow you to use @ as a trigger for auto-complete which will then insert a link to that Freebase topic.  It also would insert a full topic summary box with # autocomplete, but that seems broken now (probably should be updated to do TopicBlocks anyway).
>>
>> It was just a proof-of-concept... I think it would be really cool to do more.  It did sound like it was tricky to do just that, though.  Michael, any comment on how you ended up making that work?
>>
>> -jason
>>
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Tom Morris wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Anyone else have a sandbox account for Google Wave?  Anyone got an
>>> interest in Google Wave robots and/or plugins for Freebase?  I'm
>>> playing with developing for Wave and considering adding some type of
>>> Freebase functionality, so am interested in others doing the same or
>>> who are interested in collaborating, testing, etc.  Note that the
>>> sandbox doesn't interact with the beta servers, so folks with regular
>>> beta accounts can't play with any resulting code until it's approved
>>> and released.
>>>
>>> I've got a few ideas for things I'd like to play with, but if you've
>>> got something you're dying to see, let me know, whether it's a simple
>>> Wave Gadget version of the Topic widget or an all singing, all
>>> dancing, collaborative structured editing environment (of course, the
>>> latter is much less likely to get done as a demo, but perhaps a
>>> proof-of-concept showing the integration...).
>>>
>>> Anyone doing any Android development?  I've got a little
>>> Android/Freebase app that I'll try to put someplace (not sure if
>>> freebase-utils is appropriate).  It doesn't do much, but does
>>> demonstrate the basics.  I'd be interested in chatting with others who
>>> are developing for Android.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Developers mailing list
>>> Developers at freebase.com
>>> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> Developers mailing list
>> Developers at freebase.com
>> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
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From david at metaweb.com  Sun Nov 15 01:13:00 2009
From: david at metaweb.com (David Huynh)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:13:00 -0800
Subject: [Developers] cubed: an experiment for collection queries
Message-ID: <4AFF559C.9030101@metaweb.com>

Hi all,

If you're looking for a collection of topics, say, drama films starring 
Nicole Kidman, it takes a bit of mental work to translate that to a MQL 
query. Wouldn't it be nice if that can be automated? Here's an 
experiment that does just that

    http://www.freebase.com/labs/cubed/?q=nicole%20kidman%20drama%20films

This is like a power version of the freebase suggest widget that can 
resolve "collection queries".

Compare this example
    http://tinyurl.com/yevtv3v (female+african+american+politicians)
with Google Squared results
    
http://www.google.com/squared/search?q=female+african+american+politicians

or this example
    
http://www.freebase.com/labs/cubed/?q=republican%20presidents%27%20children%27s%20schools
with
    
http://www.google.com/squared/search?q=republican+presidents%27+children%27s+schools

The goal is to make this widget embeddable in any app, such as this one 
for exporting collections as TSV

    http://collection-exporter.freebaseapps.com/

Please consider this "alpha" only, not yet production worthy. But let me 
know if you have any potential use for it! Comments, feedback very much 
appreciated!

David


From pauljmackay at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 03:39:40 2009
From: pauljmackay at gmail.com (Paul Mackay)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:39:40 -0800
Subject: [Developers] cubed: an experiment for collection queries
In-Reply-To: <4AFF559C.9030101@metaweb.com>
References: <4AFF559C.9030101@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <be63e0470911141939jeecc49fuf06fb6832c357a80@mail.gmail.com>

That's pretty neat!

What's the scope of queries it should be able to resolve? I tried "community
gardens vancouver" which relates to the Local Food base I'm working on, but
it just shows a box with "No suggested matches". Any ideas why?

thanks

paul

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 5:13 PM, David Huynh <david at metaweb.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> If you're looking for a collection of topics, say, drama films starring
> Nicole Kidman, it takes a bit of mental work to translate that to a MQL
> query. Wouldn't it be nice if that can be automated? Here's an
> experiment that does just that
>
>    http://www.freebase.com/labs/cubed/?q=nicole%20kidman%20drama%20films
>
> This is like a power version of the freebase suggest widget that can
> resolve "collection queries".
>
> Compare this example
>    http://tinyurl.com/yevtv3v (female+african+american+politicians)
> with Google Squared results
>
> http://www.google.com/squared/search?q=female+african+american+politicians
>
> or this example
>
>
> http://www.freebase.com/labs/cubed/?q=republican%20presidents%27%20children%27s%20schools
> with
>
>
> http://www.google.com/squared/search?q=republican+presidents%27+children%27s+schools
>
> The goal is to make this widget embeddable in any app, such as this one
> for exporting collections as TSV
>
>    http://collection-exporter.freebaseapps.com/
>
> Please consider this "alpha" only, not yet production worthy. But let me
> know if you have any potential use for it! Comments, feedback very much
> appreciated!
>
> David
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
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From david at metaweb.com  Sun Nov 15 05:33:49 2009
From: david at metaweb.com (David Huynh)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:33:49 -0800
Subject: [Developers] cubed: an experiment for collection queries
In-Reply-To: <be63e0470911141939jeecc49fuf06fb6832c357a80@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AFF559C.9030101@metaweb.com>
	<be63e0470911141939jeecc49fuf06fb6832c357a80@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AFF92BD.9060701@metaweb.com>

Glad you like it! I haven't decided how to score base and user types 
relative to common types yet, so that's why that community garden type 
doesn't show up. What else have you tried that didn't work?

David

Paul Mackay wrote:
> That's pretty neat!
>
> What's the scope of queries it should be able to resolve? I tried 
> "community gardens vancouver" which relates to the Local Food base I'm 
> working on, but it just shows a box with "No suggested matches". Any 
> ideas why?
>
> thanks
>
> paul
>
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 5:13 PM, David Huynh <david at metaweb.com 
> <mailto:david at metaweb.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     If you're looking for a collection of topics, say, drama films
>     starring
>     Nicole Kidman, it takes a bit of mental work to translate that to
>     a MQL
>     query. Wouldn't it be nice if that can be automated? Here's an
>     experiment that does just that
>
>      
>      http://www.freebase.com/labs/cubed/?q=nicole%20kidman%20drama%20films
>
>     This is like a power version of the freebase suggest widget that can
>     resolve "collection queries".
>
>     Compare this example
>        http://tinyurl.com/yevtv3v (female+african+american+politicians)
>     with Google Squared results
>
>     http://www.google.com/squared/search?q=female+african+american+politicians
>
>     or this example
>
>     http://www.freebase.com/labs/cubed/?q=republican%20presidents%27%20children%27s%20schools
>     with
>
>     http://www.google.com/squared/search?q=republican+presidents%27+children%27s+schools
>
>     The goal is to make this widget embeddable in any app, such as
>     this one
>     for exporting collections as TSV
>
>        http://collection-exporter.freebaseapps.com/
>
>     Please consider this "alpha" only, not yet production worthy. But
>     let me
>     know if you have any potential use for it! Comments, feedback very
>     much
>     appreciated!
>
>     David
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Developers mailing list
>     Developers at freebase.com <mailto:Developers at freebase.com>
>     http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From iainsproat at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 08:16:17 2009
From: iainsproat at gmail.com (Iain Sproat)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:16:17 +0400
Subject: [Developers] cubed: an experiment for collection queries
In-Reply-To: <4AFF92BD.9060701@metaweb.com>
References: <4AFF559C.9030101@metaweb.com>
	<be63e0470911141939jeecc49fuf06fb6832c357a80@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AFF92BD.9060701@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <f70332fb0911150016u12447b7by526c7f014d41538b@mail.gmail.com>

Awesome!  And the MQL created is much cleaner than the query generated
by the views in the client (no sorting/timestamp padding).

Iain

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 9:33 AM, David Huynh <david at metaweb.com> wrote:
> Glad you like it! I haven't decided how to score base and user types
> relative to common types yet, so that's why that community garden type
> doesn't show up. What else have you tried that didn't work?
>
> David
>
> Paul Mackay wrote:
>> That's pretty neat!
>>
>> What's the scope of queries it should be able to resolve? I tried
>> "community gardens vancouver" which relates to the Local Food base I'm
>> working on, but it just shows a box with "No suggested matches". Any
>> ideas why?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> paul
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 5:13 PM, David Huynh <david at metaweb.com
>> <mailto:david at metaweb.com>> wrote:
>>
>> ? ? Hi all,
>>
>> ? ? If you're looking for a collection of topics, say, drama films
>> ? ? starring
>> ? ? Nicole Kidman, it takes a bit of mental work to translate that to
>> ? ? a MQL
>> ? ? query. Wouldn't it be nice if that can be automated? Here's an
>> ? ? experiment that does just that
>>
>>
>> ? ? ?http://www.freebase.com/labs/cubed/?q=nicole%20kidman%20drama%20films
>>
>> ? ? This is like a power version of the freebase suggest widget that can
>> ? ? resolve "collection queries".
>>
>> ? ? Compare this example
>> ? ? ? ?http://tinyurl.com/yevtv3v (female+african+american+politicians)
>> ? ? with Google Squared results
>>
>> ? ? http://www.google.com/squared/search?q=female+african+american+politicians
>>
>> ? ? or this example
>>
>> ? ? http://www.freebase.com/labs/cubed/?q=republican%20presidents%27%20children%27s%20schools
>> ? ? with
>>
>> ? ? http://www.google.com/squared/search?q=republican+presidents%27+children%27s+schools
>>
>> ? ? The goal is to make this widget embeddable in any app, such as
>> ? ? this one
>> ? ? for exporting collections as TSV
>>
>> ? ? ? ?http://collection-exporter.freebaseapps.com/
>>
>> ? ? Please consider this "alpha" only, not yet production worthy. But
>> ? ? let me
>> ? ? know if you have any potential use for it! Comments, feedback very
>> ? ? much
>> ? ? appreciated!
>>
>> ? ? David
>>
>> ? ? _______________________________________________
>> ? ? Developers mailing list
>> ? ? Developers at freebase.com <mailto:Developers at freebase.com>
>> ? ? http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Developers mailing list
>> Developers at freebase.com
>> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>>
>
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From spencerkelly86 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 06:28:23 2009
From: spencerkelly86 at gmail.com (Spencer Kelly)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:28:23 -0500
Subject: [Developers] cubed: an experiment for collection queries
In-Reply-To: <f70332fb0911150016u12447b7by526c7f014d41538b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AFF559C.9030101@metaweb.com>
	<be63e0470911141939jeecc49fuf06fb6832c357a80@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4AFF92BD.9060701@metaweb.com>
	<f70332fb0911150016u12447b7by526c7f014d41538b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <db945ac40911152228q4e99a050j94f58ac7ec0dfca3@mail.gmail.com>

i really love this so much.

'collection queries' means i guess that all answers take the form of ids -
-why it doesn't answer ''david bowie's date of birth'. this is curious to
me, as this sort of thing seems way easier to do than the advanced examples.
Infact, i wrote it last week, using your pluralizer app
http://ubiquity.freebaseapps.com
so, is the collection query limitation a temporary thing?

i'd love it to have a developper api that doesn't send things to suggest-
text-in, mql-out. I tried to pull this out of the code but got so confused.

i'd love to see it as a ubiquity command , i'd love an acre.cubed('japanese
skateboarders') function.

With properties, cubed is able to resolve 'nirvana albums' but not 'nirvana
records', 'nevermind tracks' but not 'nevermind songs' , as /type/property
doesn't have an alias property like /common/topic.
i've recently made this type -
http://www.freebase.com/view/base/natlang/property_alias  and am trying to
think of creative ways to fill it. wordnet?
do you have plans for addressing this?

is it true that it learns? cubed-helper.metaweb.com?


you are the world's best. this is the killer app of the semantic web and it
changes everything.
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From david at metaweb.com  Mon Nov 16 18:11:02 2009
From: david at metaweb.com (David Huynh)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:11:02 -0800
Subject: [Developers] cubed: an experiment for collection queries
In-Reply-To: <db945ac40911152228q4e99a050j94f58ac7ec0dfca3@mail.gmail.com>
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Spencer Kelly wrote:
> i really love this so much.
Glad you like it :-)
> 'collection queries' means i guess that all answers take the form of 
> ids - -why it doesn't answer ''david bowie's date of birth'. this is 
> curious to me, as this sort of thing seems way easier to do than the 
> advanced examples. Infact, i wrote it last week, using your pluralizer 
> app http://ubiquity.freebaseapps.com
> so, is the collection query limitation a temporary thing?
I didn't realize you've been going for something quite similar ... Will 
Moffat here has written a ubiquity command before and maybe he can help 
putting everything together.
    http://blog.hamstersoup.com/2008/08/27/freebase-search-for-ubiquity/

It shouldn't be hard to make cubed's core algorithm answer "david 
bowie's date of birth". The suggest UI (dropdown + flyout) might not be 
suitable for single value answers, though. But cubed can support a mode 
for value answers that you can use in ubiquity.

> i'd love it to have a developper api that doesn't send things to 
> suggest- text-in, mql-out. I tried to pull this out of the code but 
> got so confused.
That's probably because I tried to optimize it :-) You can play with the 
test entry point

http://cubed.freebaseapps.com/ajax_suggest_test?search=0&mode=chunking-forms&query=republican%20presidents%20children

mode can be one of
    chunking or chunking-forms
    growing
    unifying
    extending
    condensing
    approving
    explaining
Those are stages of the algorithm. Most interesting are chunking 
(segmenting the query into terms), growing (building up the structured 
query), approving (selecting only non-empty results), explaining 
(generating English name for the structured query).

> i'd love to see it as a ubiquity command , i'd love an 
> acre.cubed('japanese skateboarders') function.
How would that work without UI interaction?

> With properties, cubed is able to resolve 'nirvana albums' but not 
> 'nirvana records', 'nevermind tracks' but not 'nevermind songs' , as 
> /type/property doesn't have an alias property like /common/topic.
> i've recently made this type -  
> http://www.freebase.com/view/base/natlang/property_alias  and am 
> trying to think of creative ways to fill it. wordnet?
> do you have plans for addressing this?
I'd like to address this problem, but I don't have any plan yet. 
Properties are a pain to deal with because there are several naming 
schemes. I'd welcome aliases for properties, though I don't have any 
idea how to fill them in except for manually going through them ... In 
order to generate textual explanations of the suggestions, I had to 
manually annotate 1,400 properties with English phrasing patterns.

> is it true that it learns? cubed-helper.metaweb.com 
> <http://cubed-helper.metaweb.com>?
Not yet :-)

David


From daepark at metaweb.com  Mon Nov 16 19:52:58 2009
From: daepark at metaweb.com (Dae Park)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:52:58 -0800
Subject: [Developers] jquery-acre integration utilities
In-Reply-To: <4AF08F8C.7020102@metaweb.com>
References: <4AF08F8C.7020102@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <9EF4A797-BF3C-46FE-8855-C48D9787493C@metaweb.com>

can you add jquery.form.js to jquery.freebaseapps.com?

-dae

On Nov 3, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:

> It's very easy to use jquery in Acre apps, but there are certain  
> things
> that one tends to do over and over when creating new apps, so I  
> spent a
> little time today and organized all jquery-related utilities into a
> single acre app that you can use for all your jquery needs.
>
> Find it at
>
>  http://jquery.freebaseapps.com/
>
> and read how to use it there.
>
> If you want/need more functionality or plugins connected, just let me
> know and I'll add them.
>
> NOTE: the acre default library at http://default.freebaseapps.com/ now
> uses the jquery utilities library for the jquery-related activities  
> but
> it's completely back compatible, you don't need to change anything in
> your code, the defaults templates will just transparently pass thru to
> the jquery ones.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> -- 
> Stefano Mazzocchi                              Application Catalyst
> Metaweb Technologies, Inc.                      stefano at metaweb.com
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From stefano at metaweb.com  Mon Nov 16 20:49:42 2009
From: stefano at metaweb.com (Stefano Mazzocchi)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:49:42 -0800
Subject: [Developers] jquery-acre integration utilities
In-Reply-To: <9EF4A797-BF3C-46FE-8855-C48D9787493C@metaweb.com>
References: <4AF08F8C.7020102@metaweb.com>
	<9EF4A797-BF3C-46FE-8855-C48D9787493C@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <4B01BAE6.7090102@metaweb.com>

Dae Park wrote:
> can you add jquery.form.js to jquery.freebaseapps.com?

This one?

http://jquery.malsup.com/form/

> 
> -dae
> 
> On Nov 3, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> 
>> It's very easy to use jquery in Acre apps, but there are certain  
>> things
>> that one tends to do over and over when creating new apps, so I  
>> spent a
>> little time today and organized all jquery-related utilities into a
>> single acre app that you can use for all your jquery needs.
>>
>> Find it at
>>
>>  http://jquery.freebaseapps.com/
>>
>> and read how to use it there.
>>
>> If you want/need more functionality or plugins connected, just let me
>> know and I'll add them.
>>
>> NOTE: the acre default library at http://default.freebaseapps.com/ now
>> uses the jquery utilities library for the jquery-related activities  
>> but
>> it's completely back compatible, you don't need to change anything in
>> your code, the defaults templates will just transparently pass thru to
>> the jquery ones.
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> -- 
>> Stefano Mazzocchi                              Application Catalyst
>> Metaweb Technologies, Inc.                      stefano at metaweb.com
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Developers mailing list
>> Developers at freebase.com
>> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Developers at freebase.com
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-- 
Stefano Mazzocchi                              Application Catalyst
Metaweb Technologies, Inc.                      stefano at metaweb.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------


From kirrily at metaweb.com  Mon Nov 16 20:53:20 2009
From: kirrily at metaweb.com (Kirrily Robert)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:53:20 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Please vote on the review queue
Message-ID: <8D6E1BF5-8286-439D-9851-5C60E225F372@metaweb.com>

Hi all,

This isn't strictly a dev or data-modeling issue, so I hope you don't  
mind me posting about it, but we need to rally the troops to attack  
our review queue (http://www.freebase.com/tools/pipeline/showtask).   
The review queue is where things wind up that are flagged "delete" or  
"merge" via the Freebase website.  Due to some mass-flagging of  
certain Wikipedia topics for delete (a good thing!) and a bug that  
meant some people's votes weren't being applied effectively (not such  
a good thing!) the queue has recently built up to over 3000 items.   
However, we've got a workaround for that bug so people's votes count  
fully now.

If you've got a few minutes to spare, please go vote on some stuff!   
Each item needs a consensus between three voters to be processed.   
There's some more documentation of how it works and how you should  
vote here: http://wiki.freebase.com/wiki/Review_Queue

K.


-- 
Kirrily Robert
Freebase Community Director
kirrily at metaweb.com
http://freebase.com/





From jack.alves at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 22:49:38 2009
From: jack.alves at gmail.com (Jack Alves)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:49:38 -0800
Subject: [Developers] mqlreaditer timeout
Message-ID: <554723b0911161449j72ce1c1tb19a6eaf4d150b7a@mail.gmail.com>

I get a MQL Query timeout error after about 8 iterations using the script
below. If I set limit to 10 I get 80 results. If I set limit to 100 I get
800 results. The specific numbers aren't consistent but the general behavior
of a timeouts after some number of iterations is consistent.

Why could cause this? Are there ways to avoid this problem without changing
the query? I have a stripped down query that works. When I first tried this
I wasn't using HTTPMetawebSession. It seemed like results were worse without
that but the doc doesn't say it is necessary.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
import simplejson
import freebase
from freebase.api import HTTPMetawebSession, MetawebError


# Set the freebase query
q = [{
    "/book/author/book_editions_edited": [
      {
        "id": None,
        "name": None,
        "optional": True,
        "type": "/book/book_edition"
      }
    ],
    "/book/author/contributing_author_to": [
      {
        "id": None,
        "name": None,
        "optional": True,
        "type": "/book/book_edition"
      }
    ],
    "/book/author/openlibrary_id": [
      {
        "optional": True,
        "type": "/type/enumeration",
        "value": None
      }
    ],
    "/book/author/series_written_or_contributed_to": [
      {
        "id": None,
        "name": None,
        "optional": True,
        "type": "/book/literary_series"
      }
    ],
    "/book/author/works_edited": [
      {
        "id": None,
        "name": None,
        "optional": True,
        "type": "/book/written_work"
      }
    ],
    "/book/author/works_written": [
      {
        "id": None,
        "name": None,
        "optional": True,
        "type": "/book/written_work"
      }
    ],
    "/common/topic/article": {
      "guid": None,
      "limit": 1,
      "optional": True
    },
    "/common/topic/image": {
      "id": None,
      "limit": 1,
      "optional": True
    },
    "date_of_birth": None,
    "education": [
      {
        "id": None,
        "major_field_of_study": [
          {
            "id": None,
            "name": None,
            "optional": True,
            "type": "/education/field_of_study"
          }
        ],
        "optional": True,
        "specialization": [
          {
            "id": None,
            "name": None,
            "optional": True,
            "type": "/education/field_of_study"
          }
        ],
        "start_date": None,
        "type": "/education/education"
      }
    ],
    "employment_history": [
      {
        "id": None,
        "optional": True,
        "title": {
          "id": None,
          "name": None,
          "optional": True
        },
        "to": None,
        "type": "/business/employment_tenure"
      }
    ],
    "id": None,
    "name": None,
    "nationality": [
      {
        "id": None,
        "name": None,
        "optional": True,
        "type": "/location/country"
      }
    ],
    "profession": [
      {
        "id": None,
        "name": None,
        "optional": True,
        "type": "/people/profession"
      }
    ],
  "creator":       None,
  "key": [{
    "namespace":None,
    "value":None
  }],
  "!pd:/people/profession/people_with_this_profession": [{
    "id":     "/en/mathematician",
    "name":   None,
    "type":   "/people/profession"
  }],
  "limit":10,
  "sort":          "-date_of_birth",
  "type":          "/people/person",
  "more:type":[]

 }]

freebase = HTTPMetawebSession('freebase.com')
result_set = freebase.mqlreaditer(q)
for result_batch in result_set:
    print simplejson.dumps(result_batch,indent=4)
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From tfmorris at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 23:17:36 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:17:36 -0500
Subject: [Developers] mqlreaditer timeout
In-Reply-To: <554723b0911161449j72ce1c1tb19a6eaf4d150b7a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <554723b0911161449j72ce1c1tb19a6eaf4d150b7a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c5f3f16f0911161517u74a06d03g14bbe90395a3ce37@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Jack Alves <jack.alves at gmail.com> wrote:
> I get a MQL Query timeout error after about 8 iterations using the script
> below. If I set limit to 10 I get 80 results. If I set limit to 100 I get
> 800 results. The specific numbers aren't consistent but the general behavior
> of a timeouts after some number of iterations is consistent.

To generalize Jack's questions:

- What tools and documentation are available to help with query optimization?

- Why aren't query complexity limits deterministic?  I understand that
there's a data component to this which will cause variability as the
contents of the database change, but I think it's just plain wrong
that *my* queries will timeout at some random time because of *someone
else's* applied load which I have no control over.  It makes
application behavior totally random.

> Why could cause this? Are there ways to avoid this problem without changing
> the query? I have a stripped down query that works.

It may be my imagination, but I think that using a lower limit (which
results in higher overhead) is less likely to time out (it's got to do
less work to fill the query).

I know it doesn't mean your "no query changes" criteria, but it's my
impression that sort is a fairly expensive operation, so I'd try to
eliminate it if you can.

Tom

From jack.alves at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 00:21:50 2009
From: jack.alves at gmail.com (Jack Alves)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:21:50 -0800
Subject: [Developers] mqlreaditer timeout
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0911161517u74a06d03g14bbe90395a3ce37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <554723b0911161449j72ce1c1tb19a6eaf4d150b7a@mail.gmail.com>
	<c5f3f16f0911161517u74a06d03g14bbe90395a3ce37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <554723b0911161621y5c18324bu45c8d1c630ae1be@mail.gmail.com>

At one point it seemed like a lower limit was better but it isn't clear.
Yes, removing the sort resolves the problem.


On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Tom Morris <tfmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Jack Alves <jack.alves at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I get a MQL Query timeout error after about 8 iterations using the script
> > below. If I set limit to 10 I get 80 results. If I set limit to 100 I get
> > 800 results. The specific numbers aren't consistent but the general
> behavior
> > of a timeouts after some number of iterations is consistent.
>
> To generalize Jack's questions:
>
> - What tools and documentation are available to help with query
> optimization?
>
> - Why aren't query complexity limits deterministic?  I understand that
> there's a data component to this which will cause variability as the
> contents of the database change, but I think it's just plain wrong
> that *my* queries will timeout at some random time because of *someone
> else's* applied load which I have no control over.  It makes
> application behavior totally random.
>
> > Why could cause this? Are there ways to avoid this problem without
> changing
> > the query? I have a stripped down query that works.
>
> It may be my imagination, but I think that using a lower limit (which
> results in higher overhead) is less likely to time out (it's got to do
> less work to fill the query).
>
> I know it doesn't mean your "no query changes" criteria, but it's my
> impression that sort is a fairly expensive operation, so I'd try to
> eliminate it if you can.
>
> Tom
> _______________________________________________
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From sm at metaweb.com  Tue Nov 17 00:11:32 2009
From: sm at metaweb.com (Scott Meyer)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:11:32 -0800
Subject: [Developers] mqlreaditer timeout
In-Reply-To: <554723b0911161449j72ce1c1tb19a6eaf4d150b7a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <554723b0911161449j72ce1c1tb19a6eaf4d150b7a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B01EA34.3050004@metaweb.com>

Jack Alves wrote:
> I get a MQL Query timeout error after about 8 iterations using the
> script below. If I set limit to 10 I get 80 results. If I set limit to
> 100 I get 800 results. The specific numbers aren't consistent but the
> general behavior of a timeouts after some number of iterations is
> consistent.
> 
> Why could cause this? Are there ways to avoid this problem without
> changing the query? I have a stripped down query that works. When I
> first tried this I wasn't using HTTPMetawebSession. It seemed like
> results were worse without that but the doc doesn't say it is necessary.

I've filed a bug for you:

https://bugs.freebase.com/browse/FREEBASE-1389

Initial triage shows that this problem is just due to heavy load on
some of the graph servers.  Your basic query seems to take about 3 - 5
seconds and heavy load on the graph can cause a timeout.

We're moving towards a timeout based on user-time rather than
elapsed, which should help this particular case.  The current graph load
problem should be resolved soon.

-Scott

From sm at metaweb.com  Tue Nov 17 00:20:22 2009
From: sm at metaweb.com (Scott Meyer)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:20:22 -0800
Subject: [Developers] mqlreaditer timeout
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0911161517u74a06d03g14bbe90395a3ce37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <554723b0911161449j72ce1c1tb19a6eaf4d150b7a@mail.gmail.com>
	<c5f3f16f0911161517u74a06d03g14bbe90395a3ce37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B01EC46.1080002@metaweb.com>

Tom Morris wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Jack Alves <jack.alves at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I get a MQL Query timeout error after about 8 iterations using the script
>> below. If I set limit to 10 I get 80 results. If I set limit to 100 I get
>> 800 results. The specific numbers aren't consistent but the general behavior
>> of a timeouts after some number of iterations is consistent.
> 
> To generalize Jack's questions:
> 
> - What tools and documentation are available to help with query optimization?

Unfortunately, we don't have much.  Aside from avoiding obviously
hard things: sorting large collections, intersecting large collections
where the result set is small, the basic tool for optimizing a query
is divide-and-conquer.

What sort optimization tool would you like?

> - Why aren't query complexity limits deterministic?

What sort of determinism do you want?  Deterministic response or
deterministic effort?  We started out with the former (it was
easy to implement) and are migrating towards the latter.

-Scott

From pauljmackay at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 06:37:17 2009
From: pauljmackay at gmail.com (Paul Mackay)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:37:17 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Example app that plots locations
Message-ID: <be63e0470911162237n3ea61e9r72cbf796c48951aa@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Can anyone suggest a good Acre app that shows a simple method of plotting
location topics onto a map?

thanks

paul
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From tfmorris at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 08:39:30 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:39:30 -0500
Subject: [Developers] mqlreaditer timeout
In-Reply-To: <4B01EC46.1080002@metaweb.com>
References: <554723b0911161449j72ce1c1tb19a6eaf4d150b7a@mail.gmail.com>
	<c5f3f16f0911161517u74a06d03g14bbe90395a3ce37@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B01EC46.1080002@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <c5f3f16f0911170039k7b98033dr1f73394b4eebfb6c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Scott Meyer <sm at metaweb.com> wrote:
> Tom Morris wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Jack Alves <jack.alves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I get a MQL Query timeout error after about 8 iterations using the script
>>> below. If I set limit to 10 I get 80 results. If I set limit to 100 I get
>>> 800 results. The specific numbers aren't consistent but the general behavior
>>> of a timeouts after some number of iterations is consistent.
>>
>> To generalize Jack's questions:
>>
>> - What tools and documentation are available to help with query optimization?
>
> Unfortunately, we don't have much. ?Aside from avoiding obviously
> hard things: sorting large collections, intersecting large collections
> where the result set is small, the basic tool for optimizing a query
> is divide-and-conquer.
>
> What sort optimization tool would you like?

Perhaps a list of the "obviously hard things" and a couple of
paragraphs on best practices would be a good start.  I've got kind of
a mental model of how things might work, but no idea of how it matches
up with what's actually expensive for the database.

As far as tools go, I've got only the vaguest idea of something which
highlights the "expensive" parts of a query.  No idea as to how
realistic that is, or what form it would take.

>> - Why aren't query complexity limits deterministic?
>
> What sort of determinism do you want? ?Deterministic response or
> deterministic effort? ?We started out with the former (it was
> easy to implement) and are migrating towards the latter.

Ideally I want a query that worked when I debugged it to work 100% of
the time and for all eternity.  Doing quotas based on resources used
rather than elapsed time would probably fix 90%+ of the cases that I'm
interested in.  Hopefully a similar strategy will be applied to the
Acre page time quota.

Tom

From philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk  Tue Nov 17 10:27:56 2009
From: philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk (Philip Kendall)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:27:56 +0000
Subject: [Developers] mqlreaditer timeout
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0911161517u74a06d03g14bbe90395a3ce37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <554723b0911161449j72ce1c1tb19a6eaf4d150b7a@mail.gmail.com>
	<c5f3f16f0911161517u74a06d03g14bbe90395a3ce37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091117102756.GL18508@sphinx.mythic-beasts.com>

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 06:17:36PM -0500, Tom Morris wrote:
> - What tools and documentation are available to help with query optimization?

I've just started http://wiki.freebase.com/wiki/Query_optimization

Everyone please feel free to add to it :-)

Cheers,

Phil

-- 
  Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/

From tfmorris at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 12:03:09 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:03:09 -0500
Subject: [Developers] Query timeout counting books
Message-ID: <c5f3f16f0911170403n504ad75s417d575824b81f67@mail.gmail.com>

Why does this query

?[{"type":"/book/book",
   "timestamp<=":"2006-10-22T08:49:31",
   "return":"count"
  }]

time out, while the following returns an answer when the timestamp
criterium is only 1 second different?

?[{"type":"/book/book",
   "timestamp<=":"2006-10-22T08:49:30",
   "return":"count"
  }]

Tom

From sm at metaweb.com  Tue Nov 17 16:41:41 2009
From: sm at metaweb.com (Scott Meyer)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:41:41 -0800
Subject: [Developers] mqlreaditer timeout
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0911170039k7b98033dr1f73394b4eebfb6c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <554723b0911161449j72ce1c1tb19a6eaf4d150b7a@mail.gmail.com>	
	<c5f3f16f0911161517u74a06d03g14bbe90395a3ce37@mail.gmail.com>	
	<4B01EC46.1080002@metaweb.com>
	<c5f3f16f0911170039k7b98033dr1f73394b4eebfb6c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B02D245.8030706@metaweb.com>

Tom Morris wrote:

>>> - Why aren't query complexity limits deterministic?
>> What sort of determinism do you want?  Deterministic response or
>> deterministic effort?  We started out with the former (it was
>> easy to implement) and are migrating towards the latter.
> 
> Ideally I want a query that worked when I debugged it to work 100% of
> the time and for all eternity.  Doing quotas based on resources used
> rather than elapsed time would probably fix 90%+ of the cases that I'm
> interested in.  Hopefully a similar strategy will be applied to the
> Acre page time quota.

https://bugs.freebase.com/browse/FREEBASE-1391

OK, we're already moving in the right direction.  I've created a bug
to chivvy us along.

-Scott

From stefano at metaweb.com  Tue Nov 17 17:26:09 2009
From: stefano at metaweb.com (Stefano Mazzocchi)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:26:09 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Example app that plots locations
In-Reply-To: <be63e0470911162237n3ea61e9r72cbf796c48951aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <be63e0470911162237n3ea61e9r72cbf796c48951aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B02DCB1.1070305@metaweb.com>

Paul Mackay wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Can anyone suggest a good Acre app that shows a simple method of 
> plotting location topics onto a map?

codesearch is your friend

  http://codesearch.freebaseapps.com/?q=maps.google.com

-- 
Stefano Mazzocchi                              Application Catalyst
Metaweb Technologies, Inc.                      stefano at metaweb.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------


From jg at metaweb.com  Tue Nov 17 21:49:52 2009
From: jg at metaweb.com (John Giannandrea)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:49:52 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Query timeout counting books
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0911170403n504ad75s417d575824b81f67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c5f3f16f0911170403n504ad75s417d575824b81f67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1D332C13-47B0-4076-96A0-B16FAC043E20@metaweb.com>


Tom Morris wrote:
> Why does this query
> ?[{"type":"/book/book",
>   "timestamp<=":"2006-10-22T08:49:31",
>   "return":"count"
>  }]
> time out, while the following returns an answer when the timestamp
> criterium is only 1 second different?

That's a nice bug.  The estimate counts are way off in the two  
queries.  I filed GD-802

-jg


From bryan at metaweb.com  Tue Nov 17 23:05:57 2009
From: bryan at metaweb.com (Bryan Culbertson)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:05:57 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Flagging Model aka Opinion Collections and Duplicate
	Collections
Message-ID: <E268C954-7E61-4C36-9409-4D2694F69025@metaweb.com>

Hey all,

We are revisiting the flagging model that we use for Freebase. If  
you've never heard of an Opinion Collection feel free to ignore this  
email and continue with your day. However if you have any code that  
depends on it please send me an email (bryan at metaweb.com) so we can  
discuss migration.

For those interested /freebase/opinion_collection and /freebase/ 
duplicate_collection have historically been what the client uses to  
mark a topic for deletion or for merge. I am proposing scrapping these  
and moving to a more consistent model which I'm calling /freebase/ 
review_flag. For the details see http://wiki.freebase.com/wiki/Review_Flag_Proposal

Thanks,
Bryan Culbertson
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From kurt at spaceship.com  Tue Nov 17 23:44:11 2009
From: kurt at spaceship.com (Kurt Bollacker)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:44:11 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Flagging Model aka Opinion Collections and
	Duplicate Collections
In-Reply-To: <E268C954-7E61-4C36-9409-4D2694F69025@metaweb.com>
References: <E268C954-7E61-4C36-9409-4D2694F69025@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <20091117234411.GD2607@spaceship.com>


On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 03:05:57PM -0800, Bryan Culbertson wrote:
> For those interested /freebase/opinion_collection and /freebase/ 
> duplicate_collection have historically been what the client uses to  
> mark a topic for deletion or for merge. I am proposing scrapping these  
> and moving to a more consistent model which I'm calling /freebase/ 
> review_flag. For the details see 
> http://wiki.freebase.com/wiki/Review_Flag_Proposal

As the creator of opinion collections and duplicate collections, I'd
say that after 2.5 years, a refactoring is probably long overdue.
However, I thought I'd share some of the reasoning that went into the
original model.

- The authority property was used to explicitly indicate the holder of
  the opinion rather than implicit as a Freebase user.  The reasonaing
  was that there might be alogrithmic sources of that opinion not tied
  to a specific user. Remember, this was built before we had a stable
  "attribution" model.

- Opinion collections were not originally intended to be limited to a
  single topic for non-merge cases.  It was thought that perhaps there
  was some dependency between multiple flags (i.e. Topic A should be
  deleted and topic B should be split into A' and B').  In reality,
  these complex cases turned out to be too rare to be worth the extra
  representational cost.  The new proposal does not represent these
  dependencies.

Overall, however, I like the new model.  It is simpler and easier.
Fascinating how much real world usage teaches you.


							Kurt :-)


From philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk  Sun Nov 22 12:49:53 2009
From: philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk (Philip Kendall)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:49:53 +0000
Subject: [Developers] Ask Freebase a question
Message-ID: <20091122124953.GO18508@sphinx.mythic-beasts.com>

As people here are hopefully aware, Freebase isn't a "do what I mean"
service... but that doesn't mean you can't build one using Freebase.

http://askfreebase.freebaseapps.com/

or if you want to do something with the results yourself:

http://askfreebase.freebaseapps.com/json?service=parse&q=What%20is%20the%20population%20of%20China?
http://askfreebase.freebaseapps.com/json?service=fetch&subject=China&predicate=population

or to do it in one step:

http://askfreebase.freebaseapps.com/json?service=answer&q=What%20is%20the%20population%20of%20China?

Note that (in particular) the question parsing is quite spectacularly
dumb. Anyone who wants to contribute a better algorithm is more than
welcome :-)

Cheers,

Phil

-- 
  Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/

From jason at metaweb.com  Sun Nov 22 23:50:40 2009
From: jason at metaweb.com (Jason Douglas)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:50:40 -0800
Subject: [Developers] save failure in app editor
Message-ID: <6F7AE3F5-C49A-4DF6-949C-298A16F8375C@metaweb.com>

just following instructions:

{
  "code" : "/api/status/error",
  "messages" : [
    {
      "code" : "/api/status/error/mql/result",
      "info" : {
        "subclass" : "OUTDATED"
      },
      "message" : "Write partially complete (locking failure) -- please report this to developers at freebase.com",
      "path" : "content",
      "query" : {
        "content" : {
          "connect" : "update",
          "id" : "/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000001175117c"
        },
        "id" : "/user/jdouglas/acre/test",
        "type" : "/common/document",
        "updated" : {
          "connect" : "update",
          "value" : "2009-11-22T23:42:44.396646Z"
        }
      }
    },
    {
      "code" : "/service/external",
      "message" : "Error fetching external URL"
    }
  ],
  "status" : "400 Bad Request",
  "transaction_id" : "cache;cache02.p01.sjc1:8101;2009-11-22T23:42:43Z;0028"
}

From spencerkelly86 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 05:38:09 2009
From: spencerkelly86 at gmail.com (Spencer Kelly)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:38:09 -0500
Subject: [Developers] Ask Freebase a question
In-Reply-To: <20091122124953.GO18508@sphinx.mythic-beasts.com>
References: <20091122124953.GO18508@sphinx.mythic-beasts.com>
Message-ID: <db945ac40911222138n2b311a1al95611b892c6ae084@mail.gmail.com>

> Anyone who wants to contribute a better algorithm is more than
> welcome :-)
>

im so your guy. i cloned hey freebase a while back and have been hacking at
it pretty hard.
http://westport.freebaseapps.com/

lets work together

things mine does well-
uses a 500 or so property aliases ('/people/person/profession = 'job' etc)
http://www.freebase.com/view/base/natlang/property_alias/ and growing.
(i did them yesterday while watching dexter)

you can run it in ubiquity -
http://www.spencerwaterbed.com/soft/ubiquity/westport.html

supports some alternate query forms-
heres the algorythm its using so far:
 if it is one word, assume its a topic
if it has the middle word 'of', assume its [property] of [topic]
if it has an 'apostrophe s', try [topic]'s [property]
else, permutate the words, use the first good match

its not perfect, and has many bugs yet.
plan to write something for ambiguous queries like 'length of the titanic',
but want to keep it quick.  plan to toss harder collection queries (like
'brunette cheerleaders') at cubed.freebaseapps.com.  but agree there is
defenetly a niche for quick, one-off answers to simple property-topic
questions.
shawn also has something running of this nature -
http://answers.freebaseapps.com

i'll add you as an author, let me stabilise it first, maybe tonight.
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From jg at metaweb.com  Mon Nov 23 06:18:50 2009
From: jg at metaweb.com (John Giannandrea)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:18:50 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Ask Freebase a question
In-Reply-To: <db945ac40911222138n2b311a1al95611b892c6ae084@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091122124953.GO18508@sphinx.mythic-beasts.com>
	<db945ac40911222138n2b311a1al95611b892c6ae084@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3EC89302-1902-48C9-B571-59B381440682@metaweb.com>


Spencer Kelly wrote:
> uses a 500 or so property aliases ('/people/person/profession =  
> 'job' etc) http://www.freebase.com/view/base/natlang/property_alias/  
> and growing.

perhaps there is a way to use wordnet for this, for example:

http://wordnet.freebaseapps.com/index?word=profession
leads to:
http://wordnet.freebaseapps.com/synset?synset=/user/jamie/wordnet/synset/100609953

-jg



From jg at metaweb.com  Mon Nov 23 06:23:17 2009
From: jg at metaweb.com (John Giannandrea)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:23:17 -0800
Subject: [Developers] save failure in app editor
In-Reply-To: <6F7AE3F5-C49A-4DF6-949C-298A16F8375C@metaweb.com>
References: <6F7AE3F5-C49A-4DF6-949C-298A16F8375C@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <9597ABF3-9896-403B-8C13-534D9BC08A8B@metaweb.com>


thanks.  being tracked in MQL-592.
-jg

On Nov 22, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Jason Douglas wrote:
>  "status" : "400 Bad Request",
>  "transaction_id" :  
> "cache;cache02.p01.sjc1:8101;2009-11-22T23:42:43Z;0028"


From kurt at spaceship.com  Mon Nov 23 06:58:24 2009
From: kurt at spaceship.com (Kurt Bollacker)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:58:24 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Ask Freebase a question
In-Reply-To: <db945ac40911222138n2b311a1al95611b892c6ae084@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091122124953.GO18508@sphinx.mythic-beasts.com>
	<db945ac40911222138n2b311a1al95611b892c6ae084@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091123065824.GL8793@spaceship.com>


I'm excited to see a long-ago-anticipated app like this finally
appear.  My pet feature would be to build a database of language
syntactic patterns to be mapped to MQL queries.  Examples include:

Who are the cousins of Ben Stiller?
Who are actors married to actors?
Who are the republican presidents?

These mappings would be topics (CVTs?) in themselves, and thus could
be collaboratively collected.

							Kurt :-)





On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:38:09AM -0500, Spencer Kelly wrote:
> > Anyone who wants to contribute a better algorithm is more than
> > welcome :-)
> >
> 
> im so your guy. i cloned hey freebase a while back and have been hacking at
> it pretty hard.
> http://westport.freebaseapps.com/
> 
> lets work together
> 
> things mine does well-
> uses a 500 or so property aliases ('/people/person/profession = 'job' etc)
> http://www.freebase.com/view/base/natlang/property_alias/ and growing.
> (i did them yesterday while watching dexter)
> 
> you can run it in ubiquity -
> http://www.spencerwaterbed.com/soft/ubiquity/westport.html
> 
> supports some alternate query forms-
> heres the algorythm its using so far:
>  if it is one word, assume its a topic
> if it has the middle word 'of', assume its [property] of [topic]
> if it has an 'apostrophe s', try [topic]'s [property]
> else, permutate the words, use the first good match
> 
> its not perfect, and has many bugs yet.
> plan to write something for ambiguous queries like 'length of the titanic',
> but want to keep it quick.  plan to toss harder collection queries (like
> 'brunette cheerleaders') at cubed.freebaseapps.com.  but agree there is
> defenetly a niche for quick, one-off answers to simple property-topic
> questions.
> shawn also has something running of this nature -
> http://answers.freebaseapps.com
> 
> i'll add you as an author, let me stabilise it first, maybe tonight.

> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers


From iainsproat at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 07:01:12 2009
From: iainsproat at gmail.com (Iain Sproat)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:01:12 +0400
Subject: [Developers] Ask Freebase a question
In-Reply-To: <20091123065824.GL8793@spaceship.com>
References: <20091122124953.GO18508@sphinx.mythic-beasts.com>
	<db945ac40911222138n2b311a1al95611b892c6ae084@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091123065824.GL8793@spaceship.com>
Message-ID: <f70332fb0911222301qd503d32qb765690d1518a99d@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Kurt Bollacker <kurt at spaceship.com> wrote:
>
> I'm excited to see a long-ago-anticipated app like this finally
> appear. ?My pet feature would be to build a database of language
> syntactic patterns to be mapped to MQL queries. ?Examples include:
>
> Who are the cousins of Ben Stiller?
> Who are actors married to actors?
> Who are the republican presidents?
>
> These mappings would be topics (CVTs?) in themselves, and thus could
> be collaboratively collected.

Views in Freebase are just that.  Views are nodes typed with query,
and are used to relate a question to MQL
http://www.freebase.com/type/schema/freebase/query?domain=/freebase

e.g. the view http://www.freebase.com/tools/explore/user/sprocketonline/default_domain/views/cities_also_typed_as_business_locations
is saved as
http://www.freebase.com/api/trans/raw/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000abfd9cf

Linking together various ways of asking the same question needs a bit
more thought.

Iain

From kurt at spaceship.com  Mon Nov 23 07:22:43 2009
From: kurt at spaceship.com (Kurt Bollacker)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:22:43 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Ask Freebase a question
In-Reply-To: <f70332fb0911222301qd503d32qb765690d1518a99d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091122124953.GO18508@sphinx.mythic-beasts.com>
	<db945ac40911222138n2b311a1al95611b892c6ae084@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091123065824.GL8793@spaceship.com>
	<f70332fb0911222301qd503d32qb765690d1518a99d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091123072243.GM8793@spaceship.com>

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:01:12AM +0400, Iain Sproat wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Kurt Bollacker <kurt at spaceship.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm excited to see a long-ago-anticipated app like this finally
> > appear. ?My pet feature would be to build a database of language
> > syntactic patterns to be mapped to MQL queries. ?Examples include:
> >
> > Who are the cousins of Ben Stiller?
> > Who are actors married to actors?
> > Who are the republican presidents?
> >
> > These mappings would be topics (CVTs?) in themselves, and thus could
> > be collaboratively collected.
> 
> Views in Freebase are just that.  Views are nodes typed with query,
> and are used to relate a question to MQL
> http://www.freebase.com/type/schema/freebase/query?domain=/freebase
> 
> e.g. the view http://www.freebase.com/tools/explore/user/sprocketonline/default_domain/views/cities_also_typed_as_business_locations
> is saved as
> http://www.freebase.com/api/trans/raw/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000abfd9cf
> 
> Linking together various ways of asking the same question needs a bit
> more thought.

Cool. I didn't think of using views. Since a framework in which to
place the language templates exists, the language syntax mapping is
the interesting part.

							Kurt :-)

 
> Iain
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers

From steward5732 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 21:48:54 2009
From: steward5732 at gmail.com (Steward)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:48:54 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Freebase wex convert xml to html
Message-ID: <967233d20911231348l22e20791q76bea99ef535fa15@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Thanks for providing the excellent freebase wex. Did any one know how to
convert the articles "xml" back to "html"?

Thanks,
Steward
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From zenkat at metaweb.com  Mon Nov 23 21:57:54 2009
From: zenkat at metaweb.com (Brian Karlak)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:57:54 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Freebase wex convert xml to html
In-Reply-To: <967233d20911231348l22e20791q76bea99ef535fa15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <967233d20911231348l22e20791q76bea99ef535fa15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E0226F55-29DA-4391-A5C3-529F172FCE6A@metaweb.com>



On Nov 23, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Steward wrote:

> Thanks for providing the excellent freebase wex. Did any one know  
> how to convert the articles "xml" back to "html"?

Hi Steward --

The XML is not created from the HTML.  It is created directly from the  
raw MediaWiki source format.  There is no easy way to convert to HTML  
without the MediaWiki rendering engine.

Brian

From steward5732 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 22:06:22 2009
From: steward5732 at gmail.com (Steward)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:06:22 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Freebase wex convert xml to html
In-Reply-To: <E0226F55-29DA-4391-A5C3-529F172FCE6A@metaweb.com>
References: <967233d20911231348l22e20791q76bea99ef535fa15@mail.gmail.com>
	<E0226F55-29DA-4391-A5C3-529F172FCE6A@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <967233d20911231406k3b094125w99b8e01588d76d82@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brian,

Thanks for the reply. Is this the MediaWiki rendering engine that you refer
to?
http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/wiki2xml/php/xml2xhtml.php

or there are others that I am not aware of the MediaWiki rendering engine
that you specify.

Thanks,
Steward

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Brian Karlak <zenkat at metaweb.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Nov 23, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Steward wrote:
>
> > Thanks for providing the excellent freebase wex. Did any one know
> > how to convert the articles "xml" back to "html"?
>
> Hi Steward --
>
> The XML is not created from the HTML.  It is created directly from the
> raw MediaWiki source format.  There is no easy way to convert to HTML
> without the MediaWiki rendering engine.
>
> Brian
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
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From zenkat at metaweb.com  Tue Nov 24 17:32:18 2009
From: zenkat at metaweb.com (Brian Karlak)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:32:18 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Freebase wex convert xml to html
In-Reply-To: <967233d20911231406k3b094125w99b8e01588d76d82@mail.gmail.com>
References: <967233d20911231348l22e20791q76bea99ef535fa15@mail.gmail.com>
	<E0226F55-29DA-4391-A5C3-529F172FCE6A@metaweb.com>
	<967233d20911231406k3b094125w99b8e01588d76d82@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9123387B-C31D-4452-808E-7113BC199B10@metaweb.com>


On Nov 23, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Steward wrote:

> Thanks for the reply. Is this the MediaWiki rendering engine that  
> you refer to?
> http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/wiki2xml/php/xml2xhtml.php
>
> or there are others that I am not aware of the MediaWiki rendering  
> engine that you specify.

Hi Steward --

I believe that's the main version.  There may be others that I am not  
aware of.

Brian
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From tfmorris at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 18:12:05 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:12:05 -0500
Subject: [Developers] ETA on BFG return to service?
Message-ID: <c5f3f16f0911241012x5ef77f73ma285c05618b777e2@mail.gmail.com>

Any ETA on when BFG will be back?  It's been 503ing for a couple of
days now.  The MQL service was offline for a while too, so I just
chalked it up to a generalized disturbance in the force, but MQL has
been back for ~24 hrs.

Tom

From colin at metaweb.com  Tue Nov 24 19:11:07 2009
From: colin at metaweb.com (Colin Evans)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:11:07 -0800
Subject: [Developers] ETA on BFG return to service?
In-Reply-To: <c5f3f16f0911241012x5ef77f73ma285c05618b777e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c5f3f16f0911241012x5ef77f73ma285c05618b777e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E92B80F-E976-486C-B0EF-519045303918@metaweb.com>

Hi Tom,
I just reset it, it is back again.

-Colin


On Nov 24, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Tom Morris wrote:

> Any ETA on when BFG will be back?  It's been 503ing for a couple of
> days now.  The MQL service was offline for a while too, so I just
> chalked it up to a generalized disturbance in the force, but MQL has
> been back for ~24 hrs.
>
> Tom
> _______________________________________________
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From tfmorris at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 20:31:29 2009
From: tfmorris at gmail.com (Tom Morris)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:31:29 -0500
Subject: [Developers] ETA on BFG return to service?
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Thanks!  Next time I guess I should ask right away.

t.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Colin Evans <colin at metaweb.com> wrote:
> Hi Tom,
> I just reset it, it is back again.
>
> -Colin
>
>
> On Nov 24, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Tom Morris wrote:
>
>> Any ETA on when BFG will be back? ?It's been 503ing for a couple of
>> days now. ?The MQL service was offline for a while too, so I just
>> chalked it up to a generalized disturbance in the force, but MQL has
>> been back for ~24 hrs.
>>
>> Tom
>> _______________________________________________
>> Developers mailing list
>> Developers at freebase.com
>> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>
>
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>
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From steward5732 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 22:39:12 2009
From: steward5732 at gmail.com (Steward)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:39:12 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Freebase wex convert xml to html
In-Reply-To: <9123387B-C31D-4452-808E-7113BC199B10@metaweb.com>
References: <967233d20911231348l22e20791q76bea99ef535fa15@mail.gmail.com>
	<E0226F55-29DA-4391-A5C3-529F172FCE6A@metaweb.com>
	<967233d20911231406k3b094125w99b8e01588d76d82@mail.gmail.com>
	<9123387B-C31D-4452-808E-7113BC199B10@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <967233d20911241439m3c295c32o40b2fbfc8f2b0239@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brian,

Thanks. I did try that source code but it give me error
"Fatal error: Call to a member function get_namespace_id() on a non-object
in xml2xhtml.php on line 274"

I tested it out using only 3 lines of codes. Did you have the same problem
also when using this?

Thanks,
Steward

======================================================
<?php

include 'xml2xhtml.php';

$xmlstring =
'<articles><paragraph><link><target>Image:Youth-soccer-indiana.jpg</target><part>thumb</part><part>300px</part><part>right</part><part>Sport
in<space/><link><target>childhood</target></link>.<space/><link><target>Association
football</target></link>, shown above, is a<space/><link><target>team
sport</target></link><space/>which also provides<space/><link><target>social
interaction</target></link>.</part></link><link><target>Image:Showjumping
white
horse.jpg</target><part>thumb</part><part>200px</part><part>right</part><part><link><target>Show
Jumping</target></link>,
an<space/><link><target>Equestrianism</target><part>equestrian</part></link><space/>sport.</part></link><sentence><bold><link
synthetic="true"><target>Sport</target></link></bold><space/>is an activity
that is governed by a set of<space/><link><target>regulation of
sport</target><part>rules</part></link><space/>or<space/><link><target>tradition</target><part>custom</part><trail>s</trail></link><space/>and
often engaged
in<space/><link><target>competitively</target></link>.</sentence><space/><sentence><italics><link
synthetic="true"><target>Sport</target><part>Sports</part></link></italics><space/>commonly
refer to activities where the<space/><link><target>physical
capabilities</target></link><space/>of the competitor are the sole or
primary determinant of the outcome
(<link><target>victory</target><part>winning</part></link><space/>or
losing), but the term is also used to include activities such
as<space/><link><target>mind sports</target></link><space/>(a common name
for some<space/><link><target>card
game</target><trail>s</trail></link><space/>and<space/><link><target>board
game</target><trail>s</trail></link><space/>with little to
no<space/><link><target>luck</target><part>element of chance</part></link>)
and<space/><link><target>motor
sports</target></link><space/>where<space/><link><target>attention</target><part>mental
acuity</part></link><space/>or equipment quality are major
factors.</sentence> <sentence><link
synthetic="true"><target>Sport</target></link> is commonly defined as
an<space/><link><target>organized</target></link>, competitive and
skillful<space/><link><target>physical
activity</target></link><space/>requiring commitment
and<space/><link><target>sportsmanship</target><part>fair
play</part></link>.</sentence> <sentence>Some view sports as differing from
games based on the fact that there are usually higher levels of organization
and<space/><link><target>Profit
(economics)</target><part>profit</part></link><space/>(not
always<space/><link><target>money</target><part>monetary</part></link>)
involved in sports.</sentence> <sentence>Accurate records are kept and
updated for most sports at the highest levels, while failures and
accomplishments are widely announced in<space/><link><target>sport
news</target></link>.</sentence></paragraph></articles>';

$temp = convert_xml_xhtml($xmlstring);

print $xmlstring;
==============================================


On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Brian Karlak <zenkat at metaweb.com> wrote:

>
> On Nov 23, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Steward wrote:
>
> Thanks for the reply. Is this the MediaWiki rendering engine that you refer
> to?
> http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/wiki2xml/php/xml2xhtml.php
>
> or there are others that I am not aware of the MediaWiki rendering engine
> that you specify.
>
>
> Hi Steward --
>
> I believe that's the main version.  There may be others that I am not aware
> of.
>
> Brian
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
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From zenkat at metaweb.com  Tue Nov 24 23:16:34 2009
From: zenkat at metaweb.com (Brian Karlak)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:16:34 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Freebase wex convert xml to html
In-Reply-To: <967233d20911241439m3c295c32o40b2fbfc8f2b0239@mail.gmail.com>
References: <967233d20911231348l22e20791q76bea99ef535fa15@mail.gmail.com>
	<E0226F55-29DA-4391-A5C3-529F172FCE6A@metaweb.com>
	<967233d20911231406k3b094125w99b8e01588d76d82@mail.gmail.com>
	<9123387B-C31D-4452-808E-7113BC199B10@metaweb.com>
	<967233d20911241439m3c295c32o40b2fbfc8f2b0239@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A7EFA332-4586-4D9A-935B-6B24012F2236@metaweb.com>


Hi Steward --

Unfortunately, the code you are using isn't from Freebase, so I can't  
help you out.  We don't have a need internally to translate the  
Wikipedia XML to HTML, so we don't have any experience with this code.

What exactly are you trying to do?  Perhaps there is a simpler way to  
reach your goal.

Brian

On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:39 PM, Steward wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> Thanks. I did try that source code but it give me error
> "Fatal error: Call to a member function get_namespace_id() on a non- 
> object in xml2xhtml.php on line 274"
>
> I tested it out using only 3 lines of codes. Did you have the same  
> problem also when using this?
>
> Thanks,
> Steward
>
> ======================================================
> <?php
>
> include 'xml2xhtml.php';
>
> $xmlstring = '<articles><paragraph><link><target>Image:Youth-soccer- 
> indiana.jpg</target><part>thumb</part><part>300px</part><part>right</ 
> part><part>Sport in<space/><link><target>childhood</target></ 
> link>.<space/><link><target>Association football</target></link>,  
> shown above, is a<space/><link><target>team sport</target></ 
> link><space/>which also provides<space/><link><target>social  
> interaction</target></link>.</part></ 
> link><link><target>Image:Showjumping white horse.jpg</ 
> target><part>thumb</part><part>200px</part><part>right</ 
> part><part><link><target>Show Jumping</target></link>, an<space/ 
> ><link><target>Equestrianism</target><part>equestrian</part></ 
> link><space/>sport.</part></link><sentence><bold><link  
> synthetic="true"><target>Sport</target></link></bold><space/>is an  
> activity that is governed by a set of<space/ 
> ><link><target>regulation of sport</target><part>rules</part></ 
> link><space/>or<space/><link><target>tradition</target><part>custom</ 
> part><trail>s</trail></link><space/>and often engaged in<space/ 
> ><link><target>competitively</target></link>.</sentence><space/ 
> ><sentence><italics><link synthetic="true"><target>Sport</ 
> target><part>Sports</part></link></italics><space/>commonly refer to  
> activities where the<space/><link><target>physical capabilities</ 
> target></link><space/>of the competitor are the sole or primary  
> determinant of the outcome (<link><target>victory</ 
> target><part>winning</part></link><space/>or losing), but the term  
> is also used to include activities such as<space/><link><target>mind  
> sports</target></link><space/>(a common name for some<space/ 
> ><link><target>card game</target><trail>s</trail></link><space/ 
> >and<space/><link><target>board game</target><trail>s</trail></ 
> link><space/>with little to no<space/><link><target>luck</ 
> target><part>element of chance</part></link>) and<space/ 
> ><link><target>motor sports</target></link><space/>where<space/ 
> ><link><target>attention</target><part>mental acuity</part></ 
> link><space/>or equipment quality are major factors.</sentence>  
> <sentence><link synthetic="true"><target>Sport</target></link> is  
> commonly defined as an<space/><link><target>organized</target></ 
> link>, competitive and skillful<space/><link><target>physical  
> activity</target></link><space/>requiring commitment and<space/ 
> ><link><target>sportsmanship</target><part>fair play</part></link>.</ 
> sentence> <sentence>Some view sports as differing from games based  
> on the fact that there are usually higher levels of organization  
> and<space/><link><target>Profit (economics)</target><part>profit</ 
> part></link><space/>(not always<space/><link><target>money</ 
> target><part>monetary</part></link>) involved in sports.</sentence>  
> <sentence>Accurate records are kept and updated for most sports at  
> the highest levels, while failures and accomplishments are widely  
> announced in<space/><link><target>sport news</target></link>.</ 
> sentence></paragraph></articles>';
>
> $temp = convert_xml_xhtml($xmlstring);
>
> print $xmlstring;
> ==============================================
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Brian Karlak <zenkat at metaweb.com>  
> wrote:
>
> On Nov 23, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Steward wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the reply. Is this the MediaWiki rendering engine that  
>> you refer to?
>> http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/wiki2xml/php/xml2xhtml.php
>>
>> or there are others that I am not aware of the MediaWiki rendering  
>> engine that you specify.
>
> Hi Steward --
>
> I believe that's the main version.  There may be others that I am  
> not aware of.
>
> Brian
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>
>
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From steward5732 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 23:30:06 2009
From: steward5732 at gmail.com (Steward)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:30:06 -0800
Subject: [Developers] Freebase wex convert xml to html
In-Reply-To: <A7EFA332-4586-4D9A-935B-6B24012F2236@metaweb.com>
References: <967233d20911231348l22e20791q76bea99ef535fa15@mail.gmail.com>
	<E0226F55-29DA-4391-A5C3-529F172FCE6A@metaweb.com>
	<967233d20911231406k3b094125w99b8e01588d76d82@mail.gmail.com>
	<9123387B-C31D-4452-808E-7113BC199B10@metaweb.com>
	<967233d20911241439m3c295c32o40b2fbfc8f2b0239@mail.gmail.com>
	<A7EFA332-4586-4D9A-935B-6B24012F2236@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <967233d20911241530q4c81accah58085430ec7e968a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brian,

Thanks for the response. What I need is to extract Wikipedia HTML into its
"sections".
For example, a wikipedia topic call "Snake", it has several sections
(Etymology, Evolution, Biology, Behaviour, etc).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake
What I try to do is to extract Wikipedia HTML so in my tables I have rows of
data
Etymology  --> section html contents
Biology  --> section html contents
Behaviour  -> section html contents

Since freebase already have wex, I thought I only need the last step where
it will convert "xml" back to "html" just like wikipedia html page.

Thanks again Brian,
Steward



On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Brian Karlak <zenkat at metaweb.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Steward --
>
> Unfortunately, the code you are using isn't from Freebase, so I can't help
> you out.  We don't have a need internally to translate the Wikipedia XML to
> HTML, so we don't have any experience with this code.
>
> What exactly are you trying to do?  Perhaps there is a simpler way to reach
> your goal.
>
> Brian
>
> On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:39 PM, Steward wrote:
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Thanks. I did try that source code but it give me error
> "Fatal error: Call to a member function get_namespace_id() on a non-object
> in xml2xhtml.php on line 274"
>
> I tested it out using only 3 lines of codes. Did you have the same problem
> also when using this?
>
> Thanks,
> Steward
>
> ======================================================
> <?php
>
> include 'xml2xhtml.php';
>
> $xmlstring =
> '<articles><paragraph><link><target>Image:Youth-soccer-indiana.jpg</target><part>thumb</part><part>300px</part><part>right</part><part>Sport
> in<space/><link><target>childhood</target></link>.<space/><link><target>Association
> football</target></link>, shown above, is a<space/><link><target>team
> sport</target></link><space/>which also provides<space/><link><target>social
> interaction</target></link>.</part></link><link><target>Image:Showjumping
> white
> horse.jpg</target><part>thumb</part><part>200px</part><part>right</part><part><link><target>Show
> Jumping</target></link>,
> an<space/><link><target>Equestrianism</target><part>equestrian</part></link><space/>sport.</part></link><sentence><bold><link
> synthetic="true"><target>Sport</target></link></bold><space/>is an activity
> that is governed by a set of<space/><link><target>regulation of
> sport</target><part>rules</part></link><space/>or<space/><link><target>tradition</target><part>custom</part><trail>s</trail></link><space/>and
> often engaged
> in<space/><link><target>competitively</target></link>.</sentence><space/><sentence><italics><link
> synthetic="true"><target>Sport</target><part>Sports</part></link></italics><space/>commonly
> refer to activities where the<space/><link><target>physical
> capabilities</target></link><space/>of the competitor are the sole or
> primary determinant of the outcome
> (<link><target>victory</target><part>winning</part></link><space/>or
> losing), but the term is also used to include activities such
> as<space/><link><target>mind sports</target></link><space/>(a common name
> for some<space/><link><target>card
> game</target><trail>s</trail></link><space/>and<space/><link><target>board
> game</target><trail>s</trail></link><space/>with little to
> no<space/><link><target>luck</target><part>element of chance</part></link>)
> and<space/><link><target>motor
> sports</target></link><space/>where<space/><link><target>attention</target><part>mental
> acuity</part></link><space/>or equipment quality are major
> factors.</sentence> <sentence><link
> synthetic="true"><target>Sport</target></link> is commonly defined as
> an<space/><link><target>organized</target></link>, competitive and
> skillful<space/><link><target>physical
> activity</target></link><space/>requiring commitment
> and<space/><link><target>sportsmanship</target><part>fair
> play</part></link>.</sentence> <sentence>Some view sports as differing from
> games based on the fact that there are usually higher levels of organization
> and<space/><link><target>Profit
> (economics)</target><part>profit</part></link><space/>(not
> always<space/><link><target>money</target><part>monetary</part></link>)
> involved in sports.</sentence> <sentence>Accurate records are kept and
> updated for most sports at the highest levels, while failures and
> accomplishments are widely announced in<space/><link><target>sport
> news</target></link>.</sentence></paragraph></articles>';
>
> $temp = convert_xml_xhtml($xmlstring);
>
> print $xmlstring;
> ==============================================
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Brian Karlak <zenkat at metaweb.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Steward wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the reply. Is this the MediaWiki rendering engine that you
>> refer to?
>>
>> http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/wiki2xml/php/xml2xhtml.php
>>
>> or there are others that I am not aware of the MediaWiki rendering engine
>> that you specify.
>>
>>
>> Hi Steward --
>>
>> I believe that's the main version.  There may be others that I am not
>> aware of.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Developers mailing list
>> Developers at freebase.com
>> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>>
>>
> <ConvertXML.zip>_______________________________________________
>
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>
>
>
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From chris at liftux.com  Wed Nov 25 02:18:56 2009
From: chris at liftux.com (Chris Wallace)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:18:56 -0600
Subject: [Developers] looking for quote on development work
Message-ID: <6E89F7B4-2431-4808-8373-756E4F1E0884@liftux.com>

Hi everyone, I am a designer looking for a quote on some freebase  
development work. We have a client looking for a ballpark estimate on  
a project we have coming up. The requirements haven't been fully  
defined but I do have some basic requirements. The client is looking  
for a WordPress plugin that will allow them to find content on  
Freebase based upon search terms they provide OR content from their  
blog articles. They want to be able to pull in and post content to  
their WordPress website as supplemental content.

Here are the pages and modules that may be needed:

Admin - Plugin Main Page - Allow admin user to search for content on  
freebase and then quickly select a piece of content, categorize it,  
and post it to the site.
Admin - Post Edit Page Module - Allow admin user to view related  
content by company name or keywords from current post being edited,  
with the ability to post that content to a specific category and make  
it a related post.

Consumer-Facing - Widget - Related content widget that shows the  
related content determined by the tools on the backend (defined by  
admin user).

Please let me know if you have any questions! Thanks!

From philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk  Wed Nov 25 08:29:12 2009
From: philip-freebase at shadowmagic.org.uk (Philip Kendall)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:29:12 +0000
Subject: [Developers] /en namespace
Message-ID: <20091125082912.GB18508@sphinx.mythic-beasts.com>

As far as I can tell, no new keys have been added to the /en namespace
since March. Assuming I'm correct :-) is there any plan for any to be
added in the future?

Cheers,

Phil

-- 
  Philip Kendall <philip at shadowmagic.org.uk>
  http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/