From hotfigs at gmail.com  Wed Aug  1 16:55:59 2007
From: hotfigs at gmail.com (Geoff Smith)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:55:59 +0100
Subject: [Developers] Safari crash
Message-ID: <d1360dad0708010955t4070f08bn15f629b8e0e3cabf@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

Has anyone got mjt working with safari? It is crashing when i call mjt.run,
even for the "running mjt version..." example. Freebase seems to work fine,
although there is a warning saying that safari is not fully supported.

Any suggestions?

Cheers,

Geoff
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From nix at metaweb.com  Wed Aug  1 17:51:10 2007
From: nix at metaweb.com (Nick Thompson)
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:51:10 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Safari crash
In-Reply-To: <d1360dad0708010955t4070f08bn15f629b8e0e3cabf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d1360dad0708010955t4070f08bn15f629b8e0e3cabf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46B0C80E.2040805@metaweb.com>

i believe that 0.4 ran on safari, i thought i had done a quick
test of 0.5 but apparently not - thanks for the report!

zak stein has found that the most recent beta of safari 3
works with mjt, but i hope to get safari 2 working as well.
i don't have access to a mac today but i'll do ye olde
binary search for the crash point tomorrow.

     nick

Geoff Smith wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Has anyone got mjt working with safari? It is crashing when i call 
> mjt.run, even for the "running mjt version..." example. Freebase seems 
> to work fine, although there is a warning saying that safari is not 
> fully supported.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Geoff
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers

From al at metaweb.com  Fri Aug  3 00:55:49 2007
From: al at metaweb.com (Alexander Marks)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:55:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Developers] Fictional Character Race vs Species
Message-ID: <682673.15951186102549670.JavaMail.root@h00215>

Dear fictional people:

Since the distinction between Character Race and Character Species is pretty unclear, tends to vary by Fictional Universe, and was resulting in some strange data patterns, we have decided to eliminate Character Race entirely. We are considering renaming Character Species to something like "Character Race or Species". If you care about this, please post your thoughts on the Fictional Universe domain discussion page.

Al


From will at hamstersoup.com  Sat Aug  4 16:06:58 2007
From: will at hamstersoup.com (Will Moffat)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 18:06:58 +0200
Subject: [Developers] cursors, limits, MJT and chocolates
In-Reply-To: <444718DB-70B7-47D2-BA74-7A4BC1D1FB22@metaweb.com>
References: <2f665fe20707090656k53583244y47e6ecb94c7b5bfd@mail.gmail.com>
	<444718DB-70B7-47D2-BA74-7A4BC1D1FB22@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <2f665fe20708040906x1bb6f7e6h5a085a8252deb2ed@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've updated Darin's great example of MQL cursors in MJT to use
incremental queries rather than requiring page reloads.

It's on my blog: http://hamstersoup.wordpress.com/

regards,
--Will

On 7/9/07, Darin Wilson <darin at metaweb.com> wrote:
> > Extra Belgian chocolates if somebody has an example of using the
> > cursor feature with MJT.
>
> That's some good incentive. ;-)
>
> Below is a crude example. Cursors aren't in the official MJT docs, so
> I discovered this method by looking at the mjt source. Some of the
> implementation details could change (and Nix please correct me if
> this is not the right way to do this).

From fabricio at gmail.com  Sun Aug  5 22:09:44 2007
From: fabricio at gmail.com (Fabricio Zuardi)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:09:44 -0700
Subject: [Developers] reordering history
Message-ID: <90e9b0bc0708051509k6fd590cfu589fc0d87c613296@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am new to freebase, and this is probably a stupid question, but
since on the page history there is no log of reordering of values, my
question is:

- do freebase keeps track of all reordering changes?
- if so, how can I retrieve it using MQL?

thanks!

-- 
Fabricio

From kurt at metaweb.com  Sun Aug  5 22:45:06 2007
From: kurt at metaweb.com (Kurt Bollacker)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 15:45:06 -0700
Subject: [Developers] reordering history
In-Reply-To: <90e9b0bc0708051509k6fd590cfu589fc0d87c613296@mail.gmail.com>
References: <90e9b0bc0708051509k6fd590cfu589fc0d87c613296@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070805224506.GB22305@metaweb.com>

On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 03:09:44PM -0700, Fabricio Zuardi wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am new to freebase, and this is probably a stupid question, but
> since on the page history there is no log of reordering of values, my
> question is:

You questions are not stupid at all.  In fact, they are very relevant
to MQL, and you have not missed something obvious.
 
> - do freebase keeps track of all reordering changes?

Deep in the bowels of the database, yes.  All changes are tracked.

> - if so, how can I retrieve it using MQL?

In most normal cases this is not currently supported by MQL.  This is
why the history page can't show it, as it uses MQL like every other
app in Freebase.  It is possible to get some of the history through
clever examination of the timestamps and history for a set of
properties but this is probably too painful for most purposes.

We are aware of this as a missing feature, but since the ordering
history information is in the database, when/if support is added to
MQL, the history should be viewable retroactive to the beginning.
Someone else may be able to give you more details.

Hope that helps...						Kurt :-)

From markce at btclick.com  Mon Aug  6 09:25:14 2007
From: markce at btclick.com (Mark CE)
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:25:14 +0100
Subject: [Developers] coldfusion
Message-ID: <200708060934.HMR90732@c2bthomr03.btconnect.com>


Hello there,
Has anyone successfully retrieved a query result from Freebase using 
Coldfusion CFHTTP?
Or know of a reason why mine would return a 400 error?

HTTP/1.0 400 Bad Request X-Metaweb-Cost: dt=0.001, nreqs=0 Date: Fri, 
03 Aug 2007 16:10:49 GMT X-Metaweb-TID: 
cache;cache01.p01.sfo1:8101;2007-08-03T16:10:49Z;0002 Server: 
Apache/2.0.58 Vary: Accept-Encoding Cache-Control: no-cache 
Content-Type: applic

If instead of CFHTTP I get my coldfusion code to output the URL to 
the page; I copy and paste into the address bar, I get a 200 
response... and the query results I would expect.

Working code samples gratefully received!!!
Thanks
Mark CE



----------
Mark Christian-Edwards
markce at btclick.com

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From will at hamstersoup.com  Mon Aug  6 09:54:08 2007
From: will at hamstersoup.com (Will Moffat)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:54:08 +0200
Subject: [Developers] coldfusion
In-Reply-To: <200708060934.HMR90732@c2bthomr03.btconnect.com>
References: <200708060934.HMR90732@c2bthomr03.btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <2f665fe20708060254l3b33e573wd99890050c8d7b71@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark,

>  Or know of a reason why mine would return a 400 error?

Maybe you haven't sent your 'metaweb-user' cookie?

See
http://hamstersoup.wordpress.com/2007/07/05/freebase-api-cookie-test/
for tips on how to find your cookie and test it

regards,
--Will

From will at hamstersoup.com  Mon Aug  6 12:03:50 2007
From: will at hamstersoup.com (Will Moffat)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:03:50 +0200
Subject: [Developers] coldfusion
In-Reply-To: <200708061120.HJJ78891@c2bthomr04.btconnect.com>
References: <200708060934.HMR90732@c2bthomr03.btconnect.com>
	<2f665fe20708060254l3b33e573wd99890050c8d7b71@mail.gmail.com>
	<200708061120.HJJ78891@c2bthomr04.btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <2f665fe20708060503i45b750b2w8066ba84c1b2ff13@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark

(with developers back in CC because I'm not a Cold Fusion guru)

Can you compare the actual HTTP requests and responses?
Using Firebug you can see what a successful query looks like in Firefox.
CF Server Monitor or Ethereal will let you see your unsuccessful CF query.

> This is really frustrating because until I can get a response using CFHTTP,
> I can't try developing anything.

I feel your pain. Cookie authentication takes the fun out of programming :-(
They should be going away sometime :-)

Good luck,
--Wil

On 8/6/07, Mark CE <markce at btclick.com> wrote:
>
>
>  Thanks Will,
>
>  I am trying to pass the cookie, maybe I'm not encoding it right.
>  Here's my CF code:
>
>  <cfhttp url=" http://www.freebase.com/api/service/mqlread"
> method="POST" result="objGet">
>       <cfhttpparam  name="q" value="#form.Query#" type="FORMFIELD">
>       <cfhttpparam name="metaweb-user"    value="A|u_... my cookie ...ug"
> type="COOKIE">
>  </cfhttp>
>
>  Response is: "authentication required"
>
>
> This is really frustrating because until I can get a response using CFHTTP,
> I can't try developing anything.
>
>  Mark
>
>

From markce at btclick.com  Mon Aug  6 17:46:00 2007
From: markce at btclick.com (Mark CE)
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:46:00 +0100
Subject: [Developers] coldfusion
In-Reply-To: <8037c20b0708060834l5b1e5b6bia782c1ebb56db559@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <200708060934.HMR90732@c2bthomr03.btconnect.com>
	<8037c20b0708060834l5b1e5b6bia782c1ebb56db559@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200708061747.DCZ07065@c2bthomr14.btconnect.com>


Don't worry I have tried both POST and GET, many times now!

Two crappy CF templates attached (testme.cfm which calls 
testme2.cfm).  I am not familiar with this list; if it doesn't accept 
attachments and I should be including the code in the body of this 
email, I guess I'll find out when my message comes back.

Needless to say, the cookie-getting function does work and 
successfully returns the two cookies:
metaweb-user and metaweb-user-info.

-----------------------
Originally I wasn't deserialising the JSON response so hence the 
unhelpful error message.
Now the response is:

code: /api/status/error/input/invalid
message: authentication required
----------------------

Thanks again
Mark


At 16:34 06/08/2007, you wrote:

>In addition to the cookie requirement, you probably need to do your
>cfhttp call as a POST, cfhttp is a GET by default.  If that doesn't
>work post your cfhttp code here to the list.
>
>On 8/6/07, Mark CE <markce at btclick.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Hello there,
> >  Has anyone successfully retrieved a query result from Freebase using
> > Coldfusion CFHTTP?
> >  Or know of a reason why mine would return a 400 error?
> >
> >  HTTP/1.0 400 Bad Request X-Metaweb-Cost: dt=0.001, nreqs=0 Date: Fri, 03
> > Aug 2007 16:10:49 GMT X-Metaweb-TID:
> > cache;cache01.p01.sfo1:8101;2007-08-03T16:10:49Z;0002
> > Server: Apache/2.0.58 Vary: Accept-Encoding Cache-Control: no-cache
> > Content-Type: applic
> >
> >  If instead of CFHTTP I get my coldfusion code to output the URL to the
> > page; I copy and paste into the address bar, I get a 200 
> response... and the
> > query results I would expect.
> >
> >  Working code samples gratefully received!!!
> >  Thanks
> >  Mark CE
> >
> >
> >
> >  ________________________________
> >  Mark Christian-Edwards
> >  markce at btclick.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Developers mailing list
> > Developers at freebase.com
> > http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
> >
> >
>
>
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 <html>
<head><title>Metaweb Query Editor</title>
<style> /* CSS styles for nice output */
#q, #r { width: 400px; height: 300px; border-width:0px;padding:5px;}
th {background-color:black; color:white; font:bold 12pt sans-serif;}
td.border,th {border:solid black 3px;}
input { margin: 5px; font-weight: bold; }
table { border-collapse: collapse;}
</style>
</head>
<body>

 <!-- Form makes an HTTP GET request to mqlread, results go in iframe r -->
  <form action="testme.cfm"
        method="post">
  <!-- Force mqlread to return text/javascript instead of application/json -->
  <input type="hidden" name="callback" value=" ">
  <!-- An HTML table to display the query, buttons, and result -->

  <table> 
    <tr><th>Query</th><td></td><th>Result</th></tr>    <!-- table header -->
    <tr>

      <td class="border">
        <!-- enter query -->
        <textarea name="queries" id="q">
{
  "qname": {
    "query": [{
      
  "type" : "/music/artist",
  "name" : "The Police",
  "album" : []

    }]
  }
}
 
        </textarea></td> 
      <td valign="top"> 
        <input type="submit" value="Send"><br>         <!-- send query -->

        <input type="reset" value="Erase"></td>        <!-- erase query  -->
      <td class="border">
        <iframe name="r" id="r"></iframe></td>         <!-- results go here -->
    </tr>

  </table>
  </form>
  
 <cfif isdefined("form.queries")>
	 <cfinclude template="testme2.cfm">
</cfif>     





 <!--- 
 
 THIS IS THE ORIGINAL CODE
 
 <!-- Form makes an HTTP GET request to mqlread, results go in iframe r -->
<!---   <form action="http://www.freebase.com/api/service/mqlread"
        method="get"
        target="r"> --->
		
		  <form action="http://www.cf8ourexplorer.com:8500/oe/testme_results.cfm"
        method="get"
        target="r">
  <!-- Force mqlread to return text/javascript instead of application/json -->
  <input type="hidden" name="callback" value=" ">
  <!-- An HTML table to display the query, buttons, and result -->

  <table> 
    <tr><th>Query</th><td></td><th>Result</th></tr>    <!-- table header -->
    <tr>

      <td class="border">
        <!-- enter query -->
        <textarea name="queries" id="q">
{
  "qname": {
    "query": [{
      
  "type" : "/music/artist",
  "name" : "The Police",
  "album" : []

    }]
  }
}
        </textarea></td> 
      <td valign="top"> 
        <input type="submit" value="Send"><br>         <!-- send query -->

        <input type="reset" value="Erase"></td>        <!-- erase query  -->
      <td class="border">
        <iframe name="r" id="r"></iframe></td>         <!-- results go here -->
    </tr>

  </table>   ---> 


</body>
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<cffunction
	name="GetResponseCookies"
	access="public"
	returntype="struct"
	output="false"
	hint="This parses the response of a CFHttp call and puts the cookies into a struct.">
 
	<!--- Define arguments. --->
	<cfargument
		name="Response"
		type="struct"
		required="true"
		hint="The response of a CFHttp call."
		/>
 
 
	<!--- Define the local scope. --->
	<cfset var LOCAL = StructNew() />
 
	<!---
		Create the default struct in which we will hold
		the response cookies. This struct will contain structs
		and will be keyed on the name of the cookie to be set.
	--->
	<cfset LOCAL.Cookies = StructNew() />
 
	<!---
		Get a reference to the cookies that werew returned
		from the page request. This will give us an numericly
		indexed struct of cookie strings (which we will have
		to parse out for values). BUT, check to make sure
		that cookies were even sent in the response. If they
		were not, then there is not work to be done.
	--->
	<cfif NOT StructKeyExists(
		ARGUMENTS.Response.ResponseHeader,
		"Set-Cookie"
		)>
 
		<!---
			No cookies were send back in the response. Just
			return the empty cookies structure.
		--->
		<cfreturn LOCAL.Cookies />
 
	</cfif>
 
 
	<!---
		ASSERT: We know that cookie were returned in the page
		response and that they are available at the key,
		"Set-Cookie" of the reponse header.
	--->
 
 
	<!---
		Now that we know that the cookies were returned, get
		a reference to the struct as described above.
	--->
	<cfset LOCAL.ReturnedCookies = ARGUMENTS.Response.ResponseHeader[ "Set-Cookie" ] />
 
 
	<!--- Loop over the returned cookies struct. --->
	<cfloop
		item="LOCAL.CookieIndex"
		collection="#LOCAL.ReturnedCookies#">
 
 
		<!---
			As we loop through the cookie struct, get
			the cookie string we want to parse.
		--->
		<cfset LOCAL.CookieString = LOCAL.ReturnedCookies[ LOCAL.CookieIndex ] />
 
 
		<!---
			For each of these cookie strings, we are going to
			need to parse out the values. We can treate the
			cookie string as a semi-colon delimited list.
		--->
		<cfloop
			index="LOCAL.Index"
			from="1"
			to="#ListLen( LOCAL.CookieString, ';' )#"
			step="1">
 
			<!--- Get the name-value pair. --->
			<cfset LOCAL.Pair = ListGetAt(
				LOCAL.CookieString,
				LOCAL.Index,
				";"
				) />
 
 
			<!---
				Get the name as the first part of the pair
				sepparated by the equals sign.
			--->
			<cfset LOCAL.Name = ListFirst( LOCAL.Pair, "=" ) />
 
			<!---
				Check to see if we have a value part. Not all
				cookies are going to send values of length,
				which can throw off ColdFusion.
			--->
			<cfif (ListLen( LOCAL.Pair, "=" ) GT 1)>
 
				<!--- Grab the rest of the list. --->
				<cfset LOCAL.Value = ListRest( LOCAL.Pair, "=" ) />
 
			<cfelse>
 
				<!---
					Since ColdFusion did not find more than one
					value in the list, just get the empty string
					as the value.
				--->
				<cfset LOCAL.Value = "" />
 
			</cfif>
 
 
			<!---
				Now that we have the name-value data values,
				we have to store them in the struct. If we are
				looking at the first part of the cookie string,
				this is going to be the name of the cookie and
				it's struct index.
			--->
			<cfif (LOCAL.Index EQ 1)>
 
				<!---
					Create a new struct with this cookie's name
					as the key in the return cookie struct.
				--->
				<cfset LOCAL.Cookies[ LOCAL.Name ] = StructNew() />
 
				<!---
					Now that we have the struct in place, lets
					get a reference to it so that we can refer
					to it in subseqent loops.
				--->
				<cfset LOCAL.Cookie = LOCAL.Cookies[ LOCAL.Name ] />
 
 
				<!--- Store the value of this cookie. --->
				<cfset LOCAL.Cookie.Value = LOCAL.Value />
 
 
				<!---
					Now, this cookie might have more than just
					the first name-value pair. Let's create an
					additional attributes struct to hold those
					values.
				--->
				<cfset LOCAL.Cookie.Attributes = StructNew() />
 
			<cfelse>
 
				<!---
					For all subseqent calls, just store the
					name-value pair into the established
					cookie's attributes strcut.
				--->
				<cfset LOCAL.Cookie.Attributes[ LOCAL.Name ] = LOCAL.Value />
 
			</cfif>
 
		</cfloop>
 
 
	</cfloop>
 
 
	<!--- Return the cookies. --->
	<cfreturn LOCAL.Cookies />
</cffunction>

<!---
	Get the URL of the application page that we want to
	grab. This page lives under a different application
	and will have different session management (that we
	must account for in subsequent requests).
--->
<cfset strURL = ("http://www.freebase.com/api/account/login") />
 
<!---
	Store the user agent that we want to send (so CFHttp
	doesn't send "ColdFusion" as the user agent). Since I
	am testing this in a browser, I am just going to grab
	the current user agent.
--->
<cfset strUserAgent = CGI.http_user_agent />
 
 
<!---
	Grab the first page request. In this one, we are not
	going to sent any CFHttpParams since we don't know
	anything about the target application environment.
--->
<cfhttp
	method="POST"
	url="#strURL#"
	result="objGet" 
	>
	<cfhttpparam name="username" type="FORMFIELD" value="markce">
	<cfhttpparam name="password" type="FORMFIELD" value="MYPASSWORD">
	</cfhttp>
 
<!--- Dump out the CFHttp response. --->
<!--- <cfdump
	var="#objGet#"
	label="First CFHttp Request"
	/>  --->
 
 
<!---
	Get the cookies from the last response object. These are
	the cookies that we are going to echo back in subsequent
	CFHttp requests.
--->
<cfset objCookies = GetResponseCookies( objGet ) />

<cfdump var="#objcookies#" label="Cookies">
<cfdump var="#form#" label="Form">

<!---
	Now, let's make a subsequent CFHttp call, but this
	time, we are going to pass in the cookies that were
	returned in the last call to see if we can maintain
	the same session.
--->
<cfset strURL = ("http://www.freebase.com/api/service/mqlread") />
<cfhttp url="#strURL#" method="POST" result="objGet">
	<cfhttpparam name="q" value="#form.queries#" type="FORMFIELD">
	<cfhttpparam name="metaweb-user"	 value="#objcookies["metaweb-user"].value#" type="cookie">
</cfhttp>
	
	
 
 
<!--- Dump out the CFHttp response. --->
<cfdump
	var="#(objGet.responseheader)#"
	label="mqlread response Header"
	/>	
<cfdump
	var="#deSerializeJSON(objGet.filecontent)#"
	label="mqlread response Detail"
	/>		
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From ninjascience at gmail.com  Mon Aug  6 20:53:46 2007
From: ninjascience at gmail.com (Ryan Miller)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:53:46 -0700
Subject: [Developers] coldfusion
In-Reply-To: <200708061747.DCZ07065@c2bthomr14.btconnect.com>
References: <200708060934.HMR90732@c2bthomr03.btconnect.com>
	<8037c20b0708060834l5b1e5b6bia782c1ebb56db559@mail.gmail.com>
	<200708061747.DCZ07065@c2bthomr14.btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <8037c20b0708061353s3479ed25sc18c25e9ceb99b8b@mail.gmail.com>

from what I can tell you're trying to do an HTTP POST to the freebase
site with your username and password sent as POST variables, getting
the metaweb-user cookie out of that response, than using that to do
your mql POST.  Why not just lookup your metaweb-user cookie value out
of your browser and hard-code into your app?  When I tried your code
the first POST that should return the cookie doesn't, so if you want
to keep going this route, concentrate there.  Make sure your sending
the vars under the right names (including case), and fake the
user-agent string to a common browser.

On 8/6/07, Mark CE <markce at btclick.com> wrote:
>
>
>  Don't worry I have tried both POST and GET, many times now!
>
>  Two crappy CF templates attached (testme.cfm which calls testme2.cfm).  I
> am not familiar with this list; if it doesn't accept attachments and I
> should be including the code in the body of this email, I guess I'll find
> out when my message comes back.
>
>  Needless to say, the cookie-getting function does work and successfully
> returns the two cookies:
>  metaweb-user and metaweb-user-info.
>
>  -----------------------
>  Originally I wasn't deserialising the JSON response so hence the unhelpful
> error message.
>  Now the response is:
>
>  code: /api/status/error/input/invalid
>  message: authentication required
>  ----------------------
>
>  Thanks again
>  Mark
>
>
>
>  At 16:34 06/08/2007, you wrote:
>
>
> In addition to the cookie requirement, you probably need to do your
>  cfhttp call as a POST, cfhttp is a GET by default.  If that doesn't
>  work post your cfhttp code here to the list.
>
>  On 8/6/07, Mark CE <markce at btclick.com> wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  >  Hello there,
>  >  Has anyone successfully retrieved a query result from Freebase using
>  > Coldfusion CFHTTP?
>  >  Or know of a reason why mine would return a 400 error?
>  >
>  >  HTTP/1.0 400 Bad Request X-Metaweb-Cost: dt=0.001, nreqs=0 Date: Fri, 03
>  > Aug 2007 16:10:49 GMT X-Metaweb-TID:
>  > cache;cache01.p01.sfo1:8101;2007-08-03T16:10:49Z;0002
>  > Server: Apache/2.0.58 Vary: Accept-Encoding Cache-Control: no-cache
>  > Content-Type: applic
>  >
>  >  If instead of CFHTTP I get my coldfusion code to output the URL to the
>  > page; I copy and paste into the address bar, I get a 200 response... and
> the
>  > query results I would expect.
>  >
>  >  Working code samples gratefully received!!!
>  >  Thanks
>  >  Mark CE
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  ________________________________
>  >  Mark Christian-Edwards
>  >  markce at btclick.com
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > Developers mailing list
>  > Developers at freebase.com
>  > http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>  >
>  >
>
>
>
>  --
>  No virus found in this incoming message.
>  Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>  Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.6/938 - Release Date: 05/08/2007
> 16:16
>
>
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
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> 16:16
>
>
>

From niallo at metaweb.com  Tue Aug  7 00:07:53 2007
From: niallo at metaweb.com (Niall O'Higgins)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:07:53 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Weekly sandbox data refresh
Message-ID: <20070807000753.GB27446@digdug.inet>

Hi,

Weekly refresh of data on http://sandbox.freebase.com happening over the next
few minutes.

-- 
Niall O'Higgins
Software Engineer
Metaweb Technologies, Inc.

From niallo at metaweb.com  Tue Aug  7 00:37:50 2007
From: niallo at metaweb.com (Niall O'Higgins)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:37:50 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Weekly sandbox data refresh
In-Reply-To: <20070807000753.GB27446@digdug.inet>
References: <20070807000753.GB27446@digdug.inet>
Message-ID: <20070807003750.GD27446@digdug.inet>

Done.

On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 05:07:53PM -0700, Niall O'Higgins wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Weekly refresh of data on http://sandbox.freebase.com happening over the next
> few minutes.
> 
> -- 
> Niall O'Higgins
> Software Engineer
> Metaweb Technologies, Inc.
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers

-- 
Niall O'Higgins
Software Engineer
Metaweb Technologies, Inc.

From ninjascience at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 03:48:14 2007
From: ninjascience at gmail.com (Ryan Miller)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 20:48:14 -0700
Subject: [Developers] coldfusion
In-Reply-To: <8037c20b0708061353s3479ed25sc18c25e9ceb99b8b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200708060934.HMR90732@c2bthomr03.btconnect.com>
	<8037c20b0708060834l5b1e5b6bia782c1ebb56db559@mail.gmail.com>
	<200708061747.DCZ07065@c2bthomr14.btconnect.com>
	<8037c20b0708061353s3479ed25sc18c25e9ceb99b8b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8037c20b0708062048h7761c7dbva46bb876e5044dde@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

I was playing with the MQL Write services this afternoon and saw their
example of using the login API, what you were tryin to do with the
first http post in your code.  After messing around I figured out that
the username needs to be your email address.  I also used a chttp
param to specify the content type.  The returned content is a JSON
string but CF turns it into a Java ByteArrayOutputStream.  Just use
it's toString() method to see if the login succeeds (metaweb always
returns a 200 status, even if the login fails, you need to inspect the
JSON string to know if it succeeded.

<cfhttp URL="http://www.freebase.com/api/account/login" method="POST">
	<cfhttpparam name="Content-Type"
value="application/x-www-form-urlencoded" type="header" />
	<cfhttpparam name="username" value="myaddy at gmail.com" type="formfield" />
	<cfhttpparam name="password" value="mypassword" type="formfield" />
</cfhttp>
<cfdump var="#cfhttp.filecontent.toString()#" />


On 8/6/07, Ryan Miller <ninjascience at gmail.com> wrote:
> from what I can tell you're trying to do an HTTP POST to the freebase
> site with your username and password sent as POST variables, getting
> the metaweb-user cookie out of that response, than using that to do
> your mql POST.  Why not just lookup your metaweb-user cookie value out
> of your browser and hard-code into your app?  When I tried your code
> the first POST that should return the cookie doesn't, so if you want
> to keep going this route, concentrate there.  Make sure your sending
> the vars under the right names (including case), and fake the
> user-agent string to a common browser.
>
> On 8/6/07, Mark CE <markce at btclick.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Don't worry I have tried both POST and GET, many times now!
> >
> >  Two crappy CF templates attached (testme.cfm which calls testme2.cfm).  I
> > am not familiar with this list; if it doesn't accept attachments and I
> > should be including the code in the body of this email, I guess I'll find
> > out when my message comes back.
> >
> >  Needless to say, the cookie-getting function does work and successfully
> > returns the two cookies:
> >  metaweb-user and metaweb-user-info.
> >
> >  -----------------------
> >  Originally I wasn't deserialising the JSON response so hence the unhelpful
> > error message.
> >  Now the response is:
> >
> >  code: /api/status/error/input/invalid
> >  message: authentication required
> >  ----------------------
> >
> >  Thanks again
> >  Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >  At 16:34 06/08/2007, you wrote:
> >
> >
> > In addition to the cookie requirement, you probably need to do your
> >  cfhttp call as a POST, cfhttp is a GET by default.  If that doesn't
> >  work post your cfhttp code here to the list.
> >
> >  On 8/6/07, Mark CE <markce at btclick.com> wrote:
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >  Hello there,
> >  >  Has anyone successfully retrieved a query result from Freebase using
> >  > Coldfusion CFHTTP?
> >  >  Or know of a reason why mine would return a 400 error?
> >  >
> >  >  HTTP/1.0 400 Bad Request X-Metaweb-Cost: dt=0.001, nreqs=0 Date: Fri, 03
> >  > Aug 2007 16:10:49 GMT X-Metaweb-TID:
> >  > cache;cache01.p01.sfo1:8101;2007-08-03T16:10:49Z;0002
> >  > Server: Apache/2.0.58 Vary: Accept-Encoding Cache-Control: no-cache
> >  > Content-Type: applic
> >  >
> >  >  If instead of CFHTTP I get my coldfusion code to output the URL to the
> >  > page; I copy and paste into the address bar, I get a 200 response... and
> > the
> >  > query results I would expect.
> >  >
> >  >  Working code samples gratefully received!!!
> >  >  Thanks
> >  >  Mark CE
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >  ________________________________
> >  >  Mark Christian-Edwards
> >  >  markce at btclick.com
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > _______________________________________________
> >  > Developers mailing list
> >  > Developers at freebase.com
> >  > http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
> >  >
> >  >
> >
> >
> >
> >  --
> >  No virus found in this incoming message.
> >  Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >  Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.6/938 - Release Date: 05/08/2007
> > 16:16
> >
> >
> > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.6/938 - Release Date: 05/08/2007
> > 16:16
> >
> >
> >
>

From markce at btclick.com  Tue Aug  7 09:09:25 2007
From: markce at btclick.com (Mark CE)
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:09:25 +0100
Subject: [Developers] coldfusion CFHTTP COOKIE "authentication required"
In-Reply-To: <8037c20b0708062048h7761c7dbva46bb876e5044dde@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <200708060934.HMR90732@c2bthomr03.btconnect.com>
	<8037c20b0708060834l5b1e5b6bia782c1ebb56db559@mail.gmail.com>
	<200708061747.DCZ07065@c2bthomr14.btconnect.com>
	<8037c20b0708061353s3479ed25sc18c25e9ceb99b8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8037c20b0708062048h7761c7dbva46bb876e5044dde@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200708071010.CRZ11591@c2bthomr09.btconnect.com>

changed the email subject to make it more specific

I used your "toString" extraction into my code and the result does 
come back as "Login Succeeded", so I still think the problem is in 
what I'm posting to the mqlread service.  In fact the login call 
returns a success with my plain user name; so apparently email is not 
necessary.

In fact I have also hard-coded (copied & pasted) the metaweb-user 
cookie from my browser session into the cookie param for the mqlread 
call; same 400 problem.

What I would be really keen to have is an example of working code for 
this part:

<cfhttp url="http://www.freebase.com/api/service/mqlread" method="POST">
      <cfhttpparam name="q" value="something that works here" type="FORMFIELD">
      <cfhttpparam name="metaweb-user" 
value="A|u_mycookie|g_...etc...Kug" type="COOKIE">
</cfhttp>

I have tried adding this:
<cfhttpparam name="Content-Type" 
value="application/x-www-form-urlencoded" type="header" />
but it makes no difference.

I have also tried the request with the "q" cfhttpparam on its own 
without the cookie.
And with the cookie cfhttpparam on its own without the q parameter.
And with a dummy param, leaving out both q and cookie.

Same result every time.

One potential problem is that my cookie has a "#" in it.
I resolved this by replacing it with "##" which is the usual practice 
for escaping "#" in CF.


Mark CE


At 04:48 07/08/2007, Ryan Miller wrote:

>Mark,
>
>I was playing with the MQL Write services this afternoon and saw their
>example of using the login API, what you were tryin to do with the
>first http post in your code.  After messing around I figured out that
>the username needs to be your email address.  I also used a chttp
>param to specify the content type.  The returned content is a JSON
>string but CF turns it into a Java ByteArrayOutputStream.  Just use
>it's toString() method to see if the login succeeds (metaweb always
>returns a 200 status, even if the login fails, you need to inspect the
>JSON string to know if it succeeded.
>
><cfhttp URL="http://www.freebase.com/api/account/login" method="POST">
>      <cfhttpparam name="Content-Type"
>value="application/x-www-form-urlencoded" type="header" />
>      <cfhttpparam name="username" value="myaddy at gmail.com" 
> type="formfield" />
>      <cfhttpparam name="password" value="mypassword" type="formfield" />
></cfhttp>
><cfdump var="#cfhttp.filecontent.toString()#" />
>
>
>On 8/6/07, Ryan Miller <ninjascience at gmail.com> wrote:
> > from what I can tell you're trying to do an HTTP POST to the freebase
> > site with your username and password sent as POST variables, getting
> > the metaweb-user cookie out of that response, than using that to do
> > your mql POST.  Why not just lookup your metaweb-user cookie value out
> > of your browser and hard-code into your app?  When I tried your code
> > the first POST that should return the cookie doesn't, so if you want
> > to keep going this route, concentrate there.  Make sure your sending
> > the vars under the right names (including case), and fake the
> > user-agent string to a common browser.
> >
> > On 8/6/07, Mark CE <markce at btclick.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >  Don't worry I have tried both POST and GET, many times now!
> > >
> > >  Two crappy CF templates attached (testme.cfm which calls 
> testme2.cfm).  I
> > > am not familiar with this list; if it doesn't accept attachments and I
> > > should be including the code in the body of this email, I guess I'll find
> > > out when my message comes back.
> > >
> > >  Needless to say, the cookie-getting function does work and successfully
> > > returns the two cookies:
> > >  metaweb-user and metaweb-user-info.
> > >
> > >  -----------------------
> > >  Originally I wasn't deserialising the JSON response so hence 
> the unhelpful
> > > error message.
> > >  Now the response is:
> > >
> > >  code: /api/status/error/input/invalid
> > >  message: authentication required
> > >  ----------------------
> > >
> > >  Thanks again
> > >  Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  At 16:34 06/08/2007, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > In addition to the cookie requirement, you probably need to do your
> > >  cfhttp call as a POST, cfhttp is a GET by default.  If that doesn't
> > >  work post your cfhttp code here to the list.
> > >
> > >  On 8/6/07, Mark CE <markce at btclick.com> wrote:
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >  Hello there,
> > >  >  Has anyone successfully retrieved a query result from Freebase using
> > >  > Coldfusion CFHTTP?
> > >  >  Or know of a reason why mine would return a 400 error?
> > >  >
> > >  >  HTTP/1.0 400 Bad Request X-Metaweb-Cost: dt=0.001, nreqs=0 
> Date: Fri, 03
> > >  > Aug 2007 16:10:49 GMT X-Metaweb-TID:
> > >  > cache;cache01.p01.sfo1:8101;2007-08-03T16:10:49Z;0002
> > >  > Server: Apache/2.0.58 Vary: Accept-Encoding Cache-Control: no-cache
> > >  > Content-Type: applic
> > >  >
> > >  >  If instead of CFHTTP I get my coldfusion code to output the 
> URL to the
> > >  > page; I copy and paste into the address bar, I get a 200 
> response... and
> > > the
> > >  > query results I would expect.
> > >  >
> > >  >  Working code samples gratefully received!!!
> > >  >  Thanks
> > >  >  Mark CE
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >  ________________________________
> > >  >  Mark Christian-Edwards
> > >  >  markce at btclick.com
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > _______________________________________________
> > >  > Developers mailing list
> > >  > Developers at freebase.com
> > >  > http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  --
> > >  No virus found in this incoming message.
> > >  Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > >  Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.6/938 - Release 
> Date: 05/08/2007
> > > 16:16
> > >
> > >
> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.6/938 - Release Date: 
> 05/08/2007
> > > 16:16
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>--
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From ninjascience at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 16:38:10 2007
From: ninjascience at gmail.com (Ryan Miller)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:38:10 -0700
Subject: [Developers] coldfusion CFHTTP COOKIE "authentication required"
In-Reply-To: <200708071010.CRZ11591@c2bthomr09.btconnect.com>
References: <200708060934.HMR90732@c2bthomr03.btconnect.com>
	<8037c20b0708060834l5b1e5b6bia782c1ebb56db559@mail.gmail.com>
	<200708061747.DCZ07065@c2bthomr14.btconnect.com>
	<8037c20b0708061353s3479ed25sc18c25e9ceb99b8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8037c20b0708062048h7761c7dbva46bb876e5044dde@mail.gmail.com>
	<200708071010.CRZ11591@c2bthomr09.btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <8037c20b0708070938t68204139pfd4f652128f01032@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

Bad news, CF automatically urlencodes the cookie which makes it
unrecognizable to freebase's api service.  Why they do this I have no
idea, it's about the worst thing I've ever seen in CF.  Yes, there is
an attribute for "encoded" but it is ignored on Cookie types.  The
good news is there is a workaround.

<cfhttpparam type="cgi" name="Cookie"
value="metaweb-user=#metaWebUserValue#;metaweb-user-info:#metaWebUserInfoValue#"
encoded="no" />

Be sure you're getting just the values out of the login response cookie.

<cfset userCookie = cfhttp.responseHeader['set-cookie'][1] />
<cfset metaWebUserParam = listFirst(userCookie, ";") />
<cfset metaWebUserValue = listLast(metaWebUserParam, "=") />

<cfset userInfoCookie = cfhttp.responseHeader['set-cookie'][2] />
<cfset metaWebUserInfoParam = listFirst(userInfoCookie, ";") />
<cfset metaWebUserInfoValue = listLast(metaWebUserInfoParam, "=") />

I'm using this on the mqlwrite service and it's not working 100% yet,
but I'm not getting the failed authentication response anymore either.


On 8/7/07, Mark CE <markce at btclick.com> wrote:
>
>  changed the email subject to make it more specific
>
>  I used your "toString" extraction into my code and the result does come
> back as "Login Succeeded", so I still think the problem is in what I'm
> posting to the mqlread service.  In fact the login call returns a success
> with my plain user name; so apparently email is not necessary.
>
>  In fact I have also hard-coded (copied & pasted) the metaweb-user cookie
> from my browser session into the cookie param for the mqlread call; same 400
> problem.
>
>  What I would be really keen to have is an example of working code for this
> part:
>
>  <cfhttp url="http://www.freebase.com/api/service/mqlread"
> method="POST">
>       <cfhttpparam name="q" value="something that works here"
> type="FORMFIELD">
>       <cfhttpparam name="metaweb-user"
> value="A|u_mycookie|g_...etc...Kug" type="COOKIE">
>  </cfhttp>
>
>  I have tried adding this:
>  <cfhttpparam name="Content-Type"
> value="application/x-www-form-urlencoded" type="header" />
>  but it makes no difference.
>
>  I have also tried the request with the "q" cfhttpparam on its own without
> the cookie.
>  And with the cookie cfhttpparam on its own without the q parameter.
>  And with a dummy param, leaving out both q and cookie.
>
>  Same result every time.
>
>  One potential problem is that my cookie has a "#" in it.
>  I resolved this by replacing it with "##" which is the usual practice for
> escaping "#" in CF.
>
>
>  Mark CE
>
>
>  At 04:48 07/08/2007, Ryan Miller wrote:
>
>
> Mark,
>
>  I was playing with the MQL Write services this afternoon and saw their
>  example of using the login API, what you were tryin to do with the
>  first http post in your code.  After messing around I figured out that
>  the username needs to be your email address.  I also used a chttp
>  param to specify the content type.  The returned content is a JSON
>  string but CF turns it into a Java ByteArrayOutputStream.  Just use
>  it's toString() method to see if the login succeeds (metaweb always
>  returns a 200 status, even if the login fails, you need to inspect the
>  JSON string to know if it succeeded.
>
>  <cfhttp URL=" http://www.freebase.com/api/account/login"
> method="POST">
>       <cfhttpparam name="Content-Type"
>  value="application/x-www-form-urlencoded" type="header" />
>       <cfhttpparam name="username" value="myaddy at gmail.com" type="formfield"
> />
>       <cfhttpparam name="password" value="mypassword" type="formfield" />
>  </cfhttp>
>  <cfdump var="#cfhttp.filecontent.toString()#" />
>
>
>  On 8/6/07, Ryan Miller <ninjascience at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > from what I can tell you're trying to do an HTTP POST to the freebase
>  > site with your username and password sent as POST variables, getting
>  > the metaweb-user cookie out of that response, than using that to do
>  > your mql POST.  Why not just lookup your metaweb-user cookie value out
>  > of your browser and hard-code into your app?  When I tried your code
>  > the first POST that should return the cookie doesn't, so if you want
>  > to keep going this route, concentrate there.  Make sure your sending
>  > the vars under the right names (including case), and fake the
>  > user-agent string to a common browser.
>  >
>  > On 8/6/07, Mark CE <markce at btclick.com> wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >  Don't worry I have tried both POST and GET, many times now!
>  > >
>  > >  Two crappy CF templates attached (testme.cfm which calls testme2.cfm).
>  I
>  > > am not familiar with this list; if it doesn't accept attachments and I
>  > > should be including the code in the body of this email, I guess I'll
> find
>  > > out when my message comes back.
>  > >
>  > >  Needless to say, the cookie-getting function does work and
> successfully
>  > > returns the two cookies:
>  > >  metaweb-user and metaweb-user-info.
>  > >
>  > >  -----------------------
>  > >  Originally I wasn't deserialising the JSON response so hence the
> unhelpful
>  > > error message.
>  > >  Now the response is:
>  > >
>  > >  code: /api/status/error/input/invalid
>  > >  message: authentication required
>  > >  ----------------------
>  > >
>  > >  Thanks again
>  > >  Mark
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >  At 16:34 06/08/2007, you wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > In addition to the cookie requirement, you probably need to do your
>  > >  cfhttp call as a POST, cfhttp is a GET by default.  If that doesn't
>  > >  work post your cfhttp code here to the list.
>  > >
>  > >  On 8/6/07, Mark CE <markce at btclick.com> wrote:
>  > >  >
>  > >  >
>  > >  >  Hello there,
>  > >  >  Has anyone successfully retrieved a query result from Freebase
> using
>  > >  > Coldfusion CFHTTP?
>  > >  >  Or know of a reason why mine would return a 400 error?
>  > >  >
>  > >  >  HTTP/1.0 400 Bad Request X-Metaweb-Cost: dt=0.001, nreqs=0 Date:
> Fri, 03
>  > >  > Aug 2007 16:10:49 GMT X-Metaweb-TID:
>  > >  >
> cache;cache01.p01.sfo1:8101;2007-08-03T16:10:49Z;0002
>  > >  > Server: Apache/2.0.58 Vary: Accept-Encoding Cache-Control: no-cache
>  > >  > Content-Type: applic
>  > >  >
>  > >  >  If instead of CFHTTP I get my coldfusion code to output the URL to
> the
>  > >  > page; I copy and paste into the address bar, I get a 200 response...
> and
>  > > the
>  > >  > query results I would expect.
>  > >  >
>  > >  >  Working code samples gratefully received!!!
>  > >  >  Thanks
>  > >  >  Mark CE
>  > >  >
>  > >  >
>  > >  >
>  > >  >  ________________________________
>  > >  >  Mark Christian-Edwards
>  > >  >  markce at btclick.com
>  > >  >
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From markce at btclick.com  Tue Aug  7 19:31:09 2007
From: markce at btclick.com (Mark CE)
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:31:09 +0100
Subject: [Developers] coldfusion CFHTTP COOKIE "authentication required"
In-Reply-To: <8037c20b0708070938t68204139pfd4f652128f01032@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <200708060934.HMR90732@c2bthomr03.btconnect.com>
	<8037c20b0708060834l5b1e5b6bia782c1ebb56db559@mail.gmail.com>
	<200708061747.DCZ07065@c2bthomr14.btconnect.com>
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Brilliant, Ryan, that's sorted it; goodbye to "authentication required" error.

On with "Type /type/object does not have property query" !
...solved by passing this:

{"query": [{ etc }]}

instead of:

{"qname":
{"query": [{ etc }]}
}

...and I have results!!!



At 17:38 07/08/2007, Ryan Miller wrote:

>Mark,
>
>Bad news, CF automatically urlencodes the cookie which makes it
>unrecognizable to freebase's api service.  Why they do this I have no
>idea, it's about the worst thing I've ever seen in CF.  Yes, there is
>an attribute for "encoded" but it is ignored on Cookie types.  The
>good news is there is a workaround.
>
><cfhttpparam type="cgi" name="Cookie"
>value="metaweb-user=#metaWebUserValue#;metaweb-user-info:#metaWebUserInfoValue#"
>encoded="no" />
>
>Be sure you're getting just the values out of the login response cookie.
>
><cfset userCookie = cfhttp.responseHeader['set-cookie'][1] />
><cfset metaWebUserParam = listFirst(userCookie, ";") />
><cfset metaWebUserValue = listLast(metaWebUserParam, "=") />
>
><cfset userInfoCookie = cfhttp.responseHeader['set-cookie'][2] />
><cfset metaWebUserInfoParam = listFirst(userInfoCookie, ";") />
><cfset metaWebUserInfoValue = listLast(metaWebUserInfoParam, "=") />
>
>I'm using this on the mqlwrite service and it's not working 100% yet,
>but I'm not getting the failed authentication response anymore either.
>
>
>On 8/7/07, Mark CE <markce at btclick.com> wrote:
> >
> >  changed the email subject to make it more specific
> >
> >  I used your "toString" extraction into my code and the result does come
> > back as "Login Succeeded", so I still think the problem is in what I'm
> > posting to the mqlread service.  In fact the login call returns a success
> > with my plain user name; so apparently email is not necessary.
> >
> >  In fact I have also hard-coded (copied & pasted) the metaweb-user cookie
> > from my browser session into the cookie param for the mqlread 
> call; same 400
> > problem.
> >
> >  What I would be really keen to have is an example of working code for this
> > part:
> >
> >  <cfhttp url="http://www.freebase.com/api/service/mqlread"
> > method="POST">
> >       <cfhttpparam name="q" value="something that works here"
> > type="FORMFIELD">
> >       <cfhttpparam name="metaweb-user"
> > value="A|u_mycookie|g_...etc...Kug" type="COOKIE">
> >  </cfhttp>
> >
> >  I have tried adding this:
> >  <cfhttpparam name="Content-Type"
> > value="application/x-www-form-urlencoded" type="header" />
> >  but it makes no difference.
> >
> >  I have also tried the request with the "q" cfhttpparam on its own without
> > the cookie.
> >  And with the cookie cfhttpparam on its own without the q parameter.
> >  And with a dummy param, leaving out both q and cookie.
> >
> >  Same result every time.
> >
> >  One potential problem is that my cookie has a "#" in it.
> >  I resolved this by replacing it with "##" which is the usual practice for
> > escaping "#" in CF.
> >
> >
> >  Mark CE
> >
> >
> >  At 04:48 07/08/2007, Ryan Miller wrote:
> >
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> >  I was playing with the MQL Write services this afternoon and saw their
> >  example of using the login API, what you were tryin to do with the
> >  first http post in your code.  After messing around I figured out that
> >  the username needs to be your email address.  I also used a chttp
> >  param to specify the content type.  The returned content is a JSON
> >  string but CF turns it into a Java ByteArrayOutputStream.  Just use
> >  it's toString() method to see if the login succeeds (metaweb always
> >  returns a 200 status, even if the login fails, you need to inspect the
> >  JSON string to know if it succeeded.
> >
> >  <cfhttp URL=" http://www.freebase.com/api/account/login"
> > method="POST">
> >       <cfhttpparam name="Content-Type"
> >  value="application/x-www-form-urlencoded" type="header" />
> >       <cfhttpparam name="username" value="myaddy at gmail.com" 
> type="formfield"
> > />
> >       <cfhttpparam name="password" value="mypassword" type="formfield" />
> >  </cfhttp>
> >  <cfdump var="#cfhttp.filecontent.toString()#" />
> >
> >
> >  On 8/6/07, Ryan Miller <ninjascience at gmail.com> wrote:
> >  > from what I can tell you're trying to do an HTTP POST to the freebase
> >  > site with your username and password sent as POST variables, getting
> >  > the metaweb-user cookie out of that response, than using that to do
> >  > your mql POST.  Why not just lookup your metaweb-user cookie value out
> >  > of your browser and hard-code into your app?  When I tried your code
> >  > the first POST that should return the cookie doesn't, so if you want
> >  > to keep going this route, concentrate there.  Make sure your sending
> >  > the vars under the right names (including case), and fake the
> >  > user-agent string to a common browser.
> >  >
> >  > On 8/6/07, Mark CE <markce at btclick.com> wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >  Don't worry I have tried both POST and GET, many times now!
> >  > >
> >  > >  Two crappy CF templates attached (testme.cfm which calls 
> testme2.cfm).
> >  I
> >  > > am not familiar with this list; if it doesn't accept attachments and I
> >  > > should be including the code in the body of this email, I guess I'll
> > find
> >  > > out when my message comes back.
> >  > >
> >  > >  Needless to say, the cookie-getting function does work and
> > successfully
> >  > > returns the two cookies:
> >  > >  metaweb-user and metaweb-user-info.
> >  > >
> >  > >  -----------------------
> >  > >  Originally I wasn't deserialising the JSON response so hence the
> > unhelpful
> >  > > error message.
> >  > >  Now the response is:
> >  > >
> >  > >  code: /api/status/error/input/invalid
> >  > >  message: authentication required
> >  > >  ----------------------
> >  > >
> >  > >  Thanks again
> >  > >  Mark
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >  At 16:34 06/08/2007, you wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > In addition to the cookie requirement, you probably need to do your
> >  > >  cfhttp call as a POST, cfhttp is a GET by default.  If that doesn't
> >  > >  work post your cfhttp code here to the list.
> >  > >
> >  > >  On 8/6/07, Mark CE <markce at btclick.com> wrote:
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  >  Hello there,
> >  > >  >  Has anyone successfully retrieved a query result from Freebase
> > using
> >  > >  > Coldfusion CFHTTP?
> >  > >  >  Or know of a reason why mine would return a 400 error?
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  >  HTTP/1.0 400 Bad Request X-Metaweb-Cost: dt=0.001, nreqs=0 Date:
> > Fri, 03
> >  > >  > Aug 2007 16:10:49 GMT X-Metaweb-TID:
> >  > >  >
> > cache;cache01.p01.sfo1:8101;2007-08-03T16:10:49Z;0002
> >  > >  > Server: Apache/2.0.58 Vary: Accept-Encoding Cache-Control: no-cache
> >  > >  > Content-Type: applic
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  >  If instead of CFHTTP I get my coldfusion code to output the URL to
> > the
> >  > >  > page; I copy and paste into the address bar, I get a 200 
> response...
> > and
> >  > > the
> >  > >  > query results I would expect.
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  >  Working code samples gratefully received!!!
> >  > >  >  Thanks
> >  > >  >  Mark CE
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  >  ________________________________
> >  > >  >  Mark Christian-Edwards
> >  > >  >  markce at btclick.com
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  >
> >  > >  > _______________________________________________
> >  > >  > Developers mailing list
> >  > >  > Developers at freebase.com
> >  > >  >
> > http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
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From nix at metaweb.com  Tue Aug  7 20:15:32 2007
From: nix at metaweb.com (Nick Thompson)
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:15:32 -0700
Subject: [Developers] mjt 0.5.1 released
Message-ID: <46B8D2E4.20507@metaweb.com>

This is a bugfix release.  The ``dist/mjt-0.5/mjt.js`` path now
points to 0.5.1, so there is no need to update your scripts.

Mjt now works with Safari 2.  Known bugs on Safari 2:
  - unicode characters from the freebase service aren't rendered
    properly - this should be fixed in the service soon.

Autosuggest developments:

- Zak Stein provided patches to make the autosuggest example
   work with IE6.

- Will Moffat provided code for an onchange event so you
   can display more info about the currently highlighted choice.

- works on safari but some of the styles look ugly and the
   arrow keys don't work.

New comments page:

- Chris Maden has built an improved "recent comments" viewer.


Enjoy, and keep those bug reports coming...

     nick

From brendan at metaweb.com  Tue Aug  7 23:18:40 2007
From: brendan at metaweb.com (brendan neutra)
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:18:40 -0700
Subject: [Developers] /architecure/structure schema addition-change
In-Reply-To: <46B8D2E4.20507@metaweb.com>
References: <46B8D2E4.20507@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <46B8FDD0.4030208@metaweb.com>

Hi all,

Currently an instance of /architecture/structure has a simple property "Owner" 
with an expected type /architecture/architectural_structure_owner

This was somewhat short-sighted.  I'd like to propose pointing to a compound
value type (CVT) instead that would include:

- the owner (as above)
- the structure (as a reverse property)
- start date (datetime)
- stop date (datetime)

This would allow us to model not just who owned it but when they owned it and
perhaps other information in the future, such as details about the transaction 
that might be interesting from a real-estate context.

For now I will leave the current owner property in place.  I'd like to 
eventually make this schema enhancement, migrate the existing links and hide the 
old property in the freebase UI so it won't be used anymore.

Any objections? (I won't do this right away)

thanks,

Brendan (/architecture admin)


From markce at btclick.com  Wed Aug  8 15:08:55 2007
From: markce at btclick.com (Mark CE)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:08:55 +0100
Subject: [Developers]  query syntax problem
In-Reply-To: <46B8FDD0.4030208@metaweb.com>
References: <46B8D2E4.20507@metaweb.com>
 <46B8FDD0.4030208@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <200708081509.HJS00895@c2bthomr04.btconnect.com>


Hi all,
I'm having a problem with some really basic query syntax.

To me the location/country type definition looks as though it 
includes a "contains" property.
So I want everything that the country "United Kingdom" contains:

{
"query": [{
"id": null,
"name": "United Kingdom",
"type": "/location/country",
"contains": []
   }]
}

But the message is returned: " Type /location/country does not have 
property contains "

What am I doing wrong?
Thanks


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From will at hamstersoup.com  Wed Aug  8 15:17:34 2007
From: will at hamstersoup.com (Will Moffat)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 17:17:34 +0200
Subject: [Developers] query syntax problem
In-Reply-To: <200708081509.HJS00895@c2bthomr04.btconnect.com>
References: <46B8D2E4.20507@metaweb.com> <46B8FDD0.4030208@metaweb.com>
	<200708081509.HJS00895@c2bthomr04.btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <2f665fe20708080817p6f8396ere5d1648f11c4fa38@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark,

If you look at the schema for type /location/country you will see that
the "contains" property is actually an included property of type
/location/location

http://freebase.com/view/schema?id=%2Flocation%2Fcountry

So you need to give the full reference for "contains":

{
  "query":[{
    "/location/location/contains":[],
    "id":null,
    "name":"United Kingdom",
    "type":"/location/country"
  }]
}

regards,
--Will

On 8/8/07, Mark CE <markce at btclick.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I'm having a problem with some really basic query syntax.
>
> To me the location/country type definition looks as though it
> includes a "contains" property.
> So I want everything that the country "United Kingdom" contains:
>
> {
> "query": [{
> "id": null,
> "name": "United Kingdom",
> "type": "/location/country",
> "contains": []
>    }]
> }
>
> But the message is returned: " Type /location/country does not have
> property contains "
>
> What am I doing wrong?
> Thanks
>
>
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From hotfigs at gmail.com  Wed Aug  8 15:37:42 2007
From: hotfigs at gmail.com (Geoff Smith)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:37:42 +0100
Subject: [Developers] mjt firefox attempting to load img src
Message-ID: <d1360dad0708080837u5b4deeb8lcc97ae7380a5f6cd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've noticed that firefox (maybe other browsers too - i've not checked)
attempts to load and image in this type of structure:

<div id="template" style="display:none">
    <div mjt.def="mkexample(o)">
        <img src="${o.src}"/>
    </div>
</div>

It attempts to load a file called ${o.src}... I would have thought the
display:none would have taken care of that, guess not. The solution is to
use mjt.src instead of just src. I thought I would point it out as this kind
of thing could easily not be noticed - it makes the page load more slowly
and hits the server unnecessarily.

I also have a question, are there other attributes which could cause similar
performance problems? I.e. could using class instead of mjt.class cause the
browser to do some unnecessary work when it loads the page?

Thanks!

Geoff
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From nix at metaweb.com  Wed Aug  8 19:30:50 2007
From: nix at metaweb.com (Nick Thompson)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:30:50 -0700
Subject: [Developers] mjt firefox attempting to load img src
In-Reply-To: <d1360dad0708080837u5b4deeb8lcc97ae7380a5f6cd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d1360dad0708080837u5b4deeb8lcc97ae7380a5f6cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46BA19EA.1040706@metaweb.com>

Geoff Smith wrote:
 > I've noticed that firefox (maybe other browsers too - i've not checked)
 > attempts to load and image in this type of structure:
...
 >         <img src="${o.src}"/>

yes, good tip - if you have a tag like <img src="$some_expression"> the
browser will treat it literally and try to fetch an image before mjt gets
a chance to substitute in the real url.  mjt.src="$some_expression" will
hide the src attribute from the browser until mjt expands it.
you may still want to include a src="#" attribute with your img tag so that it
validates as xhtml.  the src= will be overridden by the mjt.src="..." when
the template is expanded.

the other place where mjt.src= comes in useful is with the <iframe> tag,
which has the same issues as <img> as far as the browser trying to interpret
the src= attribute before we're ready.

 > I also have a question, are there other attributes which could cause
 > similar performance problems? I.e. could using class instead of
 > mjt.class cause the browser to do some unnecessary work when it loads
 > the page?

computing other attributes might be slightly slower, but i doubt it's
significant.  mjt.src= is definitely worth using because an extra
network request is comparatively expensive.  but it shouldn't be a
noticeable performance hit for the browser to keep around a few extra
attributes that were only used in the template source code.

     nick

Geoff Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've noticed that firefox (maybe other browsers too - i've not checked) 
> attempts to load and image in this type of structure:
> 
> <div id="template" style="display:none">
>     <div mjt.def="mkexample(o)">
>         <img src="${o.src}"/>
>     </div>
> </div>
> 
> It attempts to load a file called ${o.src}... I would have thought the 
> display:none would have taken care of that, guess not. The solution is 
> to use mjt.src instead of just src. I thought I would point it out as 
> this kind of thing could easily not be noticed - it makes the page load 
> more slowly and hits the server unnecessarily.
> 
> I also have a question, are there other attributes which could cause 
> similar performance problems? I.e. could using class instead of 
> mjt.class cause the browser to do some unnecessary work when it loads 
> the page?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Geoff
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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From tim at metaweb.com  Wed Aug  8 21:56:07 2007
From: tim at metaweb.com (Tim Kientzle)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:56:07 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Sandbox.freebase.com Maintenance
Message-ID: <46BA3BF7.6020407@metaweb.com>

We're going to be doing some hardware maintenance
on sandbox.freebase.com over the next couple of hours.

We expect the system to be available throughout, though
you may see a few short glitches as we switch different
machines in and out of service.

Thanks for your patience,

Tim Kientzle

From tsturge at metaweb.com  Thu Aug  9 21:08:01 2007
From: tsturge at metaweb.com (Tim Sturge)
Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:08:01 -0700
Subject: [Developers] coldfusion CFHTTP COOKIE "authentication required"
In-Reply-To: <200708071941.DDC30340@c2bthomr14.btconnect.com>
References: <200708060934.HMR90732@c2bthomr03.btconnect.com>	<8037c20b0708060834l5b1e5b6bia782c1ebb56db559@mail.gmail.com>	<200708061747.DCZ07065@c2bthomr14.btconnect.com>	<8037c20b0708061353s3479ed25sc18c25e9ceb99b8b@mail.gmail.com>	<8037c20b0708062048h7761c7dbva46bb876e5044dde@mail.gmail.com>	<200708071010.CRZ11591@c2bthomr09.btconnect.com>	<8037c20b0708070938t68204139pfd4f652128f01032@mail.gmail.com>
	<200708071941.DDC30340@c2bthomr14.btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <46BB8231.1010405@metaweb.com>

Hi Mark, Ryan,

Would you mind trying

{"qname":
{"query": [{ etc }]}
}

again, but changing the 

      <cfhttpparam name="q" value="something that works here"
type="FORMFIELD">

from "q" to "queries"?

The reason I'm asking is that "?q=" was an old syntax we used to use internally. We never documented it and are very close to removing it completely. The doubly nested form is a little bit more complex to begin with, but it has a lot of advantages if you need to pass multiple queries, or you need to pass query options (to control what language you use for example)

We really want to avoid breaking API users code; if you have any problem with queries=, please let me know and I'll investigate.

Thanks,

Tim


Mark CE wrote:
> Brilliant, Ryan, that's sorted it; goodbye to "authentication required" error.
>
> On with "Type /type/object does not have property query" !
> ...solved by passing this:
>
> {"query": [{ etc }]}
>
> instead of:
>
> {"qname":
> {"query": [{ etc }]}
> }
>
> ...and I have results!!!
>
>
>
> At 17:38 07/08/2007, Ryan Miller wrote:
>
>   
>> Mark,
>>
>> Bad news, CF automatically urlencodes the cookie which makes it
>> unrecognizable to freebase's api service.  Why they do this I have no
>> idea, it's about the worst thing I've ever seen in CF.  Yes, there is
>> an attribute for "encoded" but it is ignored on Cookie types.  The
>> good news is there is a workaround.
>>
>> <cfhttpparam type="cgi" name="Cookie"
>> value="metaweb-user=#metaWebUserValue#;metaweb-user-info:#metaWebUserInfoValue#"
>> encoded="no" />
>>
>> Be sure you're getting just the values out of the login response cookie.
>>
>> <cfset userCookie = cfhttp.responseHeader['set-cookie'][1] />
>> <cfset metaWebUserParam = listFirst(userCookie, ";") />
>> <cfset metaWebUserValue = listLast(metaWebUserParam, "=") />
>>
>> <cfset userInfoCookie = cfhttp.responseHeader['set-cookie'][2] />
>> <cfset metaWebUserInfoParam = listFirst(userInfoCookie, ";") />
>> <cfset metaWebUserInfoValue = listLast(metaWebUserInfoParam, "=") />
>>
>> I'm using this on the mqlwrite service and it's not working 100% yet,
>> but I'm not getting the failed authentication response anymore either.
>>
>>
>> On 8/7/07, Mark CE <markce at btclick.com> wrote:
>>     
>>>  changed the email subject to make it more specific
>>>
>>>  I used your "toString" extraction into my code and the result does come
>>> back as "Login Succeeded", so I still think the problem is in what I'm
>>> posting to the mqlread service.  In fact the login call returns a success
>>> with my plain user name; so apparently email is not necessary.
>>>
>>>  In fact I have also hard-coded (copied & pasted) the metaweb-user cookie
>>> from my browser session into the cookie param for the mqlread 
>>>       
>> call; same 400
>>     
>>> problem.
>>>
>>>  What I would be really keen to have is an example of working code for this
>>> part:
>>>
>>>  <cfhttp url="http://www.freebase.com/api/service/mqlread"
>>> method="POST">
>>>       <cfhttpparam name="q" value="something that works here"
>>> type="FORMFIELD">
>>>       <cfhttpparam name="metaweb-user"
>>> value="A|u_mycookie|g_...etc...Kug" type="COOKIE">
>>>  </cfhttp>
>>>
>>>  I have tried adding this:
>>>  <cfhttpparam name="Content-Type"
>>> value="application/x-www-form-urlencoded" type="header" />
>>>  but it makes no difference.
>>>
>>>  I have also tried the request with the "q" cfhttpparam on its own without
>>> the cookie.
>>>  And with the cookie cfhttpparam on its own without the q parameter.
>>>  And with a dummy param, leaving out both q and cookie.
>>>
>>>  Same result every time.
>>>
>>>  One potential problem is that my cookie has a "#" in it.
>>>  I resolved this by replacing it with "##" which is the usual practice for
>>> escaping "#" in CF.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Mark CE
>>>
>>>
>>>  At 04:48 07/08/2007, Ryan Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>>  I was playing with the MQL Write services this afternoon and saw their
>>>  example of using the login API, what you were tryin to do with the
>>>  first http post in your code.  After messing around I figured out that
>>>  the username needs to be your email address.  I also used a chttp
>>>  param to specify the content type.  The returned content is a JSON
>>>  string but CF turns it into a Java ByteArrayOutputStream.  Just use
>>>  it's toString() method to see if the login succeeds (metaweb always
>>>  returns a 200 status, even if the login fails, you need to inspect the
>>>  JSON string to know if it succeeded.
>>>
>>>  <cfhttp URL=" http://www.freebase.com/api/account/login"
>>> method="POST">
>>>       <cfhttpparam name="Content-Type"
>>>  value="application/x-www-form-urlencoded" type="header" />
>>>       <cfhttpparam name="username" value="myaddy at gmail.com" 
>>>       
>> type="formfield"
>>     
>>> />
>>>       <cfhttpparam name="password" value="mypassword" type="formfield" />
>>>  </cfhttp>
>>>  <cfdump var="#cfhttp.filecontent.toString()#" />
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 8/6/07, Ryan Miller <ninjascience at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>  > from what I can tell you're trying to do an HTTP POST to the freebase
>>>  > site with your username and password sent as POST variables, getting
>>>  > the metaweb-user cookie out of that response, than using that to do
>>>  > your mql POST.  Why not just lookup your metaweb-user cookie value out
>>>  > of your browser and hard-code into your app?  When I tried your code
>>>  > the first POST that should return the cookie doesn't, so if you want
>>>  > to keep going this route, concentrate there.  Make sure your sending
>>>  > the vars under the right names (including case), and fake the
>>>  > user-agent string to a common browser.
>>>  >
>>>  > On 8/6/07, Mark CE <markce at btclick.com> wrote:
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >  Don't worry I have tried both POST and GET, many times now!
>>>  > >
>>>  > >  Two crappy CF templates attached (testme.cfm which calls 
>>>       
>> testme2.cfm).
>>     
>>>  I
>>>  > > am not familiar with this list; if it doesn't accept attachments and I
>>>  > > should be including the code in the body of this email, I guess I'll
>>> find
>>>  > > out when my message comes back.
>>>  > >
>>>  > >  Needless to say, the cookie-getting function does work and
>>> successfully
>>>  > > returns the two cookies:
>>>  > >  metaweb-user and metaweb-user-info.
>>>  > >
>>>  > >  -----------------------
>>>  > >  Originally I wasn't deserialising the JSON response so hence the
>>> unhelpful
>>>  > > error message.
>>>  > >  Now the response is:
>>>  > >
>>>  > >  code: /api/status/error/input/invalid
>>>  > >  message: authentication required
>>>  > >  ----------------------
>>>  > >
>>>  > >  Thanks again
>>>  > >  Mark
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >  At 16:34 06/08/2007, you wrote:
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > > In addition to the cookie requirement, you probably need to do your
>>>  > >  cfhttp call as a POST, cfhttp is a GET by default.  If that doesn't
>>>  > >  work post your cfhttp code here to the list.
>>>  > >
>>>  > >  On 8/6/07, Mark CE <markce at btclick.com> wrote:
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >  >  Hello there,
>>>  > >  >  Has anyone successfully retrieved a query result from Freebase
>>> using
>>>  > >  > Coldfusion CFHTTP?
>>>  > >  >  Or know of a reason why mine would return a 400 error?
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >  >  HTTP/1.0 400 Bad Request X-Metaweb-Cost: dt=0.001, nreqs=0 Date:
>>> Fri, 03
>>>  > >  > Aug 2007 16:10:49 GMT X-Metaweb-TID:
>>>  > >  >
>>> cache;cache01.p01.sfo1:8101;2007-08-03T16:10:49Z;0002
>>>  > >  > Server: Apache/2.0.58 Vary: Accept-Encoding Cache-Control: no-cache
>>>  > >  > Content-Type: applic
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >  >  If instead of CFHTTP I get my coldfusion code to output the URL to
>>> the
>>>  > >  > page; I copy and paste into the address bar, I get a 200 
>>>       
>> response...
>>     
>>> and
>>>  > > the
>>>  > >  > query results I would expect.
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >  >  Working code samples gratefully received!!!
>>>  > >  >  Thanks
>>>  > >  >  Mark CE
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >  >  ________________________________
>>>  > >  >  Mark Christian-Edwards
>>>  > >  >  markce at btclick.com
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >  > _______________________________________________
>>>  > >  > Developers mailing list
>>>  > >  > Developers at freebase.com
>>>  > >  >
>>> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >  --
>>>  > >  No virus found in this incoming message.
>>>  > >  Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>>  > >  Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.6/938 - Release Date:
>>> 05/08/2007
>>>  > > 16:16
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > > No virus found in this outgoing message.
>>>  > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>>  > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.6/938 - Release Date:
>>> 05/08/2007
>>>  > > 16:16
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  --
>>>  No virus found in this incoming message.
>>>  Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>>  Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.6/938 - Release Date: 05/08/2007
>>> 16:16
>>>
>>>
>>> No virus found in this outgoing message.
>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.6/938 - Release Date: 05/08/2007
>>> 16:16
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>
>> --
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/940 - Release Date: 
>> 06/08/2007 16:53
>>     
>
>
>   


From synedra at gmail.com  Sat Aug 11 16:05:01 2007
From: synedra at gmail.com (Kirsten Jones)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:05:01 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Metaweb Perl module
In-Reply-To: <FC48473D-55D9-48AA-8DE3-BCCF8F604E48@caffeineconcepts.com>
References: <699EDA74-5BB9-421E-9F80-FF9E6128A603@caffeineconcepts.com>
	<2f665fe20707260708o59e8b339r9499b0c5e0056711@mail.gmail.com>
	<FC48473D-55D9-48AA-8DE3-BCCF8F604E48@caffeineconcepts.com>
Message-ID: <A473A63C-0521-402D-8094-C51D863839D2@gmail.com>

All,

I'm just about ready to start working with Hayden's perl module, and  
had some thoughts I wanted to bounce off of the rest of you.

On the more general topic of modules, I'd really love for the  
developer community to come up with a set of guidelines for client  
libraries for Metaweb.  Each language's library might well have  
additional functionality, but I'd love to define what the 'base  
functionality' for each library should be.  Doing this will make it  
easier for people to move among the various dynamic languages and  
leverage off of other people's work in different languages to seed  
their own applications.  It seems like it would also make it easier  
to create the client libraries if some essential set of behaviors is  
already specified.

Metaweb is so flexible that I'm afraid if we *don't* come up with  
something like this, the modeling in each language may end up being  
radically different.

Since I currently work at a wiki company, I was thinking of creating  
a workspace for people who are interested in collaborating on what  
these guidelines might be.  But I thought I'd start here and see what  
people think - good, bad, indifferent?  There are certainly arguments  
to be made for allowing these things to grow organically.

Thanks,
Kirsten

From narphorium at gmail.com  Sun Aug 12 01:36:50 2007
From: narphorium at gmail.com (Shawn Simister)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:36:50 -0400
Subject: [Developers] Metaweb Perl module
In-Reply-To: <A473A63C-0521-402D-8094-C51D863839D2@gmail.com>
References: <699EDA74-5BB9-421E-9F80-FF9E6128A603@caffeineconcepts.com>	<2f665fe20707260708o59e8b339r9499b0c5e0056711@mail.gmail.com>	<FC48473D-55D9-48AA-8DE3-BCCF8F604E48@caffeineconcepts.com>
	<A473A63C-0521-402D-8094-C51D863839D2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46BE6432.2070308@gmail.com>

Hi Kirsten,

I agree that a common base would be a good idea even if it just starts 
off as a very small set of features.
So far, in developing a Ruby module for Metaweb, I have been building on 
the following core concepts:

ReadService.read(queries)
WriteService.authenticate(host, user, password)
WriteService.write(queries)

As each layer of abstraction is added, the API becomes more language 
specific so at some point there will be certain features that Ruby can 
do but more rigid languages like Java couldn't. Still, I think there is 
enough overlap to warrant a common knowledge base of source code and 
best practices for API developers. Each API would be allowed to grow 
organically while maintain compatibility with Metaweb Core 1.0 (for 
example).

Can anyone from Metaweb comment on if Metaweb would want to get involved 
in a standard like this?

Shawn Simister

Kirsten Jones wrote:
> All,
>
> I'm just about ready to start working with Hayden's perl module, and  
> had some thoughts I wanted to bounce off of the rest of you.
>
> On the more general topic of modules, I'd really love for the  
> developer community to come up with a set of guidelines for client  
> libraries for Metaweb.  Each language's library might well have  
> additional functionality, but I'd love to define what the 'base  
> functionality' for each library should be.  Doing this will make it  
> easier for people to move among the various dynamic languages and  
> leverage off of other people's work in different languages to seed  
> their own applications.  It seems like it would also make it easier  
> to create the client libraries if some essential set of behaviors is  
> already specified.
>
> Metaweb is so flexible that I'm afraid if we *don't* come up with  
> something like this, the modeling in each language may end up being  
> radically different.
>
> Since I currently work at a wiki company, I was thinking of creating  
> a workspace for people who are interested in collaborating on what  
> these guidelines might be.  But I thought I'd start here and see what  
> people think - good, bad, indifferent?  There are certainly arguments  
> to be made for allowing these things to grow organically.
>
> Thanks,
> Kirsten
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>
>   


From hds at caffeineconcepts.com  Sun Aug 12 11:32:41 2007
From: hds at caffeineconcepts.com (Hayden Stainsby)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:32:41 +0200
Subject: [Developers] Metaweb Perl module
In-Reply-To: <46BE6432.2070308@gmail.com>
References: <699EDA74-5BB9-421E-9F80-FF9E6128A603@caffeineconcepts.com>	<2f665fe20707260708o59e8b339r9499b0c5e0056711@mail.gmail.com>	<FC48473D-55D9-48AA-8DE3-BCCF8F604E48@caffeineconcepts.com>
	<A473A63C-0521-402D-8094-C51D863839D2@gmail.com>
	<46BE6432.2070308@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F3625A29-1259-4CF6-9D8D-CBC27A3019DF@caffeineconcepts.com>

Firstly Perl module stuff (skip if you're not interested in Perl):
I'm hoping to release my Perl module to CPAN at some point this week,  
however at this point it's likely to be just Metaweb, not  
Net::Metaweb, as the guys on the modules mailing list pointed out  
that Net::* isn't the right place for it and I can't find another  
namespace that matches what it does. Sorry to Kirsten and anyone else  
who has started using it - any existing code will have to change to  
reflect the new namespace, I'll update everyone when it's ready.

Next general Metaweb module stuff:

I agree it would be worthwhile agreeing to some sort of standard set  
of functionality that would work across languages. The difficulty of  
course is in creating a set of guidelines that make sense for both  
procedural and object orientated languages.

I started off looking at a concept similar to Shawn's, but found that  
it meant giving up MQL's ability to send multiple queries in one  
envelope. So I'm working on a structure for sending a query that is a  
little more complex (one method call or so), but I think that even a  
programmer fairly new to Perl should be able to get it up and running  
fairly quickly.

In brief Perl-ish syntax:

$handle = Metaweb->new( server / login details here );
$handle->add_read_query( query here );
$handle->send_read_envelope;

You then access your queries by name. The important point being that  
you can send multiple named queries (or a single query using the  
default name if you don't specify a name) using the same calls.

You then also need a separate method/function to access the trans  
service to fetch pictures and body text. But that's pretty straight  
forward, all you need to use there is the translation type and the  
guid of the object you're fetching.

The last thing that I think is worth mentioning is that we need to  
incorporate the fact that read queries will be able to be performed  
without authentication (as far as I can tell) once Freebase reaches  
beta, and I suppose it's possible that some other Metaweb instance  
may come along that doesn't require any authentication at all.

I've suggested creating a type for Metaweb libraries / modules /  
frameworks under the Types -> Freebase section along with a suggested  
setup in my own namespace, if anyone has any suggestions please let  
me know.

As far as my module goes I'm planning on adding an further  
abstraction (possibly even as a separate module) that allows  
developers to work without using MQL, but view Metaweb as a pure tree- 
like structure - in a way it will be programatically like the  
Cinespin application featured in the developers section.

Sorry for my long winded post - I hope it didn't send too many people  
to sleep.

--
Hayden


On 12 Aug 2007, at 03:36, Shawn Simister wrote:

> Hi Kirsten,
>
> I agree that a common base would be a good idea even if it just starts
> off as a very small set of features.
> So far, in developing a Ruby module for Metaweb, I have been  
> building on
> the following core concepts:
>
> ReadService.read(queries)
> WriteService.authenticate(host, user, password)
> WriteService.write(queries)
>
> As each layer of abstraction is added, the API becomes more language
> specific so at some point there will be certain features that Ruby can
> do but more rigid languages like Java couldn't. Still, I think  
> there is
> enough overlap to warrant a common knowledge base of source code and
> best practices for API developers. Each API would be allowed to grow
> organically while maintain compatibility with Metaweb Core 1.0 (for
> example).
>
> Can anyone from Metaweb comment on if Metaweb would want to get  
> involved
> in a standard like this?
>
> Shawn Simister
>
> Kirsten Jones wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> I'm just about ready to start working with Hayden's perl module, and
>> had some thoughts I wanted to bounce off of the rest of you.
>>
>> On the more general topic of modules, I'd really love for the
>> developer community to come up with a set of guidelines for client
>> libraries for Metaweb.  Each language's library might well have
>> additional functionality, but I'd love to define what the 'base
>> functionality' for each library should be.  Doing this will make it
>> easier for people to move among the various dynamic languages and
>> leverage off of other people's work in different languages to seed
>> their own applications.  It seems like it would also make it easier
>> to create the client libraries if some essential set of behaviors is
>> already specified.
>>
>> Metaweb is so flexible that I'm afraid if we *don't* come up with
>> something like this, the modeling in each language may end up being
>> radically different.
>>
>> Since I currently work at a wiki company, I was thinking of creating
>> a workspace for people who are interested in collaborating on what
>> these guidelines might be.  But I thought I'd start here and see what
>> people think - good, bad, indifferent?  There are certainly arguments
>> to be made for allowing these things to grow organically.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kirsten
>> _______________________________________________
>> Developers mailing list
>> Developers at freebase.com
>> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers

#!/usr/bin/perl
chop($_=<>);@s=split/ /;foreach$m(@s){if($m=='*'){$z=pop at t;$x=
pop at t;$a=eval"$x$m$z";push at t,$a;}else{push at t,$m;}}print"$a\n";
# http://occasionallyhuman.net/
#9202a8c04000641f80000000054c75be



From rawlatv at gmail.com  Sun Aug 12 18:32:26 2007
From: rawlatv at gmail.com (Vishal Talwar)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:32:26 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Metaweb Perl module
In-Reply-To: <F3625A29-1259-4CF6-9D8D-CBC27A3019DF@caffeineconcepts.com>
References: <699EDA74-5BB9-421E-9F80-FF9E6128A603@caffeineconcepts.com>
	<2f665fe20707260708o59e8b339r9499b0c5e0056711@mail.gmail.com>
	<FC48473D-55D9-48AA-8DE3-BCCF8F604E48@caffeineconcepts.com>
	<A473A63C-0521-402D-8094-C51D863839D2@gmail.com>
	<46BE6432.2070308@gmail.com>
	<F3625A29-1259-4CF6-9D8D-CBC27A3019DF@caffeineconcepts.com>
Message-ID: <a93eda100708121132g47b8bcfk594a662a189899@mail.gmail.com>

A while back, I'd begun work on a Python module that I haven't worked on
since. It had some features I thought might be useful but no one seemed to
be using Python (outside of Metaweb), so I pretty much stopped work on it.
However, it did support most of the things discussed here, like named
queries, and some things not discussed, like cursor reads. The nice part was
that named queries could be made like so:

{
  "query":[{
    "first:starring":{
      "actor":"#actor1"
    },
    "name":null,
    "produced_by":[],
    "second:starring":{
      "actor":"#actor2"
    },
    "type":"/film/film"
  }]
}

I don't actually remember if '#' was the indicator I used but regardless,
when this query was fed into the client in a similar fashion to what you do
in your Perl module:
$handle = Metaweb->new( server / login details here );
$handle->add_read_query( query here );
What would happen is that #actor1 and #actor2 would be noticed and on a
subsequent run of the query, you could do:
$handle->send_read_envelope(actor1="Jeff Goldblum", actor2="Kevin Bacon");
$handle->send_read_envelope(actor1="Bob Saget", actor2="Kevin Bacon");

(I have no idea how Perl works but this is how it would be in Python,
anyway).

There also was a function that could read all cursor results into an array
for you without you needing to do any bookkeeping of cursor ids.

I'm not sure if the former would be practical in every language but I would
think the latter is necessary for anyone who wants a reasonably large set of
results without any timeouts.

Hope this helps,
Vishal

On 8/12/07, Hayden Stainsby <hds at caffeineconcepts.com> wrote:
>
> Firstly Perl module stuff (skip if you're not interested in Perl):
> I'm hoping to release my Perl module to CPAN at some point this week,
> however at this point it's likely to be just Metaweb, not
> Net::Metaweb, as the guys on the modules mailing list pointed out
> that Net::* isn't the right place for it and I can't find another
> namespace that matches what it does. Sorry to Kirsten and anyone else
> who has started using it - any existing code will have to change to
> reflect the new namespace, I'll update everyone when it's ready.
>
> Next general Metaweb module stuff:
>
> I agree it would be worthwhile agreeing to some sort of standard set
> of functionality that would work across languages. The difficulty of
> course is in creating a set of guidelines that make sense for both
> procedural and object orientated languages.
>
> I started off looking at a concept similar to Shawn's, but found that
> it meant giving up MQL's ability to send multiple queries in one
> envelope. So I'm working on a structure for sending a query that is a
> little more complex (one method call or so), but I think that even a
> programmer fairly new to Perl should be able to get it up and running
> fairly quickly.
>
> In brief Perl-ish syntax:
>
> $handle = Metaweb->new( server / login details here );
> $handle->add_read_query( query here );
> $handle->send_read_envelope;
>
> You then access your queries by name. The important point being that
> you can send multiple named queries (or a single query using the
> default name if you don't specify a name) using the same calls.
>
> You then also need a separate method/function to access the trans
> service to fetch pictures and body text. But that's pretty straight
> forward, all you need to use there is the translation type and the
> guid of the object you're fetching.
>
> The last thing that I think is worth mentioning is that we need to
> incorporate the fact that read queries will be able to be performed
> without authentication (as far as I can tell) once Freebase reaches
> beta, and I suppose it's possible that some other Metaweb instance
> may come along that doesn't require any authentication at all.
>
> I've suggested creating a type for Metaweb libraries / modules /
> frameworks under the Types -> Freebase section along with a suggested
> setup in my own namespace, if anyone has any suggestions please let
> me know.
>
> As far as my module goes I'm planning on adding an further
> abstraction (possibly even as a separate module) that allows
> developers to work without using MQL, but view Metaweb as a pure tree-
> like structure - in a way it will be programatically like the
> Cinespin application featured in the developers section.
>
> Sorry for my long winded post - I hope it didn't send too many people
> to sleep.
>
> --
> Hayden
>
>
> On 12 Aug 2007, at 03:36, Shawn Simister wrote:
>
> > Hi Kirsten,
> >
> > I agree that a common base would be a good idea even if it just starts
> > off as a very small set of features.
> > So far, in developing a Ruby module for Metaweb, I have been
> > building on
> > the following core concepts:
> >
> > ReadService.read(queries)
> > WriteService.authenticate(host, user, password)
> > WriteService.write(queries)
> >
> > As each layer of abstraction is added, the API becomes more language
> > specific so at some point there will be certain features that Ruby can
> > do but more rigid languages like Java couldn't. Still, I think
> > there is
> > enough overlap to warrant a common knowledge base of source code and
> > best practices for API developers. Each API would be allowed to grow
> > organically while maintain compatibility with Metaweb Core 1.0 (for
> > example).
> >
> > Can anyone from Metaweb comment on if Metaweb would want to get
> > involved
> > in a standard like this?
> >
> > Shawn Simister
> >
> > Kirsten Jones wrote:
> >> All,
> >>
> >> I'm just about ready to start working with Hayden's perl module, and
> >> had some thoughts I wanted to bounce off of the rest of you.
> >>
> >> On the more general topic of modules, I'd really love for the
> >> developer community to come up with a set of guidelines for client
> >> libraries for Metaweb.  Each language's library might well have
> >> additional functionality, but I'd love to define what the 'base
> >> functionality' for each library should be.  Doing this will make it
> >> easier for people to move among the various dynamic languages and
> >> leverage off of other people's work in different languages to seed
> >> their own applications.  It seems like it would also make it easier
> >> to create the client libraries if some essential set of behaviors is
> >> already specified.
> >>
> >> Metaweb is so flexible that I'm afraid if we *don't* come up with
> >> something like this, the modeling in each language may end up being
> >> radically different.
> >>
> >> Since I currently work at a wiki company, I was thinking of creating
> >> a workspace for people who are interested in collaborating on what
> >> these guidelines might be.  But I thought I'd start here and see what
> >> people think - good, bad, indifferent?  There are certainly arguments
> >> to be made for allowing these things to grow organically.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Kirsten
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Developers mailing list
> >> Developers at freebase.com
> >> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Developers mailing list
> > Developers at freebase.com
> > http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> chop($_=<>);@s=split/ /;foreach$m(@s){if($m=='*'){$z=pop at t;$x=
> pop at t;$a=eval"$x$m$z";push at t,$a;}else{push at t,$m;}}print"$a\n";
> # http://occasionallyhuman.net/
> #9202a8c04000641f80000000054c75be
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>



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From ksrinivs at gmail.com  Mon Aug 13 22:00:39 2007
From: ksrinivs at gmail.com (Kavitha Srinivas)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:00:39 -0400
Subject: [Developers] RDF support for read service
Message-ID: <F4C16E8E-C23A-4FD5-8DFA-0213D36A56C8@gmail.com>

Is there any way to get back query results as RDF? Thanks!

From jg at metaweb.com  Mon Aug 13 21:55:24 2007
From: jg at metaweb.com (John Giannandrea)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:55:24 -0700
Subject: [Developers] RDF support for read service
In-Reply-To: <F4C16E8E-C23A-4FD5-8DFA-0213D36A56C8@gmail.com>
References: <F4C16E8E-C23A-4FD5-8DFA-0213D36A56C8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1BB69215-FBA0-450D-9EC4-EF3D74CB6520@metaweb.com>


Not currently, although its a feature we would like to add.
-jg

On Aug 13, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Kavitha Srinivas wrote:

> Is there any way to get back query results as RDF? Thanks!
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers


From niallo at metaweb.com  Mon Aug 13 23:56:19 2007
From: niallo at metaweb.com (Niall O'Higgins)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:56:19 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Weekly sandbox update
Message-ID: <20070813235619.GY7152@digdug.inet>

Hi,

Data refresh and a software update happening on
http://sandbox.freebase.com over the next few minutes.

-- 
Niall O'Higgins
Software Engineer
Metaweb Technologies, Inc.

From niallo at metaweb.com  Tue Aug 14 00:21:19 2007
From: niallo at metaweb.com (Niall O'Higgins)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:21:19 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Weekly sandbox update
In-Reply-To: <20070813235619.GY7152@digdug.inet>
References: <20070813235619.GY7152@digdug.inet>
Message-ID: <20070814002119.GA7152@digdug.inet>

Update complete.

On Mon, Aug 13, 2007 at 04:56:19PM -0700, Niall O'Higgins wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Data refresh and a software update happening on
> http://sandbox.freebase.com over the next few minutes.
> 
> -- 
> Niall O'Higgins
> Software Engineer
> Metaweb Technologies, Inc.
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers

-- 
Niall O'Higgins
Software Engineer
Metaweb Technologies, Inc.

From narphorium at gmail.com  Tue Aug 14 06:09:34 2007
From: narphorium at gmail.com (Shawn Simister)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:09:34 -0400
Subject: [Developers] Metaweb Perl module
In-Reply-To: <F3625A29-1259-4CF6-9D8D-CBC27A3019DF@caffeineconcepts.com>
References: <699EDA74-5BB9-421E-9F80-FF9E6128A603@caffeineconcepts.com>	<2f665fe20707260708o59e8b339r9499b0c5e0056711@mail.gmail.com>	<FC48473D-55D9-48AA-8DE3-BCCF8F604E48@caffeineconcepts.com>
	<A473A63C-0521-402D-8094-C51D863839D2@gmail.com>
	<46BE6432.2070308@gmail.com>
	<F3625A29-1259-4CF6-9D8D-CBC27A3019DF@caffeineconcepts.com>
Message-ID: <46C1471E.4060500@gmail.com>

Hayden,

I'm not sure if procedural languages really pose that much of a problem. 
The Freebase data is object-oriented so it would be hard to /not/ to 
interact with it in an object-oriented way. Most popular languages like 
Ruby, Perl, Python, Lisp, JavaScript and C contain the proper semantic 
for dealing with Objects even if they are not strictly object-oriented 
languages.

I agree that the ability to send multiple queries is very important and 
I currently support them in my API by passing and array of Query objects 
to the ReadService.read() method. Each Query object can be named, 
modified and re-sent as many times as necessary.

Vishal's comment about allowing parameterizable queries is very true. I 
had overlooked that feature in my own design but I'm thinking of adding 
it now (I'm benefiting from this discussion already =). I think that the 
common trend in SQL is to represent query parameters with a ? symbol and 
then get and set their values using an integer index. So, the first ? 
might be $1, and the second ? would be $2 etc.

Handling authentication cleanly could be a tricky feature for API 
developers. Part of the reason why I have broken my design down into a 
ReadService and a WriteService is to allow people to make read queries 
without having to authenticate. At some point I will probably add a 
TransService to round out the feature set. I would suspect that once the 
Metaweb software becomes available there will be some databases that 
will allow anonymous authentication a la Wikipedia so thats definitely 
something to keep in mind.

I like the idea of a /modules/framework type on Freebase. Something 
similar to what the Metaweb guys have done with 
/freebase/metaweb_application.

Shawn Simister

Hayden Stainsby wrote:
> Firstly Perl module stuff (skip if you're not interested in Perl):
> I'm hoping to release my Perl module to CPAN at some point this week, 
> however at this point it's likely to be just Metaweb, not 
> Net::Metaweb, as the guys on the modules mailing list pointed out that 
> Net::* isn't the right place for it and I can't find another namespace 
> that matches what it does. Sorry to Kirsten and anyone else who has 
> started using it - any existing code will have to change to reflect 
> the new namespace, I'll update everyone when it's ready.
>
> Next general Metaweb module stuff:
>
> I agree it would be worthwhile agreeing to some sort of standard set 
> of functionality that would work across languages. The difficulty of 
> course is in creating a set of guidelines that make sense for both 
> procedural and object orientated languages.
>
> I started off looking at a concept similar to Shawn's, but found that 
> it meant giving up MQL's ability to send multiple queries in one 
> envelope. So I'm working on a structure for sending a query that is a 
> little more complex (one method call or so), but I think that even a 
> programmer fairly new to Perl should be able to get it up and running 
> fairly quickly.
>
> In brief Perl-ish syntax:
>
> $handle = Metaweb->new( server / login details here );
> $handle->add_read_query( query here );
> $handle->send_read_envelope;
>
> You then access your queries by name. The important point being that 
> you can send multiple named queries (or a single query using the 
> default name if you don't specify a name) using the same calls.
>
> You then also need a separate method/function to access the trans 
> service to fetch pictures and body text. But that's pretty straight 
> forward, all you need to use there is the translation type and the 
> guid of the object you're fetching.
>
> The last thing that I think is worth mentioning is that we need to 
> incorporate the fact that read queries will be able to be performed 
> without authentication (as far as I can tell) once Freebase reaches 
> beta, and I suppose it's possible that some other Metaweb instance may 
> come along that doesn't require any authentication at all.
>
> I've suggested creating a type for Metaweb libraries / modules / 
> frameworks under the Types -> Freebase section along with a suggested 
> setup in my own namespace, if anyone has any suggestions please let me 
> know.
>
> As far as my module goes I'm planning on adding an further abstraction 
> (possibly even as a separate module) that allows developers to work 
> without using MQL, but view Metaweb as a pure tree-like structure - in 
> a way it will be programatically like the Cinespin application 
> featured in the developers section.
>
> Sorry for my long winded post - I hope it didn't send too many people 
> to sleep.
>
> -- 
> Hayden
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> chop($_=<>);@s=split/ /;foreach$m(@s){if($m=='*'){$z=pop at t;$x=
> pop at t;$a=eval"$x$m$z";push at t,$a;}else{push at t,$m;}}print"$a\n";
> # http://occasionallyhuman.net/
> #9202a8c04000641f80000000054c75be

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From michele.r.berg at gmail.com  Tue Aug 14 14:31:49 2007
From: michele.r.berg at gmail.com (Michele Berg)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:31:49 -0500
Subject: [Developers] Metaweb Perl module
In-Reply-To: <48fc66760708140729x399412f6v90a2a1aea72ff679@mail.gmail.com>
References: <699EDA74-5BB9-421E-9F80-FF9E6128A603@caffeineconcepts.com>
	<2f665fe20707260708o59e8b339r9499b0c5e0056711@mail.gmail.com>
	<FC48473D-55D9-48AA-8DE3-BCCF8F604E48@caffeineconcepts.com>
	<A473A63C-0521-402D-8094-C51D863839D2@gmail.com>
	<48fc66760708140729x399412f6v90a2a1aea72ff679@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48fc66760708140731v16098dc5gf70ac05f70273d44@mail.gmail.com>

> Since I currently work at a wiki company, I was thinking of creating
> a workspace for people who are interested in collaborating on what
> these guidelines might be.



I think a wiki would be a good idea, especially if the content were tied
back to Freebase.  If we do move forward in evolving a standard, it would be
nice to have a central place to keep our thoughts.  Also, as new people join
the discussion, they'd have an easier way to access the discussion's
history, rather than searching email archives.

Michele

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From ninjascience at gmail.com  Tue Aug 14 15:18:07 2007
From: ninjascience at gmail.com (Ryan Miller)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:18:07 -0700
Subject: [Developers] AIR or Flex?
Message-ID: <8037c20b0708140818i47869f08v4c230e37c2fe6a59@mail.gmail.com>

just curious,

is anyone else here working on an AIR or Flex freebase application?

From jason at metaweb.com  Tue Aug 14 16:35:17 2007
From: jason at metaweb.com (Jason Douglas)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:35:17 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Metaweb Perl module
In-Reply-To: <48fc66760708140731v16098dc5gf70ac05f70273d44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <699EDA74-5BB9-421E-9F80-FF9E6128A603@caffeineconcepts.com>
	<2f665fe20707260708o59e8b339r9499b0c5e0056711@mail.gmail.com>
	<FC48473D-55D9-48AA-8DE3-BCCF8F604E48@caffeineconcepts.com>
	<A473A63C-0521-402D-8094-C51D863839D2@gmail.com>
	<48fc66760708140729x399412f6v90a2a1aea72ff679@mail.gmail.com>
	<48fc66760708140731v16098dc5gf70ac05f70273d44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63136864-8F45-4972-A0DA-74F83266C307@metaweb.com>

We'd like to add a "Frameworks" type to the developer section of the  
site for listing these kinds of projects.  Adding a property for  
things like wiki pages, code repositories, etc. would make sense to me.

Hayden started working on a type like this in his own account here:
http://www.freebase.com/view/filter?id=%2Fuser%2Fhds%2Fdefault_domain% 
2Fmetaweb_framework

Do people have other thoughts on it?
- Name: frameworks, modules, toolkits, etc.
- Handling of web links: bucket (Web Links) or broken out (docs,  
code, etc.)
- Other important properties?
- Projects that should be listed
- etc.

I'd actually like to try to set this up within the next few weeks if  
possible.

-jason



On Aug 14, 2007, at 7:31 AM, Michele Berg wrote:

>
> Since I currently work at a wiki company, I was thinking of creating
> a workspace for people who are interested in collaborating on what
> these guidelines might be.
>
>
> I think a wiki would be a good idea, especially if the content were  
> tied back to Freebase.  If we do move forward in evolving a  
> standard, it would be nice to have a central place to keep our  
> thoughts.  Also, as new people join the discussion, they'd have an  
> easier way to access the discussion's history, rather than  
> searching email archives.
>
> Michele
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers

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From jason at metaweb.com  Tue Aug 14 16:35:34 2007
From: jason at metaweb.com (Jason Douglas)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:35:34 -0700
Subject: [Developers] Metaweb Perl module
In-Reply-To: <46BE6432.2070308@gmail.com>
References: <699EDA74-5BB9-421E-9F80-FF9E6128A603@caffeineconcepts.com>	<2f665fe20707260708o59e8b339r9499b0c5e0056711@mail.gmail.com>	<FC48473D-55D9-48AA-8DE3-BCCF8F604E48@caffeineconcepts.com>
	<A473A63C-0521-402D-8094-C51D863839D2@gmail.com>
	<46BE6432.2070308@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E4A2F6C-BE0A-4A00-BC7D-26286799ED38@metaweb.com>

I think it makes sense for these to evolve according to your needs  
rather than our view of the world.

That said, I'd love to help out in whatever way we can (perhaps  
promoting these standards as they settle?).  I'm personally not  
enough of a programmer to help develop a standard like this, but if  
you have specific questions for Metaweb folks, I'd be more than happy  
to try to find answers for you.

-jason

On Aug 11, 2007, at 6:36 PM, Shawn Simister wrote:

> Can anyone from Metaweb comment on if Metaweb would want to get  
> involved
> in a standard like this?

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From fire at kidbombay.com  Tue Aug 14 17:20:19 2007
From: fire at kidbombay.com (Ketan Anjaria)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:20:19 -0700
Subject: [Developers] AIR or Flex?
In-Reply-To: <8037c20b0708140818i47869f08v4c230e37c2fe6a59@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8037c20b0708140818i47869f08v4c230e37c2fe6a59@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EBEF75F0-7C8B-4962-A2C5-B7CA2DF43F73@kidbombay.com>

All the FreeBase apps I have made are in AS 3 so using some of the  
base classes would be easy enough.

Ketan Anjaria
fire at kidbombay.com
www.kidbombay.com
415.260.8742
f. 415.358.4278

On Aug 14, 2007, at 8:18 AM, Ryan Miller wrote:

> just curious,
>
> is anyone else here working on an AIR or Flex freebase application?
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers

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From kurt at metaweb.com  Tue Aug 14 19:04:50 2007
From: kurt at metaweb.com (Kurt Bollacker)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:04:50 +0000
Subject: [Developers] Metaweb Perl module
In-Reply-To: <F3625A29-1259-4CF6-9D8D-CBC27A3019DF@caffeineconcepts.com>
References: <699EDA74-5BB9-421E-9F80-FF9E6128A603@caffeineconcepts.com>
	<2f665fe20707260708o59e8b339r9499b0c5e0056711@mail.gmail.com>
	<FC48473D-55D9-48AA-8DE3-BCCF8F604E48@caffeineconcepts.com>
	<A473A63C-0521-402D-8094-C51D863839D2@gmail.com>
	<46BE6432.2070308@gmail.com>
	<F3625A29-1259-4CF6-9D8D-CBC27A3019DF@caffeineconcepts.com>
Message-ID: <20070814190449.GB32188@metaweb.com>

On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 01:32:41PM +0200, Hayden Stainsby wrote:
> I started off looking at a concept similar to Shawn's, but found that  
> it meant giving up MQL's ability to send multiple queries in one  
> envelope. So I'm working on a structure for sending a query that is a  
> little more complex (one method call or so), but I think that even a  
> programmer fairly new to Perl should be able to get it up and running  
> fairly quickly.
> 
> In brief Perl-ish syntax:
> 
> $handle = Metaweb->new( server / login details here );
> $handle->add_read_query( query here );
> $handle->send_read_envelope;
> 
> You then access your queries by name. The important point being that  
> you can send multiple named queries (or a single query using the  
> default name if you don't specify a name) using the same calls.
> 
> You then also need a separate method/function to access the trans  
> service to fetch pictures and body text. But that's pretty straight  
> forward, all you need to use there is the translation type and the  
> guid of the object you're fetching.

An Metaweb API feature I found very helpful was to abstract away
cursors.  For example, in this python code:

######################################################################
# Forgive me if there are bugs
######################################################################
def read_gen(env,pagesize=100,maxhits=None):
    ''' Use a python generator to abstract away the use
        of cursors in MQL.
             env: Is a valid MQL query envelope.
        pagesize: Chunk size for the cursor.  Probably can be left alone.
         maxhits: Maximum hits desired.  Optional.
    '''     
    # Let's use cursors
    env['cursor']=True
    count=0
    while count<maxhits or maxhits==None:
        if maxhits:
            # Make sure we don't ask for more than maxhits
            maxpagehits=min(pagesize,maxhits-count)
        else:
            maxpagehits=pagesize
        # Set the page size in the query itself
        env['query']['limit']=maxpagehits
        r=self.read(env)
        # Get the cursor for the next page
        env['cursor']=r['cursor']
        if len(r['result'])==0:
            # We've run out of hits
            break
        for i in r['result']:
            # Next iteration for our generator
            yield i
        count+=len(r['result'])


env={"query":{"id":None,"name":[]}}

for hit in read_gen(env,maxhits=50000):
    print hit
######################################################################

When a query envelope is passed to read_gen, an iterator is returned.
In the test usage here, one can iterate to get the names of 50K
topics.  Notice how the query author did not need to specify "limit"
or know anything about cursors-- especially helpful to new users.  I'd
encourage anyone writing a Perl, Ruby, or any other language API for
Freebase to add this feature.

								Kurt :-)



From ninjascience at gmail.com  Tue Aug 14 19:30:24 2007
From: ninjascience at gmail.com (Ryan Miller)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:30:24 -0700
Subject: [Developers] AIR or Flex?
In-Reply-To: <EBEF75F0-7C8B-4962-A2C5-B7CA2DF43F73@kidbombay.com>
References: <8037c20b0708140818i47869f08v4c230e37c2fe6a59@mail.gmail.com>
	<EBEF75F0-7C8B-4962-A2C5-B7CA2DF43F73@kidbombay.com>
Message-ID: <8037c20b0708141230t1834db99s2ad3ef3992b92c32@mail.gmail.com>

cool!  I'll definitely post whatever re-usable bits I come up with.
It's nice to know I won't be breaking completely new ground.

On 8/14/07, Ketan Anjaria <fire at kidbombay.com> wrote:
> All the FreeBase apps I have made are in AS 3 so using some of the base
> classes would be easy enough.
>
>
> Ketan Anjaria
> fire at kidbombay.com
> www.kidbombay.com
> 415.260.8742f. 415.358.4278
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2007, at 8:18 AM, Ryan Miller wrote:
>
> just curious,
>
> is anyone else here working on an AIR or Flex freebase application?
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>
>

From hds at caffeineconcepts.com  Wed Aug 15 20:14:15 2007
From: hds at caffeineconcepts.com (Hayden Stainsby)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:14:15 +0200
Subject: [Developers] Metaweb Framework (renamed)
In-Reply-To: <63136864-8F45-4972-A0DA-74F83266C307@metaweb.com>
References: <699EDA74-5BB9-421E-9F80-FF9E6128A603@caffeineconcepts.com>
	<2f665fe20707260708o59e8b339r9499b0c5e0056711@mail.gmail.com>
	<FC48473D-55D9-48AA-8DE3-BCCF8F604E48@caffeineconcepts.com>
	<A473A63C-0521-402D-8094-C51D863839D2@gmail.com>
	<48fc66760708140729x399412f6v90a2a1aea72ff679@mail.gmail.com>
	<48fc66760708140731v16098dc5gf70ac05f70273d44@mail.gmail.com>
	<63136864-8F45-4972-A0DA-74F83266C307@metaweb.com>
Message-ID: <AB272AFA-837C-4528-BBB5-093AC148BE08@caffeineconcepts.com>

I think I'm siding more with Jason with regards to having at least  
some properties for specific URLs (probably code repository,  
documentation and similar), but I think this would probably be best  
served by a separate type. As the same properties could be used for  
many other software projects.

Having said that, not all software has code repositories, wiki pages  
etc. So perhaps a type, 'collaborative software' could be used, this  
could then apply be applied to metaweb software/frameworks as well as  
other software - one of the main differences being that a something  
of type metaweb software will have more centralised information on  
freebase - and will most likely be developed by a freebase user (or  
users).

Of course any thoughts, suggestions etc. is most welcome.

On another subject, was it intentional that someone posted to Free  
Developers <developers at freebase.com> or was it a cute mistake. I  
check my backlog and it happened before I ever posted to the list. (-:

--
Hayden

On 14 Aug 2007, at 18:35, Jason Douglas wrote:

> We'd like to add a "Frameworks" type to the developer section of  
> the site for listing these kinds of projects.  Adding a property  
> for things like wiki pages, code repositories, etc. would make  
> sense to me.
>
> Hayden started working on a type like this in his own account here:
> http://www.freebase.com/view/filter?id=%2Fuser%2Fhds% 
> 2Fdefault_domain%2Fmetaweb_framework
>
> Do people have other thoughts on it?
> - Name: frameworks, modules, toolkits, etc.
> - Handling of web links: bucket (Web Links) or broken out (docs,  
> code, etc.)
> - Other important properties?
> - Projects that should be listed
> - etc.
>
> I'd actually like to try to set this up within the next few weeks  
> if possible.
>
> -jason
>
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2007, at 7:31 AM, Michele Berg wrote:
>
>>
>> Since I currently work at a wiki company, I was thinking of creating
>> a workspace for people who are interested in collaborating on what
>> these guidelines might be.
>>
>>
>> I think a wiki would be a good idea, especially if the content  
>> were tied back to Freebase.  If we do move forward in evolving a  
>> standard, it would be nice to have a central place to keep our  
>> thoughts.  Also, as new people join the discussion, they'd have an  
>> easier way to access the discussion's history, rather than  
>> searching email archives.
>>
>> Michele
>> _______________________________________________
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#!/usr/bin/perl
chop($_=<>);@s=split/ /;foreach$m(@s){if($m=='*'){$z=pop at t;$x=
pop at t;$a=eval"$x$m$z";push at t,$a;}else{push at t,$m;}}print"$a\n";



From szaijan at gmail.com  Thu Aug 16 00:15:12 2007
From: szaijan at gmail.com (Michael Jones)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:15:12 -0700
Subject: [Developers] MQL Write Query Error
Message-ID: <cbf942d90708151715v5b9a2e70n8c2089448331c944@mail.gmail.com>

Does anybody have some insight as to what the error message in the
following query response refers to?  I have left the entire query
response intact for completeness.  The actual error is inside the
"type" insertion statement near the bottom.  I'm not sure why a
"dictionary or a list with one element" would be expected.  My
assumption at this point is that the JSON serializer is quoting the
strings inappropriately, as this looks just like a Query Builder query
that works fine.

Thanks for any assistance.

/api/status/error/mql/parse: Expected a dictionary or a list with one
element here
Query:{
  messages => [
    {
      info => {},
      query:{
        /user/szaijan/fantasy_football/player/nfl_team => {
          name => San Francisco 49ers,
          type => /american_football/football_team,
          connect => update
        },
        /user/szaijan/fantasy_football/player/name => San Francisco 49ers,
        /user/szaijan/fantasy_football/player/projection => {
          /user/szaijan/fantasy_football/statline/sacks => {
            value => 34,
            connect => update
          },
          create => unless_exists,
          types => [
            {
              id => /user/szaijan/fantasy_football/projection,
              type => /type/type,
              connect => insert
            },
            {
              id => /user/szaijan/fantasy_football/statline,
              type => /type/type,
              connect => insert
            }
          ],
          /user/szaijan/fantasy_football/statline/fumble_recoveries => {
            value => 12,
            connect => update
          },
          name => 2007 San Francisco 49ers,
          /user/szaijan/fantasy_football/statline/defensive_tds => {
            value => 2,
            connect => update
          },
          /user/szaijan/fantasy_football/projection/season => {
            name => 2007,
            type => /user/szaijan/fantasy_football/season,
            connect => update
          },
          /user/szaijan/fantasy_football/statline/intercepted => {
            value => 17,
            connect => update
          },
          /user/szaijan/fantasy_football/statline/return_tds => {
            value => 0,
            connect => update
          }
        },
        id => #9202a8c04000641f8000000000035e9d,
        /user/szaijan/fantasy_football/player/position => {
          name => Defensive Unit,
          type => /user/szaijan/fantasy_football/position,
          connect => update
        },
        type => [
          {
            id => /user/szaijan/fantasy_football/player,
            type => /type/type,
            error_inside => .,
            connect => insert
          },
          {
            id => /american_football/football_team,
            type => /type/type,
            connect => insert
          },
          {
            id => topic,
            type => /type/type,
            connect => insert
          }
        ]
      },
      path => type,
      code => /api/status/error/mql/parse,
      message => Expected a dictionary or a list with one element here
    }
  ],
  code => /api/status/error
}
____________________________________________________________________

 Michael Jones, Gamer at Large
szaijan at ternea.com
____________________________________________________________________

From daepark at metaweb.com  Thu Aug 16 01:09:52 2007
From: daepark at metaweb.com (Dae Park)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:09:52 -0700
Subject: [Developers] MQL Write Query Error
In-Reply-To: <cbf942d90708151715v5b9a2e70n8c2089448331c944@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cbf942d90708151715v5b9a2e70n8c2089448331c944@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B123CA3F-04A3-46C6-BA5D-99F828A330EA@metaweb.com>

Still trying to see what's wrong, but in the meantime, there's  
another problem with your query:

>           {
>             id => topic,
>             type => /type/type,
>             connect => insert
>           }

should be

{
   id => /common/topic
   type => /type/type
   connect => insert
}


-dae


From daepark at metaweb.com  Thu Aug 16 01:36:09 2007
From: daepark at metaweb.com (Dae Park)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:36:09 -0700
Subject: [Developers] MQL Write Query Error
In-Reply-To: <cbf942d90708151715v5b9a2e70n8c2089448331c944@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cbf942d90708151715v5b9a2e70n8c2089448331c944@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7D04D288-6137-4AB7-852D-C01ACD2F3580@metaweb.com>


Another problem:

On Aug 15, 2007, at 5:15 PM, Michael Jones wrote:

>         /user/szaijan/fantasy_football/player/projection => {
>           /user/szaijan/fantasy_football/statline/sacks => {
>             value => 34,
>             connect => update
>           },
>           create => unless_exists,
>           types => [
>             {
>               id => /user/szaijan/fantasy_football/projection,
>               type => /type/type,
>               connect => insert
>             },
>             {
>               id => /user/szaijan/fantasy_football/statline,
>               type => /type/type,
>               connect => insert
>             }
>           ],


"types => ..." should be "type => ..."

btw, do you have the actual JSON result?

From daepark at metaweb.com  Thu Aug 16 01:44:52 2007
From: daepark at metaweb.com (Dae Park)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:44:52 -0700
Subject: [Developers] MQL Write Query Error
In-Reply-To: <cbf942d90708151715v5b9a2e70n8c2089448331c944@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cbf942d90708151715v5b9a2e70n8c2089448331c944@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7568CF62-D5A9-4C5D-AFA5-7664B34BA902@metaweb.com>


On Aug 15, 2007, at 5:15 PM, Michael Jones wrote:

>         /user/szaijan/fantasy_football/player/name => San Francisco  
> 49ers,


Do you mean

/type/object/name => San Francisco 49ers

or simply

name => San Francisco 49ers

-dae

From will at hamstersoup.com  Fri Aug 17 15:31:44 2007
From: will at hamstersoup.com (Will Moffat)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:31:44 +0200
Subject: [Developers] GUIDs considered harmful
Message-ID: <2f665fe20708170831v66975549j4756c62b9307bb4f@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Metaweb developers,

I wrote a bookmarklet for injecting Freebase content into other websites.
You can see its output on this Gaia-Online forum:
http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31225865

Unfortunately the links back to Freebase.com topics are broken. Gaia
uses a redirect script that barfs on both '#' and the escaped form
'%23'

Could Freebase.com provide another entry point? Something like
freebase.com/view/8411f1
would be so much better than
freebase.com/view/?id=%239202a8c04000641f80000000008411f1

Of course, this would be less of an issue if we had human-readable
IDs. Is this happening sometime soon? All the GUID stuff makes me feel
like I'm editing a Windows Registry . Takes the fun out of Freebasing
;-)

regards,
--Will

From ninjascience at gmail.com  Fri Aug 17 15:36:27 2007
From: ninjascience at gmail.com (Ryan Miller)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:36:27 -0700
Subject: [Developers] GUIDs considered harmful
In-Reply-To: <2f665fe20708170831v66975549j4756c62b9307bb4f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f665fe20708170831v66975549j4756c62b9307bb4f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8037c20b0708170836o522009e7u7499e1c234e383a8@mail.gmail.com>

i second that, especially regarding the #/%23 issue, it adds an annoyance
layer to both the JavaScript and
ColdFusion freebase apps I've worked on.

On 8/17/07, Will Moffat <will at hamstersoup.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Metaweb developers,
>
> I wrote a bookmarklet for injecting Freebase content into other websites.
> You can see its output on this Gaia-Online forum:
> http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31225865
>
> Unfortunately the links back to Freebase.com topics are broken. Gaia
> uses a redirect script that barfs on both '#' and the escaped form
> '%23'
>
> Could Freebase.com provide another entry point? Something like
> freebase.com/view/8411f1
> would be so much better than
> freebase.com/view/?id=%239202a8c04000641f80000000008411f1
>
> Of course, this would be less of an issue if we had human-readable
> IDs. Is this happening sometime soon? All the GUID stuff makes me feel
> like I'm editing a Windows Registry . Takes the fun out of Freebasing
> ;-)
>
> regards,
> --Will
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers
>
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From kurt at metaweb.com  Fri Aug 17 16:39:10 2007
From: kurt at metaweb.com (Kurt Bollacker)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:39:10 +0000
Subject: [Developers] GUIDs considered harmful
In-Reply-To: <2f665fe20708170831v66975549j4756c62b9307bb4f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f665fe20708170831v66975549j4756c62b9307bb4f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070817163910.GF13770@metaweb.com>

On Fri, Aug 17, 2007 at 05:31:44PM +0200, Will Moffat wrote:
> Dear Metaweb developers,
> 
> I wrote a bookmarklet for injecting Freebase content into other websites.
> You can see its output on this Gaia-Online forum:
> http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31225865

Cool!
 
> Unfortunately the links back to Freebase.com topics are broken. Gaia
> uses a redirect script that barfs on both '#' and the escaped form
> '%23'

I've verified with my "personal Gaia-Online tech support person" that
gaia does strip these purposefully for security reasons.  He believes
that myspace, facebook, and most other popular social net sites
operate similarly.
 
> Could Freebase.com provide another entry point? Something like
> freebase.com/view/8411f1
> would be so much better than
> freebase.com/view/?id=%239202a8c04000641f80000000008411f1
> 
> Of course, this would be less of an issue if we had human-readable
> IDs. Is this happening sometime soon? All the GUID stuff makes me feel
> like I'm editing a Windows Registry . Takes the fun out of Freebasing

For many topics, these already exist, but one cannot count on them
existing. e.g.

http://www.freebase.com/view/topic/en/star_trek

Unfortunately, "Friday's Child" is not one the topics with a human
readable ID.

> ;-)
> 
> regards,
> --Will
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
> Developers at freebase.com
> http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/developers

From alecf at metaweb.com  Fri Aug 17 16:49:52 2007
From: alecf at metaweb.com (Alec Flett)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:49:52 -0700
Subject: [Developers] GUIDs considered harmful
In-Reply-To: <2f665fe20708170831v66975549j4756c62b9307bb4f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f665fe20708170831v66975549j4756c62b9307bb4f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46C5D1B0.901@metaweb.com>

We're working on a couple different approaches to solving the problem:

1) The old ?id= syntax is still supported - and it is perfectly legal 
(and probably more common) to have escaped characters in the 
CGI-parameter section of the URL. If forums are barfing on either form 
(?id or not) then their URL parsing is busted, but it's probably less 
likely to bust with the "?id=" syntax, even if it is uglier.

2) There is a new '/topic/en' namespace - this is a managed namespace 
(currently managed by one or two Metaweb staffers) seeded initially from 
wikipedia. There are roughly 1 million keys in there, and we expect to 
add more soon. Jamie finished the bulk of the seed a few days ago.

This means that The Simpsons, in addition to being 
'#9202a8c04000641f800000000003ace2' can also be referred to as 
/topic/en/the_simpsons, as in
http://www.freebase.com/view/topic/en/the_simpsons

3) In the next 7 days or so, we'll be deploying a new version of the 
software where the "view/" url automatically looks stuff up in 
/topic/en, so The Simpsons will soon be available at:
http://www.freebase.com/view/the_simpsons

As a part of this update, MQL will also start trying to resolve all 
guids into /topic/en when returning. MQL requests themselves are going 
to start returning "/topic/en/the_simpsons" in the JSON result, rather 
than "#9202a8c04000641f800000000003ace2"

Note that other urls, like /view/filter, will still require a full path, 
as in /view/filter/topic/en/the_simpsons

4) All of that said, this solves the general problem for topics that 
exist in the managed namespace /topic/en, but what about the others? I 
am a big fan of removing %23, but we have simply been more focused on 
the stuff in /topi