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color=#0000ff size=2>Sorry! Let me try again. The noun "dog" has
seven different senses in WordNet. (Note that this really is one word, and not
seven different words). These senses in WordNet are linked
as synonyms, not directly to other words, but to specific senses of
other words. To give an example, Dog is not a synonym of Heel, but Dog4
(someone who is morally reprehensible) is a synonym of Heel3. My question is how
one would represent this structure in Freebase.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> data-modeling-bounces@freebase.com
[mailto:data-modeling-bounces@freebase.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Arthur van
Hoff<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:17 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Freebase
data modeling mailing list<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Data-modeling] English
Words<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Sorry, but you already lost me. I am neither a native English
speaker, nor a linguist. Examples would help.<BR><BR>We use the wordnet data
to find the stems of words with synonyms, and descriptions. <BR>Then we use an
English lexicons and Wiktionary to find derivations and additional
stems.<BR>It is not perfect, but it is a start.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Jeff Prucher <SPAN
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>One of
the things that's prevented anyone from tackling this yet is the issue of
polysemy. WordNet handles this by having separate entities for each sense,
which might be very cumbersome in Freebase. Each sense could be a CVT,
but if you're linking synonyms, you have to be linking two CVTs (that is, a
sense of a word is only synonymous with a sense of another word), which
is not easily done in the client (although it can be done via MQL).
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Talking
of senses opens another issue -- whose breakdown do you use? Different
dictionaries break down senses differently (lumping vs. splitting is an
age-old issue in lexicography). Would there be a need to represent sense
breakdowns by multiple authorities?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A
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</B>Arthur van Hoff<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 06, 2009 1:30
PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:data-modeling@freebase.com"
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[Data-modeling] English Words<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>Hi,<BR><BR>Has anyone thought about loading English (and other
language) words into Freebase?<BR>We are currently using WordNet and
Wiktionary data, but it would be really convenient if this was available
Freebase.<BR>For each word we need the language, POS (noun, verb, adverb,
adjective), synonyms, sample usage, translations, etc.<BR><BR>Thanks.<BR
clear=all><BR>-- <BR>Arthur van Hoff<BR><A
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