<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>On 04/03/2009, at 10:59 PM, Ed Laurent wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">I revised the model because the one I described below wasn't working the way I thought it would . Unfortunately, all my changes are giving Freebase hiccups. I've duplicated the model on sandbox and it's working like I think it should (except for the pesky resorting of name order). I also used "Given Name" and "Family Name" in the model. Here are some links:<br> <br><a href="http://sandbox.freebase.com/type/schema/base/litcentral/person_name_format">http://sandbox.freebase.com/type/schema/base/litcentral/person_name_format</a><br><br><a href="http://sandbox.freebase.com/type/schema/base/litcentral/person_full_name">http://sandbox.freebase.com/type/schema/base/litcentral/person_full_name</a><br></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>OK, having looked at your schema:</div><div><br></div><div>1) do you need that CVT to be time mediated? If not, how do you handle name changes, maiden names, etc?</div><div><br></div><div>2) I'd like to hear some input from people familiar with non-Western cultures, as I suspect we're missing some very interesting things about naming cultures elsewhere. I forget which culture it was I heard of, not too long ago, where people essentially had two names: one which their close relatives called them, and one used by people less closely connected. Might have been Australian aboriginal. Now obviously we wouldn't record this in Freebase as we generally wouldn't know their private name, but it does raise the question of cultures that don't break names along the family/given lines, but along some other line.</div><div><br></div><div>3) Even within Western cultures we get wackiness like the way popes choose a pope-name(?) when they take the position. What is Pope Benedict XVI's family name? Surely he's not Benedict Ratzinger. When sorting, you'd expect to find him under B. The same occurs with nuns who take saint names when they take orders. What's Mother Theresa's family name? And then there's James Smith, Lord Something. His family name might be "Smith" but since acceding to the title of Lord Something, he's never referred to by it.</div><div><br></div>In conclusion: I'm confused, the subject is confusing, it's bedtime. More tomorrow no doubt. Goodnight.<div><br></div><div>K.</div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>-- </div><div>Kirrily Robert</div><div>Freebase Community Director</div><div><a href="mailto:kirrily@metaweb.com">kirrily@metaweb.com</a></div><div><br></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></div></body></html>