Nope, I actually want to store quotes from published sources. I've talked with several editors who saw no legal issues with quoting a couple sentences (let me know if this is not the case and I'll stop). I want to do this because the quote gives more context to a bibliographic reference than the citation. It is also useful when a publication does not have an abstract.<br>
<br>-Ed<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Tim Kientzle <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tim@metaweb.com">tim@metaweb.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Ed,<br>
<br>
Sounds like what you're looking for might be better described as a<br>
"citation"<br>
or a "bibliographic reference." Agree that there's overlap between<br>
that and<br>
the informal use of the term "quotation," but given the different<br>
usages, it<br>
may make sense to distinguish them.<br>
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Tim Kientzle<br>
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On Dec 3, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Ed Laurent wrote:<br>
<br>
> Um, I'm interpreting your responses as that I should create my own<br>
> quotation type. Most of the sources I want to quote (e.g., journal<br>
> articles, technical reports) are only published once.<br>
><br>
> I agree that page number isn't appropriate for the cases you suggest<br>
> but it is for mine and I try to use common types whenever possible.<br>
> There have been other situations where I've argued the other side of<br>
> properties needing to apply to all instances of types so this<br>
> conversation has taken a somewhat amusing turn.<br>
><br>
> For now I guess I'll just model my own quotation type and try to<br>
> keep it similar to the common one in case there are suggestions for<br>
> merging them later.<br>
><br>
> Thanks!<br>
> -Ed<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Jeff Prucher <<a href="mailto:jeff@metaweb.com">jeff@metaweb.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I agree -- page number isn't really applicable here. Technically,<br>
> since we<br>
> do have distinct types for book editions, it would be possible to<br>
> link the<br>
> source to a book edition, rather than to a book, but this seems like<br>
> a bad<br>
> idea. For one, it would be very hard to simply find all the quotes<br>
> from a<br>
> single book, since they might be spread across multiple editions.<br>
> But for<br>
> non-book works (plays, poems, essays, articles, etc.), a page number<br>
> would<br>
> be completely meaningless, since we do not have first-class topics<br>
> for every<br>
> appearance of these types of works.<br>
><br>
> The reason we used "author" as the name of the property is because<br>
> we're<br>
> looking for the person who authored what was said (whether it was<br>
> written or<br>
> spoken impromptu), rather than the person who said it. Although, it<br>
> must be<br>
> said, this is still a problem with movie and TV quotes, so maybe it<br>
> doesn't<br>
> really make a difference in that regard.<br>
><br>
> Jeff<br>
><br>
> > -----Original Message-----<br>
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> > [mailto:<a href="mailto:data-modeling-bounces@freebase.com">data-modeling-bounces@freebase.com</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
> > Kirrily Robert<br>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:54 PM<br>
> > To: Freebase data modeling mailing list<br>
> > Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Add page number(s) to "Quotation"<br>
> ><br>
> > Wouldn't page number be dependent on edition? On what page<br>
> > does Alice's "Curiouser and curiouser!" appear, for example?<br>
> ><br>
> > K.<br>
> ><br>
> > On Dec 3, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Ed Laurent wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > > I'm thinking of using the "Quotation" type to store quotes from<br>
> > > published works but need a page number property because<br>
> > page numbers<br>
> > > are often required when citing quotations. It appears that the<br>
> page<br>
> > > number of the quote would need to be added as a<br>
> > disabiguator so that<br>
> > > this data can be entered when the "Quotation" type is linked as a<br>
> > > property of another type. Does this seem reasonable?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I also see that "Author" (linked to "Quotations" property of<br>
> > > "Person") is a property of "Quotation", and I'm assuming<br>
> > that is for<br>
> > > instances when the quotation is not from a published source.<br>
> > > Otherwise, it is adding denormalization. If this is the<br>
> > case, wouldn't<br>
> > > another name be more appropriate than "Author" (e.g.,<br>
> > "Quoted person")<br>
> > > to distinguish it from "Author" of quoted publications?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > -Ed _______________________________________________<br>
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