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color=#0000ff size=2>You could create your own type, but delegate the relevant
properties in from the quotation commons type. This would feed your quotes
into the quotations commons, but allow you to add properties specific to your
needs.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Jeff</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> data-modeling-bounces@freebase.com
[mailto:data-modeling-bounces@freebase.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ed
Laurent<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:19 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
Freebase data modeling mailing list<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Data-modeling] Add
page number(s) to "Quotation"<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Nope, I actually want to store quotes from published sources. I've
talked with several editors who saw no legal issues with quoting a couple
sentences (let me know if this is not the case and I'll stop). I want to do
this because the quote gives more context to a bibliographic reference than
the citation. It is also useful when a publication does not have an
abstract.<BR><BR>-Ed<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Tim Kientzle <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:tim@metaweb.com">tim@metaweb.com</A>></SPAN>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Ed,<BR><BR>Sounds
like what you're looking for might be better described as
a<BR>"citation"<BR>or a "bibliographic reference." Agree that there's
overlap between<BR>that and<BR>the informal use of the term "quotation," but
given the different<BR>usages, it<BR>may make sense to distinguish
them.<BR><FONT color=#888888><BR>Tim Kientzle<BR></FONT>
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<DIV class=Wj3C7c><BR>On Dec 3, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Ed Laurent
wrote:<BR><BR>> Um, I'm interpreting your responses as that I should
create my own<BR>> quotation type. Most of the sources I want to quote
(e.g., journal<BR>> articles, technical reports) are only published
once.<BR>><BR>> I agree that page number isn't appropriate for the
cases you suggest<BR>> but it is for mine and I try to use common types
whenever possible.<BR>> There have been other situations where I've
argued the other side of<BR>> properties needing to apply to all
instances of types so this<BR>> conversation has taken a somewhat amusing
turn.<BR>><BR>> For now I guess I'll just model my own quotation type
and try to<BR>> keep it similar to the common one in case there are
suggestions for<BR>> merging them later.<BR>><BR>> Thanks!<BR>>
-Ed<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Jeff Prucher
<<A href="mailto:jeff@metaweb.com">jeff@metaweb.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>> I agree -- page number isn't really applicable here.
Technically,<BR>> since we<BR>> do have distinct types for book
editions, it would be possible to<BR>> link the<BR>> source to a book
edition, rather than to a book, but this seems like<BR>> a bad<BR>>
idea. For one, it would be very hard to simply find all the quotes<BR>>
from a<BR>> single book, since they might be spread across multiple
editions.<BR>> But for<BR>> non-book works (plays, poems, essays,
articles, etc.), a page number<BR>> would<BR>> be completely
meaningless, since we do not have first-class topics<BR>> for
every<BR>> appearance of these types of works.<BR>><BR>> The reason
we used "author" as the name of the property is because<BR>>
we're<BR>> looking for the person who authored what was said (whether it
was<BR>> written or<BR>> spoken impromptu), rather than the person who
said it. Although, it<BR>> must be<BR>> said, this is still a
problem with movie and TV quotes, so maybe it<BR>> doesn't<BR>> really
make a difference in that regard.<BR>><BR>> Jeff<BR>><BR>> >
-----Original Message-----<BR>> > From: <A
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> [mailto:<A
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On Behalf Of<BR>> > Kirrily Robert<BR>> > Sent: Wednesday,
December 03, 2008 1:54 PM<BR>> > To: Freebase data modeling mailing
list<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Add page number(s) to
"Quotation"<BR>> ><BR>> > Wouldn't page number be dependent on
edition? On what page<BR>> > does Alice's "Curiouser and
curiouser!" appear, for example?<BR>> ><BR>> > K.<BR>>
><BR>> > On Dec 3, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Ed Laurent wrote:<BR>>
><BR>> > > I'm thinking of using the "Quotation" type to store
quotes from<BR>> > > published works but need a page number
property because<BR>> > page numbers<BR>> > > are often
required when citing quotations. It appears that the<BR>> page<BR>>
> > number of the quote would need to be added as a<BR>> >
disabiguator so that<BR>> > > this data can be entered when the
"Quotation" type is linked as a<BR>> > > property of another type.
Does this seem reasonable?<BR>> > ><BR>> > > I also see
that "Author" (linked to "Quotations" property of<BR>> > >
"Person") is a property of "Quotation", and I'm assuming<BR>> > that
is for<BR>> > > instances when the quotation is not from a
published source.<BR>> > > Otherwise, it is adding denormalization.
If this is the<BR>> > case, wouldn't<BR>> > > another name be
more appropriate than "Author" (e.g.,<BR>> > "Quoted person")<BR>>
> > to distinguish it from "Author" of quoted publications?<BR>>
> ><BR>> > > -Ed
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