Um, I'm interpreting your responses as that I should create my own quotation type. Most of the sources I want to quote (e.g., journal articles, technical reports) are only published once. <br><br>I agree that page number isn't appropriate for the cases you suggest but it is for mine and I try to use common types whenever possible. There have been other situations where I've argued the other side of properties needing to apply to all instances of types so this conversation has taken a somewhat amusing turn. <br>
<br>For now I guess I'll just model my own quotation type and try to keep it similar to the common one in case there are suggestions for merging them later.<br><br>Thanks!<br>-Ed<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Jeff Prucher <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeff@metaweb.com">jeff@metaweb.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I agree -- page number isn't really applicable here. Technically, since we<br>
do have distinct types for book editions, it would be possible to link the<br>
source to a book edition, rather than to a book, but this seems like a bad<br>
idea. For one, it would be very hard to simply find all the quotes from a<br>
single book, since they might be spread across multiple editions. But for<br>
non-book works (plays, poems, essays, articles, etc.), a page number would<br>
be completely meaningless, since we do not have first-class topics for every<br>
appearance of these types of works.<br>
<br>
The reason we used "author" as the name of the property is because we're<br>
looking for the person who authored what was said (whether it was written or<br>
spoken impromptu), rather than the person who said it. Although, it must be<br>
said, this is still a problem with movie and TV quotes, so maybe it doesn't<br>
really make a difference in that regard.<br>
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Jeff<br>
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> Wouldn't page number be dependent on edition? On what page<br>
> does Alice's "Curiouser and curiouser!" appear, for example?<br>
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> K.<br>
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> On Dec 3, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Ed Laurent wrote:<br>
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> > I'm thinking of using the "Quotation" type to store quotes from<br>
> > published works but need a page number property because<br>
> page numbers<br>
> > are often required when citing quotations. It appears that the page<br>
> > number of the quote would need to be added as a<br>
> disabiguator so that<br>
> > this data can be entered when the "Quotation" type is linked as a<br>
> > property of another type. Does this seem reasonable?<br>
> ><br>
> > I also see that "Author" (linked to "Quotations" property of<br>
> > "Person") is a property of "Quotation", and I'm assuming<br>
> that is for<br>
> > instances when the quotation is not from a published source.<br>
> > Otherwise, it is adding denormalization. If this is the<br>
> case, wouldn't<br>
> > another name be more appropriate than "Author" (e.g.,<br>
> "Quoted person")<br>
> > to distinguish it from "Author" of quoted publications?<br>
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