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color=#0000ff size=2>I'll count this as one vote for keep the type as a bucket,
but move the properties elsewhere (which is my inclination, too). If I
hear nothing else about beverages, I'll start moving the properties around (or
killing them outright). I'm going to skip "liquid" for now -- there's been
some discussion about materials science stuff, and I think that general liquids
might have more to do with that. Plus whatever properties liquids have is going
to vary at different level than we're talking about for beverages -- i.e.,
different whiskies will have different specific gravities and
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> data-modeling-bounces@freebase.com
[mailto:data-modeling-bounces@freebase.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ed
Laurent<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 09, 2008 4:16 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Freebase
data modeling mailing list<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Data-modeling] Tweaks to
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<DIV></DIV>Cheese and crackers that's a good question!!<BR><BR>No properties
come to mind besides those that refer to texture, color and taste but I'm not
sure how those should be modeled. Beverage should probably be co-typed with a
generic Liquid type if you don't mind that kind of overkill.
<BR><BR>-Ed<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Jeff Prucher <<A
href="mailto:jeff@metaweb.com">jeff@metaweb.com</A>> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Do you
think that "beverage" should have any properties at all, or should it just
be a bucket to stick classes of things you can drink (e.g., whiskey, milk,
water, fruit juice)?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>PS --
Mmmm. Whiskey cheese. <A
href="http://www.cheesesupply.com/product_info.php/products_id/270"
target=_blank>http://www.cheesesupply.com/product_info.php/products_id/270</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A
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<DIV></DIV>It looks like some of the Beverage properties are duplicating
what should be associated with Consumer_product and Alcoholic_beverage.
<BR><BR>I would describe Beverage with very generic properties. For
example, <SPAN>"Jack Daniel's Whiskey Single Barrel 94@</SPAN>
<SPAN>750ML" would be a Consumer_product linked to "Jack Daniel's Whiskey
Single Barrel 94" that is linked to Whiskey, which is co-typed with
Beverage and Alcoholic_beverage. <BR><BR>Similarly, "Milk" would be typed
with Beverage. I could see "Skim milk" as a topic of a "Milk type"
enumerated type or go the route of adding properties to a Milk_product
type that could be co-typed within Cheese and used to describe "Mozzarella
cheese".<BR><BR>Another route would be to develop the schema so that the
consumer product "Fresh Mozzarella" would be typed with Consumer_product
and include a link to a Cheese CVT that includes properties such as
Cheese_type, Milk_source (e.g., cow, goat), etc.<BR><BR>Somehow I went
from Beverage and Whiskey to Cheese... <BR><BR>-Ed<BR><BR></SPAN>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Jeff Prucher <<A
href="mailto:jeff@metaweb.com" target=_blank>jeff@metaweb.com</A>>
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are bunch of types for various beverages in the food domain, some
of<BR>which could use a little fixing up. (Most of these were also made
by me --<BR>mea culpa!)<BR><BR>1) Beverage <<A
href="http://www.freebase.com/tools/schema/food/beverage"
target=_blank>http://www.freebase.com/tools/schema/food/beverage</A>>.
I'm<BR>wondering if this type is even necessary. The instances are a mix
of general<BR>beverage varieties ("Cocktail") and specific varieties
("Newcastle Brown<BR>Ale"), so at the very least this should be
normalized and cleaned up. And<BR>both them "manufacturer" and "place of
origin" properties seem redundant<BR>with some of the more fully-fleshed
out beverage schemas, like beer and<BR>wine. And the "color"
property is probably pointless.<BR><BR><BR>2) Whisky: This has a similar
problem as beverage, in that the instances<BR>include both distilleries
and products. I think that a simple fix would be<BR>to add a
"distillery" property (and type), and reserve the "whisky" type
for<BR>the specific whiskys (similar to the beer/brewery relationship).
There's<BR>probably a lot more that could be done with whiskies,
but for now I'd just<BR>like to clean up the current model.<BR><BR>What
do you all think?<BR><BR>Jeff
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