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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=843293419-03012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The links in my previous message have expired, so please
disregard them. I'd like to revisit this, now that most folks will be back
from the holidays, and hopefully publish it to Freebase.com soon. There
are two new types: "written work" and "illustrated work". These will be used as
"supporting types" on all manner of written and/or illustrated topics (book,
book edition, poem, short story, review, short non-fiction, play), and will
replace some of the redundant properties on these types (author, editor, poet,
playwright, illustrator, cover artist). They also provide more flexibility, and
allow (for example) an illustrator to be added to a book (in cases where every
edition of the book has the same illustrations) or a book edition (where
different editions may have different illustrations), or for an editor to be
added to a book edition, rather than a book.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=843293419-03012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The schemata are here:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2><A
href="http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/schema/book/written_work">http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/schema/book/written_work</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=843293419-03012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2><A
href="http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/schema/book/illustrated_work">http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/schema/book/illustrated_work</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=843293419-03012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Examples can be found in the topics lists for these types,
but I want to call out a few:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2><A
href="http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f8000000006e83b03">http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f8000000006e83b03</A> ("Kipling's
Science Fiction": a book with an author and an editor, and which has different
cover artists in different editions)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=843293419-03012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2><A
href="http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f8000000006e83b60">http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f8000000006e83b60</A> (The
Norton Critical Edition of "Middlemarch", which has an editor on the book
edition, but not on the book itself [this is not possible in the current
schema]).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=843293419-03012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2><A
href="http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f8000000006e83bea">http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f8000000006e83bea</A> (An
interview -- the new types will make the existing "interview", "interviewer",
and "interviewee" types unnecessary)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=843293419-03012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Please take a look around, and let me know what you
think.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=843293419-03012008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Jeff</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> data-modeling-bounces@freebase.com
[mailto:data-modeling-bounces@freebase.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jeff
Prucher<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:41 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
'Freebase data modeling mailing list'<BR><B>Cc:</B> 'For discussions about
MQL,Freebase API and apps built on Freebase'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Data-modeling] Proposed refactoring in the publishing
domain<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=828153823-19122007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I've put in the illustration model: take a look here: <A
href="http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/schema/book/illustrated_work">http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/schema/book/illustrated_work</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=828153823-19122007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I've put in two samples: one in which all editions of the
book have the same illustrator (<A
href="http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/make_way_for_ducklings">http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/make_way_for_ducklings</A>),
and one (well, two) in which there are different illustrators for different
editions of the book: <A
href="http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f8000000006df9af5">http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f8000000006df9af5</A> and
<A
href="http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f8000000006df9c6f">http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f8000000006df9c6f</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=828153823-19122007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>This will of course be deleted come next Monday, and I'll
be offline until after Christmas, but please take a look and let me know what
you think!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Jeff</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> data-modeling-bounces@freebase.com
[mailto:data-modeling-bounces@freebase.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jeff
Prucher<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 17, 2007 5:11 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
'Freebase data modeling mailing list'<BR><B>Cc:</B> 'For discussions about
MQL,Freebase API and apps built on Freebase'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Data-modeling] Proposed refactoring in the publishing
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=984400401-18122007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The cover artist thing is a good idea. I'm now
imagining a "illustratorship" type (I know, that's a lame name; I won't
really call it that) that could be used similarly to authorship, but
which could be applied to magazine issues, book editions, and books (and
maybe some other things). Enum properties would probably include
"illustrator", "cover artist", "cover design", and maybe some of the comics
values -- pencillor, colorist, inker, letterer; but this list will grow
organically. An open question would be whether the subject of an artist's
monograph would properly be in the "writer" field or "illustrator" field.
But this is tractable. I'll have to re-post the schema when sandbox
refreshes, so I'll see if I can add this to it as well.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Jeff</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> data-modeling-bounces@freebase.com
[mailto:data-modeling-bounces@freebase.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Daniel
Renfer<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:41 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
Freebase data modeling mailing list<BR><B>Cc:</B> For discussions about
MQL,Freebase API and apps built on Freebase<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Data-modeling] Proposed refactoring in the publishing
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<DIV></DIV>While this will make it slightly harder to find information for
the simple case (author of a book) I think this will make it much easier
to model the more complex types of contributions to a published
work.<BR><BR>You should consider replacing Magazine's Cover Artist with a
Cover Contributor. I'm sure there are a few other types where this could
replace multiple properties. (ie. Comic Books) <BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 12/13/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Jeff
Prucher</B> <<A href="mailto:jeff@metaweb.com">jeff@metaweb.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
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have been several requests made, over the last few months, to
allow<BR>for more flexibility of attributing authorship and other
contributions to<BR>written works, and also to add various properties to
a number of types in <BR>the publishing domain. Toward this end, I've
created a new type, "written<BR>work" that will be an included type on
all the various types that represent<BR>written works -- book, short
story, poem, short non-fiction, review, and <BR>translation.<BR><BR>The
new type is currently on sandbox. I'd appreciate it if anyone who
is<BR>interested could take a look at it and let me know what you think.
Please<BR>look before Monday evening (Pacific Time), since sandbox will
be refreshed <BR>then.<BR><A
href="http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/schema/book/written_work">http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/schema/book/written_work</A><BR><BR>I've
filled out the contents of the April 2007 issue of the Magazine of
<BR>Fantasy and Science Fiction as an example. Click the various items
in the<BR>contents property to see the type in action.<BR><A
href="http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000514f951">http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000514f951
</A><BR><BR>One feature is to treat authorship (or similar form of
creative<BR>contribution) as a compound value type which will allow for
multiple types<BR>of contribution to be recorded in the same property
and for all the <BR>disparate types of works to be listed together on
the contributors' pages.<BR>Currently, author and editor are treated as
separate properties; having a<BR>single property will allow Freebase to
reconcile more easily to other <BR>data-sources, which usually store
these in the same field. This will also<BR>allow us to record books
where the illustrator is tied to the book itself,<BR>rather to
individual editions (as in most children's picture books, but as
<BR>opposed to, say, an illustrated edition of Huckleberry Finn).<BR>See
<A
href="http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f8000000006c3521e">http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f8000000006c3521e
</A><BR>and <A
href="http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/make_way_for_ducklings">http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/make_way_for_ducklings</A>
for some further<BR>examples.<BR><BR>Another of the new type is that a
number of other properties can usefully be <BR>shared by all types of
written works, rather than being distributed onto<BR>each. These
properties are: original language, date written, copyright date,<BR>date
of first publication, and online versions. Others will probably arise,
<BR>but this seems like a good set to start with.<BR><BR>(I'm copying
the developers list in case anyone is writing an application<BR>using
any of the publishing domain types.)<BR><BR>Thanks in advance,<BR>Jeff
Prucher <BR>Type Librarian &
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