[Data-modeling] Rivalry ~ Just a base of views or type(s)?

[Iain Sproat]

I've added a few.  Searching for 'Controversy' brings up a lot of
candidates, but I wasn't too sure if controversial things are always
rivalries, so haven't typed many.  Controversy does split opinion and
creates rival groups with opposing opinions.  Does 'controversy' fall into
the definition we are using for Rivalry?  e.g. Does the Electric Dylan
Controversy <http://www.freebase.com/view/en/electric_dylan_controversy>count
as a rivalry - would the rivals be Folk music fans vs Rock n' Roll
fans?

Also when using the Rivals property it works well for 2 rivals, but doesn't
make clear distinction for more than two rivals, particularly when noting
allies and foes.
I suggest the link between Rivalry and Rival be a CVT called "Rival
relationship" which has a property for "Rival" and "Rival of" and is also
time mediated, so changing allegiances can be shown?

Iain


On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 5:08 AM, Gordon Mackenzie <gordon at metaweb.com>wrote:

> Not really coming to me today.
>
> Ancient Greece vs. Persia transformed over time to Rome vs. Persia
> (different regime)?
>
> UK vs. Russia over time to US vs. USSR to ?US vs. Russia?
>
> ~ Gordon
>
> <<< gordon at metaweb.com >>>
>
>
>
> On May 20, 2009, at 5:47 PM, Robert Cook wrote:
>
> > Can you think of more examples of this?  I'm having a hard time doing
> > so.
> >
> > On May 20, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Gordon Mackenzie wrote:
> >
> >> How about an inheritance property, as sometimes rivalries grow from
> >> an
> >> older rivalry that has subsided?
> >>
> >> US Navy vs. US Army (over air force and marines) devolved later on to
> >> US Air Force vs. US Navy (1950's over Aircraft Carriers, Marine Air
> >> units, etc.)
> >>
> >> ~ Gordon
> >>
> >> <<< gordon at metaweb.com >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 20, 2009, at 4:32 PM, Robert Cook wrote:
> >>
> >>> I took a stab at a generic rivalry type:
> >>> http://rivalries.freebase.com/view/base/rivalries/rivalry
> >>>
> >>> Instead of a CVT-mediator, I made it a full topic just to see if
> >>> that
> >>> feels better.  Indeed for many sports rivalries there seem to
> >>> already
> >>> be topics.
> >>>
> >>> The alternative would be specific versions of this schema repeated,
> >>> say, for people, companies and sports teams.
> >>>
> >>> But this is as good as place as any to start collecting real data.
> >>>
> >>> R
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On May 20, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Gordon Mackenzie wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I was looking at a entry about the high school I attended when on e
> >>>> of
> >>>> the opening sentences sparked a thought; rivalry. It was noted that
> >>>> the Petaluma High School's long-time rival was the Casa Grande High
> >>>> School... Brought back memories.
> >>>>
> >>>> All sports seem to promote rivalry... Baseball, Tennis, Football,
> >>>> etc.
> >>>> All feature dramatic historical rivalry between teams and
> >>>> individuals.
> >>>>
> >>>> Then of course, as a type it could be very generic to be used
> >>>> across
> >>>> many domains, a CVT probably. It might include date range for start
> >>>> and end of rivalry (if such things ever truly end). Maybe a
> >>>> property
> >>>> to capture notable events?
> >>>>
> >>>> There are all sorts of rivals in life: Business, the Arts,
> >>>> Exploration, Military Branches, Countries.
> >>>>
> >>>> So my thought is to create a single type that has a property for
> >>>> type
> >>>> of rivalry (commerce, sport, artistic, national, educational,
> >>>> cultural, ideological, etc, or is it better to have separate types
> >>>> for
> >>>> the various kinds rivalries?
> >>>>
> >>>> =====
> >>>>
> >>>> Note: I see that Robert created a celebrity rival property:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.sandbox-freebase.com/view/celebrities/rivalry
> >>>>
> >>>> Here are topics about it:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.sandbox-freebase.com/search?
> >>>> limit=30&start=0&query=rivalry
> >>>>
> >>>> Note the topics about specific notable rivalries
> >>>>
> >>>> ~ Gordon
> >>>>
> >>>> <<< gordon at metaweb.com >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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