[Data-modeling] TV sub-episodes

[Robert Cook]

Yes, and to particularly pedantic, segments are often made up of  
multiple scenes, and some of these segments can also be spread  
throughout an episode.  This structure often appears in sketch comedy  
shows, where multiple sketches are interleaved and joined together at  
the end (Monty Python, Upright Citizen's Brigade, etc.)  Referring to  
each thread as a "segment" or "sketch" seems right.

R

On May 18, 2009, at 10:39 AM, Jeff Prucher wrote:

> I don't think we want to model at the scene/act level. For most  
> shows, the
> data is the same: same writer, same director, same producer. It's  
> true that
> different actors will appear in different scenes, but I think that's  
> only of
> trivial interest (if at all). I'd much rather just stick to
> segments/shorts/etc. that are clearly separate entities.
>
> Jeff
>
>
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>> I would call these 'scenes' A scene is the most basic element
>> of most TV/theater productions...That's what I remember from
>> my acting days. Scenes make up an act, acts make up a
>> play/teleplay/episode.
>>
>> A notable 'scene' would be like the
>> specially-directed-by-guest-director Q. Tarantino, the night
>> drive to the tar pit with Clive Owen having a very strange
>> conversation with the dead man talking, Benicio del Toro.
>>
>>
>> Jeff Prucher wrote:
>>> This would potentially result in a denormalization of
>> sorts, since the
>>> list of people involved in a show comprising multiple
>> segments should
>>> be the union of the list of people for each segment. I think we can
>>> live with this, but it might look a bit odd to some people.
>>
>> Can delegation be used?  Although a segment is not an
>> episode, I do not think it is in any way misleading to say
>> that the Dead Parrot Sketch has a /tv/tv_episode/producer of ... .
>>
>>> I'm also not convinced that "segment" is the right term, since news
>>> programs (for example) can be organized into things called segments
>>> that are different than what I'm trying to model.
>>
>> I think that the term of art for news shorts, comedy shorts,
>> and variety shorts is the same; I don't have a problem with
>> that.  And a news segment may well have a distinct director
>> from the director of a half-hour news broadcast taken in toto.
>>
>> ~Chris
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