[Data-modeling] Proposed changes to Deity properties

[Jeff Fry]

Hehehe. That's true, eh? I kind of dread the idea of a property to track 
a religion's relationship with a deity, e.g.
Vulcan | Roman Mythology | Worshiped
Loki | Norse Mythology | Feared

I'd be happy to rename this property though. I could go back to my 
initial suggestion: "Diety Of (Religion)" ...or I'm happy for 
suggestions. I suspect there have been *many* conversations amongst data 
modeler about dos and don'ts for this sort of thing. Is there anything 
written up on this?

Jeff

Reilly Hayes wrote:
>
> Some Deitys may not be worshipped by the people who believe in them.
>
> -r
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Jeff Fry wrote:
>
>> FYI, Deity Of has been changed on production to Religion(s) That Worship
>> This Deity.
>>
>> Tom's question of whether saints and deities can share a property that
>> tracks both Vulcan's domain of influence and the things a saint is a
>> patron of is interesting. They don't currently share a common type, so
>> that would mean coming up with one or delegating a property. Given that
>> a saint's patronage currently just accepts text, there's no point in
>> delegating that. My inclination right now is to just create a Sphere(s)
>> of Influence property on Deity, with and ECT of Sphere of Influence.
>> This could be delegated to Saint at some future point, if useful. I've
>> gone ahead and set Spheres of Influence up on sandbox for review.
>>
>> One can now list that Vulcan governs Fire and Technology
>> http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/en/vulcan
>>
>> And more interestingly, this gives us views like
>> http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/religion/views/fire_gods
>>
>> Note, I've also created a reverse property on Sphere of Influence, e.g.
>> http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/en/fire
>>
>> I welcome any feedback on the model or on names of types/properties.
>>
>> Bonus can of worms: Now I kind of want to be able to see what gender my
>> fire gods are, or a view of the spheres of influence of female gods. Do
>> we add a gender topic to Deity? How about Parents, Children and
>> Siblings? If we want this sort of detail for deities it's applicable to,
>> are we better off using a cotype?
>>
>> Jeff F
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Morris wrote:
>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Jeff Fry <jfry at metaweb.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> It seems like we need to (a) give the deity_of property a less 
>>>> ambiguous
>>>> name, and possibly also (b) add a new property to capture things like
>>>> that Vulcan is a fire god -- possibly something like "Sphere(s)" or
>>>> "Domain(s)" with an ECT like "Religious Sphere".
>>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> For (b) I'll propose a new property named Sphere with an ECT of
>>>> Religious Sphere. This would enable, say, a view of fire gods across
>>>> religions.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If it can be done without warping your model too much, it would be
>>> good to be able to cover religious figures who aren't gods e.g. Patron
>>> Saint of <foo> where <foo> is either a subject (travel, lost things)
>>> or a place.
>>>
>>> Tom
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