[Data-modeling] "Mentions" and "Mentioned In"

[Alf Eaton]

I see what you mean, but I think again that your suggested types might
be based too closely on the specific examples given. I'm thinking of
"Mentions" and "Mentioned In" as being broadly applicable, which would
make creating custom types for every possible combination of
connections a bit unwieldy:

"Location mentioned in Fiction"
"Person mentioned in Fiction"
"Restaurant mentioned in Fiction"
"Beach mentioned in Fiction"
"Company mentioned in Fiction"
... etc, and then repeat all that for every possible type that the
things could be mentioned in.

It seems like having the properties attached to the broadest possible
type, and inherited from there, would make more sense.

alf

2009/2/6 Ed Laurent <spatial.db at gmail.com>:
> For these other examples, it seems you would want to keep the context as
> well as document the mention.
>
> For general mentions, your "Mentions" and "Mentioned In" as reciprocal
> properties sounds good. I'd suggest including "Written work" in your "Work
> mentioned" type (although in this case I would call it "Mentioning work" or
> "Source of mention" or...). Your "Topic mentioned" type could be included in
> various other types that defined their context. For example, "Location
> mentioned in fiction" could include "Topic mentioned" and "Location" with a
> link to "Mentioning work of fiction" (or something similar), that includes
> "Mentioning work" and "Book". The literary genre of "Fiction" would need to
> be added by hand or script afterwords though.
>
> Just some thoughts. In any case, my opinion is that these are distinct types
> that are worth modeling but should not be included as properties of "Written
> work" (which is included in "Book") because that would be too limiting for
> them. You want to include them in your more use-specific types so they need
> to stand alone.
>
> -Ed
>
> P.S. There are several "mentions" in the Aubrey-Maturin base:
> http://aubreymaturin.freebase.com/ but they don't include a general
> "Mention" type. They probably should based on this discussion.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Alf Eaton <lists at hubmed.org> wrote:
>>
>> I'm actually thinking of more than just people, though that was the
>> most obvious example. Other examples could be "proteins mentioned in
>> scientific papers", "locations mentioned in fiction", or "buildings
>> mentioned in songs", etc ...
>>
>> alf
>>
>> 2009/2/6 Ed Laurent <spatial.db at gmail.com>:
>> > I commented already in your "Mentions" discussion:
>> > http://www.freebase.com/type/schema/book/scholarly_work?domain=%2Fbook
>> >
>> > Now that I see how you are using this, I'm wondering if the
>> > "Acknowledged
>> > people" property of scholarly work would suffice if the description was
>> > broadened to include acknowledgments anywhere in the work:
>> > http://www.freebase.com/type/schema/book/scholarly_work?domain=%2Fbook
>> >
>> > -Ed
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Alf Eaton <lists at hubmed.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I needed a way to link topics to the works they were mentioned in, so
>> >> created two prototype types:
>> >>
>> >> Work-Mentioned (equivalent to Work)
>> >> <http://www.freebase.com/type/schema/user/freebass/default_domain/work>
>> >> and Topic-Mentioned (equivalent to Topic)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> <http://www.freebase.com/type/schema/user/freebass/default_domain/topic_mentioned>,
>> >>
>> >> adding "Mentions" and "Mentioned In" as reciprocal properties for those
>> >> types.
>> >>
>> >> Here's a view making use of these properties:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> <http://www.freebase.com/view/user/freebass/default_domain/views/the_characters_of_physical_law>
>> >> derived from the "Mentioned In" links shown here:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> <http://www.freebase.com/view/en/the_character_of_physical_law?domain=%2Fuser%2Ffreebass%2Fdefault_domain>
>> >>
>> >> If this makes sense, perhaps these reciprocal properties could be
>> >> added to the official "Work" and "Topic" types?
>> >>
>> >> alf
>> >>
>> >> P.S. I just noticed that there isn't an overarching "Work" type, just
>> >> "Written Work", "Book", "Film", etc. so the "Mentions" property would
>> >> have to be added to each of those, and "Mentioned In" would have to
>> >> allow those as targets.
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