[Data-modeling] Unfinished work / lost work

[Jeff Prucher]

So I've finally gotten around to trying to model completions of unfinished
work (prompted by a discussion here:
http://www.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000b8a412f).
 
I'm using a CVT to capture unfinished work/finished work/finisher: 
https://www.sandbox-freebase.com/view/media_common/completion_of_unfinished_
work
 
Let me know what you think.
 
Jeff


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[mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Prucher
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 5:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Unfinished work / lost work


I've created the "unifinished work" type
(https://www.freebase.com/view/media_common/unfinished_work), and left it as
a bucket for now: I think the co-typing should be pretty self-explanatory,
actually.  I would, however, like to find a way to model attempts to
complete these works. The model should be easy (a property on "unfinished
work" called something like "completions by other hands"), but I'm not sure
what to call the expected type.  "Completed unfinished work" would get the
point accross, although it sounds oxymoronic.
 
I also have a question about the proposed "lost work" type. Should it just
be a bucket, like "unfinished work", and expect that the instances will be
co-typed appropriately?  If so, "Cardenio" would show up in the list of
"works written" for Shakespeare, rather than in some kind of "lost works"
property. This might be fine, I just wanted to raist the question.
 
Jeff


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[mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf Of Ed Laurent
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:25 AM
To: Freebase data modeling mailing list
Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Unfinished work / lost work


How about adding a text field to the bucket to store info associated with
why the work was unfinished and/or why there is confusion over what kind of
work should be co-typed (e.g., Jeff's Fitzgerald example). That way we can
assess how to better store that information after some unfinished works have
been entered and evaluated for commonalities. While it's good to develop the
schema when the ideas are fresh, this one may benefit from some notes on how
the type is used over time. 

-Ed



On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Jeff Prucher <jeff at metaweb.com> wrote:


Could be a candidate for the Media Common domain, if it's just going to be a
bucket. There are lots of unfinished musical works, as well.  I assume that
Unfinished Work would then also be typed with whatever relevant types (like
Written Work) applied, so that you could see the creator, dates, subjects,
etc. So would "The Last Tycoon" also be typed as a Book, even though
Fizgerald never published it as such, and may not otherwise have been long
enough to even be a book?  I think that would work for Raymond Chandler's
unfinished novel "The Poodle Springs Story", so that one could assert that
Philip Marlowe was one of the characters. Otherwise, I don't see a way to
make such an assertion.

Jeff


> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf Of Faye Li
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:48 AM
> To: data-modeling at freebase.com
> Subject: [Data-modeling] Unfinished work / lost work
>
> Hi,
>
> I'd like to have a "Unfinished Work" type in the Book domain
> for capturing unfinished written works. F. Scott Fitzgerald's
> "The Last Tycoon" is an example. It's more interesting when
> another author finishes the work -- something more common
> with short stories. Other than that I can't think of any
> other property this type would have.
>
> Along the same line I'd like to have a "Lost Work" type in
> the Publishing domain to apply to written works that no
> longer exist. An example here is Shakespeare's "Love's
> Labour's Won", which is believed to be a sequel to "Love's
> Labour's Lost".
>
> An equivalent type "Lost Artwork" seems to make sense in the
> Visual Art domain as well.
>
> Anyone else interested in these types? Are they enough to be
> types in the commons, or more suitable in bases?
>
> -- Faye
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