[Data-modeling] Last (hopefully!) book remodeling proposal

[Jeff Prucher]

I reposted the schema (but haven't populated it with data) to sandbox: 
http://sandbox.freebase.com/tools/schema/book/illustrator
 
Note that I've completely removed the "illustration instance" type, and
replaced it with a slew of separate properties for cover illos and interior
illos. I kind of like your idea about making every single illustration a
separate topic (it appeals to the obsessive-compulsive in me), but I think
that until such time as we find a data source that provides this
information, or we develop a community of users who want to take on this
depth of data entry, asking for every single one of the (for example) 42
Tenniel illustrations for "Alice in Wonderland" is less useful, and more
difficult to enter, than simply saying that X edition of Alice uses the
Tenniell illos.
 
Jeff Prucher


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From: data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com
[mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf Of Ed Laurent
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 5:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Last (hopefully!) book remodeling proposal


How about changing the "Interior Illustrations by" property to "Interior
illustrations" and add another property of "Cover illustrations", both could
be an "Illustration instance" with the additional property of "Illustration
name" and "Illustration location" or some better name that describes page
numbers and covers (page = 0 or Null if Cover Illustration?). The
"Illustration role" property (e.g., cover artist) would then be unnecessary
because users could pull that from the "Cover illustration" property or from
the "Illustration location" if it is used. Currently, only cover artist and
illustrator are listed in the enumerated type of "Illustrator role".

-Ed


On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Jeff Prucher <jeff at metaweb.com> wrote:


Having heard an overwhelming lack of interest in whether or not I make this
change, I plan to make this change next week. If you suddenly decide that
you do care, drop a line before then.

Jeff


> -----Original Message-----
> From: data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com
> [mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Prucher
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:20 PM
> To: 'Freebase data modeling mailing list'
> Subject: [Data-modeling] Last (hopefully!) book remodeling proposal
>
> The final piece in the book refactoring puzzle is the
> illustrator. Since I'm already refactoring out the
> "authorship" CVT, it makes sense to factor the illustrator
> CVT back out as well. In doing so, I'm also trying to
> simplify the original model, rather than simply reverting to it.
>
> The new proposal is for a type "illustrator" with specific
> properties for each type of illustration: book edition cover,
> book edition interior illos, book illos (for picture books
> and the like where the illustrations do not vary between
> editions), magazine cover, magazine interior illos.
>
> Schema:
> http://sandbox.freebase.com/tools/schema/book/illustrator
>
> Some examples:
> Alvim Correa -- book edition cover and interiors:
> http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f8000000004e3dc86
>
> An issue of the Saturday Evening Post, with cover artist and interior
> artists:
> http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f8000000006ad4af6
>
> The Lorax, canonically illustrated by Dr. Seuss:
> http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/en/the_lorax
>
> Two things that this schema doesn't allow for, and which I'm
> hesitant to do unless there's real demand, are:
> 1) Provide instance-level data about interior illustrations
> (so that we would be able to say that Arthur Fuller
> illustrated the story "Lassie Come-Home" in the above-linked SEP)
> 2) Provide instance-level data about individual
> illustrations, period. (So that we could know, for example,
> that the title of the painting by Rockwell on the above issue
> of SEP is "'Merrie Christmas' or Muggleston Coach", or that
> the Alvim Correa illustration that graces the cover of "Brave
> New Words" is one of the interior illos from the 1906 edition
> of "La Guerre des
> Mondes")
>
> The former might be fairly straightforward, especially for
> magazines. The latter would be more difficult, and probably
> much make data-entry that much more complicated. I'll
> probably only consider doing them now if there is a great
> outcry for them.
>
> Jeff Prucher
> Type Librarian & Ontologist
> Metaweb Technologies, Inc.
>
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