[Data-modeling] Religion domain: churches => places of worship

[Robert Cook]

And this is good -- I've personally been to a Mennonite service held  
in the basement of a Lutheran church (with that service occurring  
simultaneously.)

On Jun 23, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Kirrily Robert wrote:

> The "religion" field does currently allow for multiple religions to  
> be entered.  It just doesn't recognise the distinction between  
> serial and parallel use.
>
> K.
>
> On Jun 23, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Phil Gochenour wrote:
>
>> Considering the controversy surrounding “ownership” of certain  
>> places of worship, such as the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem, I  
>> think a singular “religion” field on a place of worship might open  
>> up considerable controversy. I think some acknowledgment of the  
>> back-and-forth possession of many PoWs would be a more culturally  
>> sensitive approach.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>> On 6/23/08 11:23 AM, "Kirrily Robert" <kirrily at metaweb.com> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, well, I'm considering the main use for the place of worship  
>>> type to be something like "show me Episcopalian churches within 5  
>>> miles of this location" or "show me Catholic cathedrals in  
>>> Australia" or similar.
>>>
>>> I had considered some date fields on "place of worship" to show  
>>> when the place was used as such, particularly for buildings used  
>>> as churches that are later deconsecrated.  There might be  
>>> something to be said for a denormalisation where we have  
>>> "currently used by religion" and "used by religions over  
>>> time" (CVT) to show PoWs that change religion.  I suppose many/ 
>>> most English churches would have shifted from Roman Catholic to  
>>> Anglican in the 16th century, for example.
>>>
>>> K.
>>>
>>> On Jun 23, 2008, at 10:22 AM, Jeff Prucher wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm a bit reluctant to ask this question, but what is the  
>>>> intended use of the "religion" property on the Place of Worship  
>>>> type?  Is it to store the current religion(s) using the place of  
>>>> worship, or all religions that have ever used it, or something  
>>>> else?  The Hagia Sophia appears in the List of cathedrals and the  
>>>> List of mosques, although it is currently a museum.  Should it  
>>>> have both Eastern Orthodox Church and Islam as its religions?  If  
>>>> so, how would we distinguish sequential use by multiple religions  
>>>> from concurrent use by multiple religions?  And do we need to  
>>>> flag former places of worship in some way?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  From: data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com   [mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com 
>>>>> ] On Behalf Of Shawn   Simister
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 6:25 PM
>>>>> To: Freebase   data modeling mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Religion   domain: churches =>  
>>>>> places of worship
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like a plan. Here's what I found in terms of lists of  
>>>>> places   of worship. There's a lot of them!
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cathedrals
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hindu_temples
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Buddhist_temples
>>>>>
>>>>> Kirrily   Robert wrote:
>>>>>> Right.  Anyway I've modelled this in /religion (it seemed      
>>>>>> pretty non-controversial and I have only added properties, not  
>>>>>> changed     anything anyone might be relying on).  So we should  
>>>>>> probably go and     type the "places of worship" in your domain  
>>>>>> as "type of place of worship" in     the commons.  Then we can  
>>>>>> load up as many lists of     churches/mosques/temples/etc as we  
>>>>>> can find :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> K.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Shawn Simister wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hehe, you're probably right. Even if       I model the more  
>>>>>>> abstract connections between religions and "types of        
>>>>>>> place of worship", I would still need a religion property in  
>>>>>>> the Church       type because different churches have  
>>>>>>> different denominations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a       side note, the Wikipedia page for Place of worship <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Places_of_worship 
>>>>>>> >  is where I borrowed my "types       of place of worship"  
>>>>>>> model from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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