[Data-modeling] Religion domain: churches => places of worship

[Phil Gochenour]

Considering the controversy surrounding ³ownership² of certain places of
worship, such as the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem, I think a singular
³religion² field on a place of worship might open up considerable
controversy. I think some acknowledgment of the back-and-forth possession of
many PoWs would be a more culturally sensitive approach.

Phil


On 6/23/08 11:23 AM, "Kirrily Robert" <kirrily at metaweb.com> wrote:

> OK, well, I'm considering the main use for the place of worship type to be
> something like "show me Episcopalian churches within 5 miles of this location"
> or "show me Catholic cathedrals in Australia" or similar.
> 
> I had considered some date fields on "place of worship" to show when the place
> was used as such, particularly for buildings used as churches that are later
> deconsecrated.  There might be something to be said for a denormalisation
> where we have "currently used by religion" and "used by religions over time"
> (CVT) to show PoWs that change religion.  I suppose many/most English churches
> would have shifted from Roman Catholic to Anglican in the 16th century, for
> example.
> 
> K.
> 
> On Jun 23, 2008, at 10:22 AM, Jeff Prucher wrote:
> 
>>  
>>  
>> I'm a bit reluctant to ask this question, but what is the intended use of the
>> "religion" property on the Place of Worship type?  Is it to store the current
>> religion(s) using the place of worship, or all religions that have ever used
>> it, or something else?  The Hagia Sophia appears in the List of cathedrals
>> and the List of mosques, although it is currently a museum.  Should it have
>> both Eastern Orthodox Church and Islam as its religions?  If so, how would we
>> distinguish sequential use by multiple religions from concurrent use by
>> multiple religions?  And do we need to flag former places of worship in some
>> way?
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Jeff
>>  
>> 
>>  
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>>>   From: data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com
>>> [mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf Of Shawn   Simister
>>> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 6:25 PM
>>> To: Freebase   data modeling mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Religion   domain: churches => places of
>>> worship
>>> 
>>>   
>>> Sounds like a plan. Here's what I found in terms of lists of places   of
>>> worship. There's a lot of them!
>>> 
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cathedrals
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hindu_temples
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Buddhist_temples
>>> 
>>> Kirrily   Robert wrote:
>>>> Right.  Anyway I've modelled this in /religion (it seemed     pretty
>>>> non-controversial and I have only added properties, not changed
>>>> anything anyone might be relying on).  So we should probably go and
>>>> type the "places of worship" in your domain as "type of place of worship"
>>>> in     the commons.  Then we can load up as many lists of
>>>> churches/mosques/temples/etc as we can find :)
>>>> 
>>>>     
>>>> K.
>>>>     
>>>> 
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>>>>     
>>>> On Jun 20, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Shawn Simister wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>     
>>>>>       
>>>>> Hehe, you're probably right. Even if       I model the more abstract
>>>>> connections between religions and "types of       place of worship", I
>>>>> would still need a religion property in the Church       type because
>>>>> different churches have different denominations.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As a       side note, the Wikipedia page for Place of worship
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Places_of_worship>  is where I borrowed my
>>>>> "types       of place of worship" model from.
>>>> 
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