[Data-modeling] Tweaks to the food domain

[Jeff Prucher]

I'll count this as one vote for keep the type as a bucket, but move the
properties elsewhere (which is my inclination, too).  If I hear nothing else
about beverages, I'll start moving the properties around (or killing them
outright).  I'm going to skip "liquid" for now -- there's been some
discussion about materials science stuff, and I think that general liquids
might have more to do with that. Plus whatever properties liquids have is
going to vary at different level than we're talking about for beverages --
i.e., different whiskies will have different specific gravities and whatnot.
 
Jeff


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[mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf Of Ed Laurent
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 4:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Tweaks to the food domain


Cheese and crackers that's a good question!!

No properties come to mind besides those that refer to texture, color and
taste but I'm not sure how those should be modeled. Beverage should probably
be co-typed with a generic Liquid type if you don't mind that kind of
overkill. 

-Ed


On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Jeff Prucher <jeff at metaweb.com> wrote:


Do you think that "beverage" should have any properties at all, or should it
just be a bucket to stick classes of things you can drink (e.g., whiskey,
milk, water, fruit juice)?
 
Jeff
 
PS -- Mmmm. Whiskey cheese.
http://www.cheesesupply.com/product_info.php/products_id/270


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[mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf Of Ed Laurent
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Tweaks to the food domain


It looks like some of the Beverage properties are duplicating what should be
associated with Consumer_product and Alcoholic_beverage. 

I would describe Beverage with very generic properties. For example, "Jack
Daniel's Whiskey Single Barrel 94@ 750ML" would be a Consumer_product linked
to "Jack Daniel's Whiskey Single Barrel 94" that is linked to Whiskey, which
is co-typed with Beverage and Alcoholic_beverage. 

Similarly, "Milk" would be typed with Beverage. I could see "Skim milk" as a
topic of a "Milk type" enumerated type or go the route of adding properties
to a Milk_product type that could be co-typed within Cheese and used to
describe "Mozzarella cheese".

Another route would be to develop the schema so that the consumer product
"Fresh Mozzarella" would be typed with Consumer_product and include a link
to a Cheese CVT that includes properties such as Cheese_type, Milk_source
(e.g., cow, goat), etc.

Somehow I went from Beverage and Whiskey to Cheese... 

-Ed


On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Jeff Prucher <jeff at metaweb.com> wrote:


There are bunch of types for various beverages in the food domain, some of
which could use a little fixing up. (Most of these were also made by me --
mea culpa!)

1) Beverage <http://www.freebase.com/tools/schema/food/beverage>. I'm
wondering if this type is even necessary. The instances are a mix of general
beverage varieties ("Cocktail") and specific varieties ("Newcastle Brown
Ale"), so at the very least this should be normalized and cleaned up. And
both them "manufacturer" and "place of origin" properties seem redundant
with some of the more fully-fleshed out beverage schemas, like beer and
wine.  And the "color" property is probably pointless.


2) Whisky: This has a similar problem as beverage, in that the instances
include both distilleries and products. I think that a simple fix would be
to add a "distillery" property (and type), and reserve the "whisky" type for
the specific whiskys (similar to the beer/brewery relationship).  There's
probably a lot more that could be done with whiskies, but for now I'd just
like to clean up the current model.

What do you all think?

Jeff Prucher


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