[Data-modeling] Events

[Faye Li]

I can say that at least the convention in the art world for "labeling" 
is to use names used at the time of artwork creation to identify places 
and periods. Relative or not, there is a singular identification for a 
place given a particular point in time.

There's no need for retroactive re-naming of art objects where empires 
fall and national boundaries change. For example, a frieze from Syria in 
500 BCE will be labeled to be from the Persian Achaemenid Empire because 
that was what the place was at the time, even though it no longer 
exists. And the current location, likely stated in the form of "Present 
day Iran", will only be mentioned to provide a reference point, not to 
serve as primary means of nationality identification.

So, regardless of Kosovo's declaration of independence, artwork created 
there while under Serbia rule will continue to be labeled as from 
Serbia, although a second line might now appear to indicate the present 
day location as Kosovo.

-- Faye


Ed Laurent wrote:
> Keep in mind that "place" is different than "location". In other 
> words, a point, line or area in space is not the same thing as the 
> _name_ someone gives that point, line or area at a specified point or 
> period in time, which may differ and not necessarily completely 
> overlap with the name someone else gives that point, line or area at 
> the same or different point or period in time. In addition to the 
> difference between "location" and "place", Einstein showed us that 
> both space and time are relative and that the physical theory of 
> relativity can be extended into the psychological realm of perception. 
> I think these are the issues that most people have been circling in 
> this discussion.
>
> -Ed
>
> On Feb 18, 2008 2:19 PM, Kirrily Robert <kirrily at metaweb.com 
> <mailto:kirrily at metaweb.com>> wrote:
>
>     OK, so the gist I'm getting here is that people feel that the
>     following properties of events have some relevance:
>
>     * start/end date/time
>     * location
>     * includes/included by
>
>     Nobody has yet said they feel that "people involved" is
>     fundamentally relevant.
>
>     How about "historical periods"?  Do we more or less agree that
>     that kind of long-running event is still just an event?  If so,
>     can I propose the refactoring of all the historical periods
>     currently listed in /time/historic_period into plain old
>     /time/events?  That would also make "historic events" into
>     ordinary events.  I think I'm OK with that; the distinction
>     between a "historic" event and a not-historic one is kind of
>     meaningless anyway.
>
>     K.
>
>     --
>     Kirrily Robert
>     Freebase Community Director
>     kirrily at metaweb.com <mailto:kirrily at metaweb.com>
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