[Data-modeling] Capitalism (was Consumer product type)
Jeff Prucher
jeff at metaweb.com
Tue Feb 12 01:15:30 UTC 2008
I've promoted the consumer products type to the /business domain:
http://www.freebase.com/view/schema/business/consumer_product
This type will work best if it's used as an included type on a variety of
different types. We're in the process of selecting existing types to apply
this to, and I would encourage people to use it in their private domains,
and also to speak up if they have any use cases where they need this type to
be included or co-typed with an existing one.
Jeff
> -----Original Message-----
> From: data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com
> [mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Prucher
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:25 PM
> To: 'Freebase data modeling mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Capitalism (was Consumer product type)
>
> My inclination for now would be to use a more basic model,
> and expand it if we get to a place where we want to take on
> something like managing comprehensive inventory and price
> data for a large number of retailers.
> Should we get to that point, I think the more stubby type
> that we proposed could be expanded fairly easily into
> something more like your model.
>
> Jeff
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com
> > [mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf Of Eric Hanson
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:27 PM
> > To: Freebase data modeling mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Capitalism (was Consumer product type)
> >
> > There is a great potential here for Freebase to become a powerful
> > guide for consumers to make more educated decisions about what they
> > buy and where they buy it, both locally and online. If
> Freebase can
> > live up to the grandeur of its vision (and I think it can),
> this type,
> > and other types in this domain, could define the structure of the
> > future of consumer information and capitalism.
> >
> > I'm most excited about the idea of online and brick-and-mortar
> > retailers uploading their inventories cross-referenced with
> topics in
> > Freebase's product type. It could turn into a vast and incredibly
> > useful tool for empowering consumers to make better purchasing
> > decisions, supporting local retailers, price hunting, supporting
> > companies and products who are in line with their values, and much
> > more. Imagine it being as easy to search the inventories of local
> > retailers as it is to search online retailers (ala Froogle).
> >
> > We should spend more time here, and make sure we're getting
> it right.
> > I'd like to see this domain flushed out more completely to
> make sure
> > all the pieces fit together.
> >
> > The idea of including product purchase locations is great,
> but there
> > should be a layer of indirection here, to include what store is
> > selling it, how much it costs, how many are in stock, etc. This
> > should be possible for both online and brick-and-mortar retailers.
> >
> > I've created types for Retail Inventory Item and Online Inventory
> > Item, which have properties for Seller, Price and for
> Online inventory
> > item, a purchase link, which would go to the specific
> product's page
> > on a website.
> >
> > http://freebase.com/view/user/erichanson/default_domain/online
> > _inventory_item
> > http://freebase.com/view/user/erichanson/default_domain/retail
> > _inventory_item
> >
> > I had to invent the Price type, which seemed surprising --
> maybe I'm
> > missing something. Just included a float for ammount and a
> Currency.
> >
> > http://freebase.com/view/user/erichanson/default_domain/price
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > Robert Cook wrote:
> > > If you gather information on products, people would like to
> > know where
> > > to purchase it. These could be added to a more general link type
> > > (such as the one on /common/topic) but it seemed to have
> > more utility
> > > as a more specific property.
> > >
> > > Even more importantly, this points to how users of freebase
> > could more
> > > easily make money from their applications.
> > >
> > > R
> > >
> > > On Jan 30, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Shawn Simister wrote:
> > >
> > >> The new type looks good to me but I'm curious what the
> > intended use
> > >> case for the purchase_links property is?
> > >>
> > >> Shawn
> > >>
> > >> Jeff Prucher wrote:
> > >>> If there are no more comments on this type, I'll promote
> > it to the
> > >>> business domain at the end of the week.
> > >>>
> > >>> Jeff
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com
> > >>>> [mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf
> Of Kavitha
> > >>>> Srinivas
> > >>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 12:11 PM
> > >>>> To: Freebase data modeling mailing list
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Consumer product type
> (was Modeling
> > >>>> question)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Yes, then that makes sense.
> > >>>> Kavitha
> > >>>> On Jan 28, 2008, at 1:49 PM, Jeff Prucher wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Yes, that's exactly what we were thinking.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Jeff
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com
> > >>>>>> [mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf
> > Of Kavitha
> > >>>>>> Srinivas
> > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:10 PM
> > >>>>>> To: Freebase data modeling mailing list
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Consumer product type
> > (was Modeling
> > >>>>>> question)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> This looks great. Just to clarify your point about
> > not wanting
> > >>>>>> to encode an association with a brand or company type, do you
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> mean that
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> there might be a more specific link between a company and
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> a product,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> say Apple Inc. has ComputerModels MacBookPro, but that the
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> MacBookPro
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> will be typed additionally as a consumer_product?
> > >>>>>> Thanks!
> > >>>>>> Kavitha
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Jan 24, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Jeff Prucher wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Following up on a recent discussion on the
> data-modelling and
> > >>>>>>> developers lists (threads begin here:
> > >>>>>>> http://lists.freebase.com/pipermail/developers/2008-January/
> > >>>>>>> 001156.html
> > >>>>>>> and here:
> > >>>>>>>
> > http://lists.freebase.com/pipermail/data-modeling/2008-January/
> > >>>>>>> 000250.html),
> > >>>>>>> we're proposing a new type to be used for consumer
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>> products. This
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>> type is a fairly simple type, with only three properties,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> all of which
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> expect the type
> > >>>>>>> "webpage": "official website", "external reviews",
> > and "purchase
> > >>>>>>> links". The type would most likely be used as an
> > included type
> > >>>>>>> on types that are designed for more specific products, and
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>> can be used
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>> for everything from board games, to computer software, to
> > >>>>>>> digital cameras (and more -- examples in the earlier
> > discussion
> > >>>>>>> included pharmaceuticals, books, and cars).
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> We decided against trying to encode an association
> > with a brand,
> > >>>>>>> manufacturer, or other company type since the
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>> relationships between
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>> products, brands, and companies can vary greatly between
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>> different
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>> types of products, and we want to enable communities and
> > >>>>>>> interest groups to maintain a more precise structure.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The type is published in my private domain, with some
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> examples of how
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> it might be used:
> > >>>>>>>
> http://www.freebase.com/view/schema/user/jeff/default_domain/
> > >>>>>>> consumer_produc
> > >>>>>>> t
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Comments welcome.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Jeff Prucher
> > >>>>>>> Type Librarian & Ontologist
> > >>>>>>> Metaweb Technologies, Inc.
> > >>>>>>>
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