[Data-modeling] Capitalism (was Consumer product type)

Jeff Prucher jeff at metaweb.com
Tue Feb 5 22:25:07 UTC 2008 

My inclination for now would be to use a more basic model, and expand it if
we get to a place where we want to take on something like managing
comprehensive inventory and price data for a large number of retailers.
Should we get to that point, I think the more stubby type that we proposed
could be expanded fairly easily into something more like your model.

Jeff 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com 
> [mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf Of Eric Hanson
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:27 PM
> To: Freebase data modeling mailing list
> Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Capitalism (was Consumer product type)
> 
> There is a great potential here for Freebase to become a 
> powerful guide for consumers to make more educated decisions 
> about what they buy and where they buy it, both locally and 
> online.  If Freebase can live up to the grandeur of its 
> vision (and I think it can), this type, and other types in 
> this domain, could define the structure of the future of 
> consumer information and capitalism.
> 
> I'm most excited about the idea of online and 
> brick-and-mortar retailers uploading their inventories 
> cross-referenced with topics in Freebase's product type.  It 
> could turn into a vast and incredibly useful tool for 
> empowering consumers to make better purchasing decisions, 
> supporting local retailers, price hunting, supporting 
> companies and products who are in line with their values, and 
> much more.  Imagine it being as easy to search the 
> inventories of local retailers as it is to search online 
> retailers (ala Froogle).
> 
> We should spend more time here, and make sure we're getting it right. 
> I'd like to see this domain flushed out more completely to 
> make sure all the pieces fit together.
> 
> The idea of including product purchase locations is great, 
> but there should be a layer of indirection here, to include 
> what store is selling it, how much it costs, how many are in 
> stock, etc.  This should be possible for both online and 
> brick-and-mortar retailers.
> 
> I've created types for Retail Inventory Item and Online 
> Inventory Item, which have properties for Seller, Price and 
> for Online inventory item, a purchase link, which would go to 
> the specific product's page on a website.
> 
> http://freebase.com/view/user/erichanson/default_domain/online
> _inventory_item
> http://freebase.com/view/user/erichanson/default_domain/retail
> _inventory_item
> 
> I had to invent the Price type, which seemed surprising -- 
> maybe I'm missing something.  Just included a float for 
> ammount and a Currency.
> 
> http://freebase.com/view/user/erichanson/default_domain/price
> 
> Eric
> 
> Robert Cook wrote:
> > If you gather information on products, people would like to 
> know where 
> > to purchase it.  These could be added to a more general link type 
> > (such as the one on /common/topic) but it seemed to have 
> more utility 
> > as a more specific property.
> > 
> > Even more importantly, this points to how users of freebase 
> could more 
> > easily make money from their applications.
> > 
> > R
> > 
> > On Jan 30, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Shawn Simister wrote:
> > 
> >> The new type looks good to me but I'm curious what the 
> intended use 
> >> case for the purchase_links property is?
> >>
> >> Shawn
> >>
> >> Jeff Prucher wrote:
> >>> If there are no more comments on this type, I'll promote 
> it to the 
> >>> business domain at the end of the week.
> >>>
> >>> Jeff
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com
> >>>> [mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf Of Kavitha 
> >>>> Srinivas
> >>>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 12:11 PM
> >>>> To: Freebase data modeling mailing list
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Consumer product type (was Modeling 
> >>>> question)
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, then that makes sense.
> >>>> Kavitha
> >>>> On Jan 28, 2008, at 1:49 PM, Jeff Prucher wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>     
> >>>>> Yes, that's exactly what we were thinking.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jeff
> >>>>>
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com
> >>>>>> [mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf 
> Of Kavitha 
> >>>>>> Srinivas
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:10 PM
> >>>>>> To: Freebase data modeling mailing list
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Consumer product type 
> (was Modeling
> >>>>>> question)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This looks great.  Just to clarify your point about 
> not wanting 
> >>>>>> to encode an association with a brand or company type, do you
> >>>>>>         
> >>>> mean that
> >>>>     
> >>>>>> there might be a more specific link between a company and
> >>>>>>         
> >>>> a product,
> >>>>     
> >>>>>> say Apple Inc. has ComputerModels MacBookPro, but that the
> >>>>>>         
> >>>> MacBookPro
> >>>>     
> >>>>>> will be typed additionally as a consumer_product?
> >>>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>> Kavitha
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jan 24, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Jeff Prucher wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>> Following up on a recent discussion on the data-modelling and 
> >>>>>>> developers lists (threads begin here:
> >>>>>>> http://lists.freebase.com/pipermail/developers/2008-January/
> >>>>>>> 001156.html
> >>>>>>> and here:
> >>>>>>> 
> http://lists.freebase.com/pipermail/data-modeling/2008-January/
> >>>>>>> 000250.html),
> >>>>>>> we're proposing a new type to be used for consumer
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>> products.  This
> >>>>     
> >>>>>>> type is a fairly simple type, with only three properties,
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>> all of which
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>> expect the type
> >>>>>>> "webpage": "official website", "external reviews", 
> and "purchase 
> >>>>>>> links". The type would most likely be used as an 
> included type 
> >>>>>>> on types that are designed for more specific products, and
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>> can be used
> >>>>     
> >>>>>>> for everything from board games, to computer software, to 
> >>>>>>> digital cameras (and more -- examples in the earlier 
> discussion 
> >>>>>>> included pharmaceuticals, books, and cars).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We decided against trying to encode an association 
> with a brand, 
> >>>>>>> manufacturer, or other company type since the
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>> relationships between
> >>>>     
> >>>>>>> products, brands, and companies can vary greatly between
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>> different
> >>>>     
> >>>>>>> types of products, and we want to enable communities and 
> >>>>>>> interest groups to maintain a more precise structure.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The type is published in my private domain, with some
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>> examples of how
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>> it might be used:
> >>>>>>> http://www.freebase.com/view/schema/user/jeff/default_domain/
> >>>>>>> consumer_produc
> >>>>>>> t
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Comments welcome.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jeff Prucher
> >>>>>>> Type Librarian & Ontologist
> >>>>>>> Metaweb Technologies, Inc.
> >>>>>>>
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