[Data-modeling] Unfinished work / lost work

[Faye Harris]

I think a "bucket type" model for "lost work" would be just fine. Would 
like to see a property for "cause of loss", although I'm not sure what 
the expected type should be.

If a new type were to be created (e.g. "lost work cause"), it'd allow 
for queries like "find all works lost by fire". On the other hand, if it 
were left as raw text, more specific info (though less semantically 
parse-able) can be entered, e.g. "Lost on board the Titantic when it 
sank", "Damaged beyond repair when recovered from theft by Inspector 
Clouseau".

-- Faye


Jeff Prucher wrote:
> I've created the "unifinished work" type 
> (https://www.freebase.com/view/media_common/unfinished_work), and left 
> it as a bucket for now: I think the co-typing should be pretty 
> self-explanatory, actually.  I would, however, like to find a way to 
> model attempts to complete these works. The model should be easy (a 
> property on "unfinished work" called something like "completions by 
> other hands"), but I'm not sure what to call the expected type.  
> "Completed unfinished work" would get the point accross, although it 
> sounds oxymoronic.
>  
> I also have a question about the proposed "lost work" type. Should it 
> just be a bucket, like "unfinished work", and expect that the 
> instances will be co-typed appropriately?  If so, "Cardenio" would 
> show up in the list of "works written" for Shakespeare, rather than in 
> some kind of "lost works" property. This might be fine, I just wanted 
> to raist the question.
>  
> Jeff
>
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>     *From:* data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com
>     [mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] *On Behalf Of *Ed Laurent
>     *Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:25 AM
>     *To:* Freebase data modeling mailing list
>     *Subject:* Re: [Data-modeling] Unfinished work / lost work
>
>     How about adding a text field to the bucket to store info
>     associated with why the work was unfinished and/or why there is
>     confusion over what kind of work should be co-typed (e.g., Jeff's
>     Fitzgerald example). That way we can assess how to better store
>     that information after some unfinished works have been entered and
>     evaluated for commonalities. While it's good to develop the schema
>     when the ideas are fresh, this one may benefit from some notes on
>     how the type is used over time.
>
>     -Ed
>
>
>     On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Jeff Prucher <jeff at metaweb.com
>     <mailto:jeff at metaweb.com>> wrote:
>
>         Could be a candidate for the Media Common domain, if it's just
>         going to be a
>         bucket. There are lots of unfinished musical works, as well.
>          I assume that
>         Unfinished Work would then also be typed with whatever
>         relevant types (like
>         Written Work) applied, so that you could see the creator,
>         dates, subjects,
>         etc. So would "The Last Tycoon" also be typed as a Book, even
>         though
>         Fizgerald never published it as such, and may not otherwise
>         have been long
>         enough to even be a book?  I think that would work for Raymond
>         Chandler's
>         unfinished novel "The Poodle Springs Story", so that one could
>         assert that
>         Philip Marlowe was one of the characters. Otherwise, I don't
>         see a way to
>         make such an assertion.
>
>         Jeff
>
>         > -----Original Message-----
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>         <mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com>
>         > [mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com
>         <mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com>] On Behalf Of Faye Li
>         > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:48 AM
>         > To: data-modeling at freebase.com
>         <mailto:data-modeling at freebase.com>
>         > Subject: [Data-modeling] Unfinished work / lost work
>         >
>         > Hi,
>         >
>         > I'd like to have a "Unfinished Work" type in the Book domain
>         > for capturing unfinished written works. F. Scott Fitzgerald's
>         > "The Last Tycoon" is an example. It's more interesting when
>         > another author finishes the work -- something more common
>         > with short stories. Other than that I can't think of any
>         > other property this type would have.
>         >
>         > Along the same line I'd like to have a "Lost Work" type in
>         > the Publishing domain to apply to written works that no
>         > longer exist. An example here is Shakespeare's "Love's
>         > Labour's Won", which is believed to be a sequel to "Love's
>         > Labour's Lost".
>         >
>         > An equivalent type "Lost Artwork" seems to make sense in the
>         > Visual Art domain as well.
>         >
>         > Anyone else interested in these types? Are they enough to be
>         > types in the commons, or more suitable in bases?
>         >
>         > -- Faye
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