[Data-modeling] influence nodes are not always people

[Faye Harris]

+1. Influences can come from books, bands, artistic/social movements, 
philosophies, etc.

This proposal first surfaced back in Oct. without any resolution. Glad 
to see it back.

-- Faye


Vishal Talwar wrote:
> I don't see why inanimate objects (or concepts or creative works) 
> couldn't serve as influence nodes. This would allow programming 
> languages, computer games, and a whole bunch of things to influence 
> other things.
>
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Dan Milbrath <dmilbrath at metaweb.com 
> <mailto:dmilbrath at metaweb.com>> wrote:
>
>     I guess I question the practicality of taking everything down to
>     the people-centric level.
>
>     Is it useful to know that the Orange revolution was influenced by
>     the Rose revolution? Is that a question you might want to ask
>     without knowing the people involved? Same holds for musical
>     groups. I think so.
>
>     I guess if people here are generally are opposed to this, we could
>     model a new property on musical group that allows us to make this
>     kind of assertion (influenced/influenced by), but its a shame
>     because at that point we're unable to get all of a band's
>     influences via a single property query - we'll likely resort to
>     only showing what bands influenced what other bands -- and miss
>     the fact that a band may have been influenced by an individual not
>     in music, a movement, en event, a city, etc...
>
>
>
>
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>     From: "Iain Sproat" <iainsproat at gmail.com
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>
>
>     -1
>     I think person should remain as an included type.
>     Inanimate objects and events cannot be influenced, only the people
>     who create or participate in them.
>
>
>     In your example it is actually Andy Warhol influenced Lou Reed et
>     al of The Velvet Underground, who then presumably influenced Anton
>     Fier et al of The Feelies.
>
>
>     As another example Ukraine's Orange revolution is often stated as
>     being influenced by Georgia's Rose revolution , but in reality it
>     is Viktor Yushenko and his followers who were influenced by the
>     likes of Givi Targamadze and others.
>
>
>     It no doubt makes querying slightly more complicated, but taking
>     the people-centric view correctly attributes influences to the
>     people involved.
>
>
>     On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Dan Milbrath <
>     dmilbrath at metaweb.com <mailto:dmilbrath at metaweb.com> > wrote:
>
>
>     see: http://www.freebase.com/type/schema/influence/influence_node
>
>     It seems like we've gone to some length name the influence node
>     type in a pretty general way, so it strikes me as odd that we've
>     asserted that people/person is an included type on it.
>
>     Why not use influence node on other things like musical artists,
>     political events or art movements. For instance, I might want to
>     assert that Andy Warhol influenced Velvet Underground who
>     influenced the Feelies.
>
>     What do people think about removing person as an included type?
>
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