[Data-modeling] influence nodes are not always people

[Vishal Talwar]

I don't see why inanimate objects (or concepts or creative works) couldn't
serve as influence nodes. This would allow programming languages, computer
games, and a whole bunch of things to influence other things.

On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Dan Milbrath <dmilbrath at metaweb.com> wrote:

> I guess I question the practicality of taking everything down to the
> people-centric level.
>
> Is it useful to know that the Orange revolution was influenced by the Rose
> revolution? Is that a question you might want to ask without knowing the
> people involved? Same holds for musical groups. I think so.
>
> I guess if people here are generally are opposed to this, we could model a
> new property on musical group that allows us to make this kind of assertion
> (influenced/influenced by), but its a shame because at that point we're
> unable to get all of a band's influences via a single property query - we'll
> likely resort to only showing what bands influenced what other bands -- and
> miss the fact that a band may have been influenced by an individual not in
> music, a movement, en event, a city, etc...
>
>
>
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> From: "Iain Sproat" <iainsproat at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] influence nodes are not always people
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>
> -1
> I think person should remain as an included type.
> Inanimate objects and events cannot be influenced, only the people who
> create or participate in them.
>
>
> In your example it is actually Andy Warhol influenced Lou Reed et al of The
> Velvet Underground, who then presumably influenced Anton Fier et al of The
> Feelies.
>
>
> As another example Ukraine's Orange revolution is often stated as being
> influenced by Georgia's Rose revolution , but in reality it is Viktor
> Yushenko and his followers who were influenced by the likes of Givi
> Targamadze and others.
>
>
> It no doubt makes querying slightly more complicated, but taking the
> people-centric view correctly attributes influences to the people involved.
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Dan Milbrath < dmilbrath at metaweb.com >
> wrote:
>
>
> see: http://www.freebase.com/type/schema/influence/influence_node
>
> It seems like we've gone to some length name the influence node type in a
> pretty general way, so it strikes me as odd that we've asserted that
> people/person is an included type on it.
>
> Why not use influence node on other things like musical artists, political
> events or art movements. For instance, I might want to assert that Andy
> Warhol influenced Velvet Underground who influenced the Feelies.
>
> What do people think about removing person as an included type?
>
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