[Data-modeling] influence nodes are not always people

[Robert Cook]

Hmm.  I'm not sure I agree that inanimate objects can't influence  
other things.  I'm sure that Stonehenge has influenced architects, yet  
there is no person (a creator) that we could point to.   Indeed, some  
works are collective and a single person can't really be described as  
the influence.

I will agree that it would be hard to influence an inanimate object --  
I think there your argument holds up.  People or groups of people  
(such as a musical group) are influenced and that may affect their  
work, but the work itself can't be influenced on its own.

R

On Dec 13, 2008, at 2:26 AM, Iain Sproat wrote:

> -1
> I think person should remain as an included type.
> Inanimate objects and events cannot be influenced, only the people  
> who create or participate in them.
>
> In your example it is actually Andy Warhol  influenced Lou Reed  et  
> al of The Velvet Underground, who then presumably influenced Anton  
> Fier  et al of The Feelies.
>
> As another example Ukraine's Orange revolution is often stated as  
> being influenced by Georgia's Rose revolution , but in reality it is  
> Viktor Yushenko and his followers who were influenced by the likes  
> of Givi Targamadze and others.
>
> It no doubt makes querying slightly more complicated, but taking the  
> people-centric view correctly attributes influences to the people  
> involved.
>
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Dan Milbrath  
> <dmilbrath at metaweb.com> wrote:
> see: http://www.freebase.com/type/schema/influence/influence_node
>
> It seems like we've gone to some length name the influence node type  
> in a pretty general way, so it strikes me as odd that we've asserted  
> that people/person is an included type on it.
>
> Why not use influence node on other things like musical artists,  
> political events or art movements. For instance, I might want to  
> assert that Andy Warhol influenced Velvet Underground who influenced  
> the Feelies.
>
> What do people think about removing person as an included type?
>
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