[Data-modeling] Add page number(s) to "Quotation"

Wed Dec 3 23:47:38 UTC 2008

You could create your own type, but delegate the relevant properties in from
the quotation commons type.  This would feed your quotes into the quotations
commons, but allow you to add properties specific to your needs.

Jeff

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From: data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com
[mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf Of Ed Laurent
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Add page number(s) to "Quotation"

Nope, I actually want to store quotes from published sources. I've talked
with several editors who saw no legal issues with quoting a couple sentences
(let me know if this is not the case and I'll stop). I want to do this
because the quote gives more context to a bibliographic reference than the
citation. It is also useful when a publication does not have an abstract.

-Ed

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Tim Kientzle <tim at metaweb.com> wrote:

Ed,

Sounds like what you're looking for might be better described as a
"citation"
or a "bibliographic reference."  Agree that there's overlap between
that and
the informal use of the term "quotation," but given the different
usages, it
may make sense to distinguish them.

Tim Kientzle

On Dec 3, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Ed Laurent wrote:

> Um, I'm interpreting your responses as that I should create my own
> quotation type. Most of the sources I want to quote (e.g., journal
> articles, technical reports) are only published once.
>
> I agree that page number isn't appropriate for the cases you suggest
> but it is for mine and I try to use common types whenever possible.
> There have been other situations where I've argued the other side of
> properties needing to apply to all instances of types so this
> conversation has taken a somewhat amusing turn.
>
> For now I guess I'll just model my own quotation type and try to
> keep it similar to the common one in case there are suggestions for
> merging them later.
>
> Thanks!
> -Ed
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Jeff Prucher <jeff at metaweb.com> wrote:
> I agree -- page number isn't really applicable here. Technically,
> since we
> do have distinct types for book editions, it would be possible to
> link the
> source to a book edition, rather than to a book, but this seems like
> a bad
> idea. For one, it would be very hard to simply find all the quotes
> from a
> single book, since they might be spread across multiple editions.
> But for
> non-book works (plays, poems, essays, articles, etc.), a page number
> would
> be completely meaningless, since we do not have first-class topics
> for every
> appearance of these types of works.
>
> The reason we used "author" as the name of the property is because
> we're
> looking for the person who authored what was said (whether it was
> written or
> spoken impromptu), rather than the person who said it.  Although, it
> must be
> said, this is still a problem with movie and TV quotes, so maybe it
> doesn't
> really make a difference in that regard.
>
> Jeff
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com
> > [mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf Of
> > Kirrily Robert
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:54 PM
> > To: Freebase data modeling mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Add page number(s) to "Quotation"
> >
> > Wouldn't page number be dependent on edition?  On what page
> > does Alice's "Curiouser and curiouser!" appear, for example?
> >
> > K.
> >
> > On Dec 3, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Ed Laurent wrote:
> >
> > > I'm thinking of using the "Quotation" type to store quotes from
> > > published works but need a page number property because
> > page numbers
> > > are often required when citing quotations. It appears that the
> page
> > > number of the quote would need to be added as a
> > disabiguator so that
> > > this data can be entered when the "Quotation" type is linked as a
> > > property of another type. Does this seem reasonable?
> > >
> > > I also see that "Author" (linked to "Quotations" property of
> > > "Person") is a property of "Quotation", and I'm assuming
> > that is for
> > > instances when the quotation is not from a published source.
> > > Otherwise, it is adding denormalization. If this is the
> > case, wouldn't
> > > another name be more appropriate than "Author" (e.g.,
> > "Quoted person")
> > > to distinguish it from "Author" of quoted publications?
> > >
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