[Data-modeling] Add page number(s) to "Quotation"

[Ed Laurent]

Nope, I actually want to store quotes from published sources. I've talked
with several editors who saw no legal issues with quoting a couple sentences
(let me know if this is not the case and I'll stop). I want to do this
because the quote gives more context to a bibliographic reference than the
citation. It is also useful when a publication does not have an abstract.

-Ed


On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Tim Kientzle <tim at metaweb.com> wrote:

> Ed,
>
> Sounds like what you're looking for might be better described as a
> "citation"
> or a "bibliographic reference."  Agree that there's overlap between
> that and
> the informal use of the term "quotation," but given the different
> usages, it
> may make sense to distinguish them.
>
> Tim Kientzle
>
> On Dec 3, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Ed Laurent wrote:
>
> > Um, I'm interpreting your responses as that I should create my own
> > quotation type. Most of the sources I want to quote (e.g., journal
> > articles, technical reports) are only published once.
> >
> > I agree that page number isn't appropriate for the cases you suggest
> > but it is for mine and I try to use common types whenever possible.
> > There have been other situations where I've argued the other side of
> > properties needing to apply to all instances of types so this
> > conversation has taken a somewhat amusing turn.
> >
> > For now I guess I'll just model my own quotation type and try to
> > keep it similar to the common one in case there are suggestions for
> > merging them later.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > -Ed
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Jeff Prucher <jeff at metaweb.com> wrote:
> > I agree -- page number isn't really applicable here. Technically,
> > since we
> > do have distinct types for book editions, it would be possible to
> > link the
> > source to a book edition, rather than to a book, but this seems like
> > a bad
> > idea. For one, it would be very hard to simply find all the quotes
> > from a
> > single book, since they might be spread across multiple editions.
> > But for
> > non-book works (plays, poems, essays, articles, etc.), a page number
> > would
> > be completely meaningless, since we do not have first-class topics
> > for every
> > appearance of these types of works.
> >
> > The reason we used "author" as the name of the property is because
> > we're
> > looking for the person who authored what was said (whether it was
> > written or
> > spoken impromptu), rather than the person who said it.  Although, it
> > must be
> > said, this is still a problem with movie and TV quotes, so maybe it
> > doesn't
> > really make a difference in that regard.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com
> > > [mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Kirrily Robert
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 1:54 PM
> > > To: Freebase data modeling mailing list
> > > Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Add page number(s) to "Quotation"
> > >
> > > Wouldn't page number be dependent on edition?  On what page
> > > does Alice's "Curiouser and curiouser!" appear, for example?
> > >
> > > K.
> > >
> > > On Dec 3, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Ed Laurent wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm thinking of using the "Quotation" type to store quotes from
> > > > published works but need a page number property because
> > > page numbers
> > > > are often required when citing quotations. It appears that the
> > page
> > > > number of the quote would need to be added as a
> > > disabiguator so that
> > > > this data can be entered when the "Quotation" type is linked as a
> > > > property of another type. Does this seem reasonable?
> > > >
> > > > I also see that "Author" (linked to "Quotations" property of
> > > > "Person") is a property of "Quotation", and I'm assuming
> > > that is for
> > > > instances when the quotation is not from a published source.
> > > > Otherwise, it is adding denormalization. If this is the
> > > case, wouldn't
> > > > another name be more appropriate than "Author" (e.g.,
> > > "Quoted person")
> > > > to distinguish it from "Author" of quoted publications?
> > > >
> > > > -Ed _______________________________________________
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