[Data-modeling] Non-profits, once more with feeling
Dan Ancona
da at vizbang.com
Sun Aug 17 20:00:42 UTC 2008
The New Progressive Coalition did a little modeling for US politically
focused orgs (mostly nonprofits and mission-driven for-profits). Not
sure how helpful this is but it might give you some ideas...
http://www.newprogressivecoalition.com/network/organization/browse
Glad to see all the new data in politics. I'm working on a couple of
systems that I'm hoping will interoperate with that data and it seems
like it's going a great direction. The UI is looking sharp too!
Dan
Faye Li wrote:
> I like it (or did, until sandbox got blown away).
>
> -- Faye
>
>
> Jeff Prucher wrote:
>> Here's a revised model:
>> http://tinyurl.com/6emfhs
>>
>> Note that there's an error in the schema, which is that the "designation"
>> property is non-unique. I'll fix that before putting anything on
>> production, of course.
>>
>> Note also that "registered with" is non-unique because in some countries,
>> orgs have to register at the state/provincial level, rather than the
>> national.
>>
>> Let me know what you think.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com
>>> [mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Prucher
>>> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 3:02 PM
>>> To: 'Freebase data modeling mailing list'
>>> Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Non-profits, once more with feeling
>>>
>>> The UK and Canada definitely have their own classification
>>> systems; I imagine most places do. It occurs to me that we
>>> could do what they did in the business domain for "industry"
>>>
>> -- there's one type ("Industry") that includes both free-form > user-entered
>> (or Wikipedia-extracted) topics like "Oil" and
>>
>>> also the NAICS industry hierarchy. And I think there are
>>> plans to load other industrial taxonomies. So we could have a
>>> "Sector" type that included NTEE-CC and other standard
>>> taxonomies as well as free-form topics.
>>> The problem with this, though, is that as Tim points out, the
>>> NTEE stuff is really non-profit specific but there might be
>>> other types of organizations that have a sector.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com
>>>> [mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf Of Kirrily
>>>> Robert
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 2:01 PM
>>>> To: Freebase data modeling mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Non-profits, once more with feeling
>>>>
>>>> NTEE-CC seems to be US-only. Do we have any thoughts on making it
>>>> internationally applicable?
>>>>
>>>> K.
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 8, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Tim Kientzle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I was indeed thinking of putting "sector" on "organization", but
>>>>> that's clearly inappropriate for existing taxonomies with
>>>>>
>>>> restricted
>>>>
>>>>> application. It would make sense for the NTEE-CC property to be
>>>>> associated with the "non-profit" tag, although I would
>>>>>
>>>> suggest being
>>>>
>>>>> more specific with the property name: "NTEE-CC sector"
>>>>>
>>> rather than
>>>
>>>>> just "non-profit sector."
>>>>>
>>>>> Whether it makes sense to separate "endowment" properties
>>>>>
>>> depends a
>>>
>>>>> lot on the data at the other end of that link. If there are
>>>>> endowments that fund a variety of types of entities, then putting
>>>>> "endowment" on an "Endowed Entity" type does simplify
>>>>>
>>> cross-domain
>>>
>>>>> queries. I can't say I know enough about endowments to be sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2008, at 11:34 AM, Jeff Prucher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I like Faye's suggestion, too, and I'm looking into other
>>>>>>
>>>> countries
>>>>
>>>>>> to see what kind of patterns there are. And thanks for
>>>>>>
>>>> catching the
>>>>
>>>>>> duplicate "geographic scope" property on organization.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In terms of sector, are you proposing that it go on
>>>>>>
>>>> "organization",
>>>>
>>>>>> instead?
>>>>>> It's sort of the organizational equivalent to "industry",
>>>>>>
>>>> so I could
>>>>
>>>>>> imagine it going there. (That said, taxonomies like the
>>>>>>
>>>> NTEE-CC are
>>>>
>>>>>> explicitly for non-profits, so linking to them from another type
>>>>>> might be semantically weird, assuming of course that they have
>>>>>> compatible licenses.) In terms of endowments, what type
>>>>>>
>>> would you
>>>
>>>>>> propose putting that property on?
>>>>>> "Endowed
>>>>>> entity"? I guess I don't see how the having an
>>>>>>
>>>> "endowment" property
>>>>
>>>>>> on the "College/University" type precludes an
>>>>>>
>>> "endowment" property
>>>
>>>>>> being on "Non-profit organization".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf Of Tim
>>>>>>> Kientzle
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 6:09 PM
>>>>>>> To: Freebase data modeling mailing list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Non-profits, once more with feeling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Faye makes a good point. It seems quite possible that the only
>>>>>>> property of "non-profit" would be the tax framework under
>>>>>>>
>>>> which it's
>>>>
>>>>>>> recognized (e.g., "US Government 501(c)(3)"). Every
>>>>>>>
>>>> other property
>>>>
>>>>>>> of your proposed "non-profit" type applies to things
>>>>>>>
>>>> other than non-
>>>>
>>>>>>> profits: Harvard has an endowment, the Organization
>>>>>>>
>>> type already
>>>
>>>>>>> has a "Geographic scope," and there are philanthropic and/or
>>>>>>> charitable organizations that are not non-profit but to
>>>>>>>
>>>> which your
>>>>
>>>>>>> "non-profit sector" classification would still apply.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Faye Li wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Technically a non-profit is just an organization that's not
>>>>>>>> commercially motivated. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Legally though, the term has very specific definitions
>>>>>>>>
>>>> in the US,
>>>>
>>>>>>>> state-defined definitions, actually, which means a CA-based
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> nonprofit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> may very well not qualify as a "non-proft" under say,
>>>>>>>>
>>>> Montana state
>>>>
>>>>>>>> law. To sort through the state-to-state discrepancy the
>>>>>>>>
>>>> IRS has the
>>>>
>>>>>>>> final say on nationally recognized non-profit
>>>>>>>>
>>>> organizations through
>>>>
>>>>>>>> section 501(c) codes. There are over a million
>>>>>>>> (!) of them registered with the IRS today. Even 1% of that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> data will
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> make a nice chunk in Freebase. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But that's besides the point, which is: a non-profit has a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> privileged
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> status which has to be qualified by the system that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> recognizes it as a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> non-profit, much as a protected site needs to specify the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> park system
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> under which it is protected. Without that data, or at least
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a property
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to input that data, the claim of being a non-profit
>>>>>>>>
>>>> becomes...well,
>>>>
>>>>>>>> unqualified, and legally weak.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kirrily, I'll have to check out your charities domain. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Faye
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kirrily Robert wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not all non-profits take donations. However, I have
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> been modeling
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> charities in a domain of my own (/user/skud/charities) and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've got
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> properties for religious affiliation as well as geographical
>>>>>>>>> focus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> K.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Alexander Marks wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How about a Religious Affiliation property? Applies to any
>>>>>>>>>> organization, I guess, but seems especially relevant for
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> those that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> take donations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Al
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Jeff Prucher" <jeff at metaweb.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Freebase data modeling mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>> <data-modeling at freebase.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 9:24:29 PM (GMT) Europe/London
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Data-modeling] Non-profits, once more with feeling
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I sent a note about this a couple weeks ago, and received no
>>>>>>>>>> responses. I'm figuring that either things are slow
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> because it's
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> summer (in the Northern Hemisphere anyway) or that nobody
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cares much
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> about this schema one way or another. Just in case it's
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the former,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm reposting my non-profit organization schema to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sandbox; if it's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for the latter reason, I'll go ahead and upload the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> schema at my
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> leisure. :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> https://sandbox.freebase.com/type/view/organization/non_profit_organ
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ization
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's pretty basic; it includes the types Organization
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> (to get the
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> board members and parent/child organizations, among other
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> things),
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and Employer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jeff Prucher
>>>>>>>>>> Type Librarian & Ontologist
>>>>>>>>>> Metaweb Technologies, Inc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>> Kirrily Robert
>>>> Freebase Community Director
>>>> kirrily at metaweb.com
>>>> http://freebase.com/
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