[Data-modeling] Non-profits, once more with feeling

Fri Aug 8 21:01:16 UTC 2008

NTEE-CC seems to be US-only.  Do we have any thoughts on making it  
internationally applicable?

K.

On Aug 8, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Tim Kientzle wrote:

> I was indeed thinking of putting "sector" on "organization", but
> that's clearly inappropriate for existing taxonomies with restricted
> application.  It would make sense for the NTEE-CC property to be
> associated with the "non-profit" tag, although I would suggest being
> more specific with the property name: "NTEE-CC sector" rather than
> just "non-profit sector."
>
> Whether it makes sense to separate "endowment" properties depends a
> lot on the data at the other end of that link.  If there are
> endowments that fund a variety of types of entities, then putting
> "endowment" on an "Endowed Entity" type does simplify cross-domain
> queries.  I can't say I know enough about endowments to be sure.
>
> Tim
>
>
> On Aug 8, 2008, at 11:34 AM, Jeff Prucher wrote:
>
>> I like Faye's suggestion, too, and I'm looking into other countries
>> to see
>> what kind of patterns there are.  And thanks for catching the
>> duplicate
>> "geographic scope" property on organization.
>>
>> In terms of sector, are you proposing that it go on "organization",
>> instead?
>> It's sort of the organizational equivalent to "industry", so I could
>> imagine
>> it going there.  (That said, taxonomies like the NTEE-CC are
>> explicitly for
>> non-profits, so linking to them from another type might be
>> semantically
>> weird, assuming of course that they have compatible licenses.) In
>> terms of
>> endowments, what type would you propose putting that property on?
>> "Endowed
>> entity"?  I guess I don't see how the having an "endowment" property
>> on the
>> "College/University" type precludes an "endowment" property being on
>> "Non-profit organization".
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com
>>> [mailto:data-modeling-bounces at freebase.com] On Behalf Of Tim  
>>> Kientzle
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 6:09 PM
>>> To: Freebase data modeling mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [Data-modeling] Non-profits, once more with feeling
>>>
>>> Faye makes a good point.  It seems quite possible that the
>>> only property of "non-profit" would be the tax framework
>>> under which it's recognized (e.g., "US Government
>>> 501(c)(3)").  Every other property of your proposed
>>> "non-profit" type applies to things other than non-
>>> profits:  Harvard has an endowment, the Organization type
>>> already has a "Geographic scope," and there are philanthropic
>>> and/or charitable organizations that are not non-profit but
>>> to which your "non-profit sector" classification would still apply.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Faye Li wrote:
>>>
>>>> Technically a non-profit is just an organization that's not
>>>> commercially motivated. :)
>>>>
>>>> Legally though, the term has very specific definitions in the US,
>>>> state-defined definitions, actually, which means a CA-based
>>> nonprofit
>>>> may very well not qualify as a "non-proft" under say, Montana state
>>>> law. To sort through the state-to-state discrepancy the IRS has the
>>>> final say on nationally recognized non-profit organizations through
>>>> section 501(c) codes. There are over a million
>>>> (!) of them registered with the IRS today. Even 1% of that
>>> data will
>>>> make a nice chunk in Freebase. :)
>>>>
>>>> But that's besides the point, which is: a non-profit has a
>>> privileged
>>>> status which has to be qualified by the system that
>>> recognizes it as a
>>>> non-profit, much as a protected site needs to specify the
>>> park system
>>>> under which it is protected. Without that data, or at least
>>> a property
>>>> to input that data, the claim of being a non-profit becomes...well,
>>>> unqualified, and legally weak.
>>>>
>>>> Kirrily, I'll have to check out your charities domain. :)
>>>>
>>>> -- Faye
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kirrily Robert wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Not all non-profits take donations.  However, I have been modeling
>>>>> charities in a domain of my own (/user/skud/charities) and
>>> I've got
>>>>> properties for religious affiliation as well as geographical  
>>>>> focus.
>>>>>
>>>>> K.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Alexander Marks wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> How about a Religious Affiliation property? Applies to any
>>>>>> organization, I guess, but seems especially relevant for
>>> those that
>>>>>> take donations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Al
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Jeff Prucher" <jeff at metaweb.com>
>>>>>> To: "Freebase data modeling mailing list"
>>>>>> <data-modeling at freebase.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 9:24:29 PM (GMT) Europe/London
>>>>>> Subject: [Data-modeling] Non-profits, once more with feeling
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I sent a note about this a couple weeks ago, and received no
>>>>>> responses. I'm figuring that either things are slow because it's
>>>>>> summer (in the Northern Hemisphere anyway) or that nobody
>>> cares much
>>>>>> about this schema one way or another.  Just in case it's
>>> the former,
>>>>>> I'm reposting my non-profit organization schema to
>>> sandbox; if it's
>>>>>> for the latter reason, I'll go ahead and upload the schema at my
>>>>>> leisure. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> https://sandbox.freebase.com/type/view/organization/non_profit_organ
>>>>>> ization
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's pretty basic; it includes the types Organization (to get the
>>>>>> board members and parent/child organizations, among other
>>> things),
>>>>>> and Employer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff Prucher
>>>>>> Type Librarian & Ontologist
>>>>>> Metaweb Technologies, Inc.
>>>>>>
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